The Five Kages and all the Jinchuurikis vs The Akatsuki

[Mr.Beastie]

can u explain to me what guy and kakashi have to do with this? please that answer really entices me. Are you really trying to make excuses for sasori when he changes bodies and hearts? he was beat by an old woman and sakura, who most people say is weak and needs to go.

chiyo had all the info there was on sasori! chiyo knew how to counter every tach sasori had.

 

[Taiketsu Yagami]

can u explain to me what guy and kakashi have to do with this? please that answer really entices me. Are you really trying to make excuses for sasori when he changes bodies and hearts? he was beat by an old woman and sakura, who most people say is weak and needs to go.

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diedra really didnt beat Garra he had to sacrafice a lot of his power to protect his people in a fight like this where there are no random things to protect Garra would beat him down. Sasori was beat by an old woman and sakura, kisame was being held up by Guy so i think his strength isnt even close to the Kage level. kakuzu had what three lives taken out by a younger naruto in one hit? and when did pain beat naruto, i could have sworn in the last manga i saw naruto and not pain alive lol

I was answering to that part. U said u don't consider Guy on Kage Level. Chiyo taught Sasori how to use puppets. Im sure she knew his weaknesses

 

[damoney8888]

thank you someone with some sense. oh and by the way no homo but i love you too. naruto lost to nagato because the fight ended when he was pinned to the ground. if nagato were fighting to kill the battle was over and nagato won. who knows, maybe he was even holding back to not kill naruto. sasori lost on purpose as previously stated. kakuzu took on kakashi and 2 other chuunin level ninja at once, and then naruto. deidara used strategy to beat gaara, cant blame deidara for knowing gaara's weakness.

kakuzu fought ino and choji who when you look back at it did nothing and i mean nothing so stop making excuses for that guy he got beat down so did hidan that was the point of that fight they took down Asuma and shikamura and naruto took them down with their best naruto with power and shikamuru with brains. Naruto used one move and used it twice to knock him out. and u really cant use diedra fight cause the odds would never happen like that in a fight like this. He had the element of surprise and overall planning for garra and he got lucky cause garra finally saved his people instead of himself. And nagato wasnt fighting to kill or at least incapacitate? look what he did to everyone you say knowing someones weakness the whole akataski are ego maniacs and that is what got pain in trouble because he took to long talking. He had naruto and lost it because he turned into the fox you cant say he had naruto because in the end he lost cause of his cockyness

 

[damoney8888]

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I was answering to that part. U said u don't consider Guy on Kage Level. Chiyo taught Sasori how to use puppets. Im sure she knew his weaknesses

chiyo hadnt seen sasori in years and was surprised and the lengths his powers went I doubt she knew his weakness

 

[Futur3Cha0s]

kakuzu fought ino and choji who when you look back at it did nothing and i mean nothing so stop making excuses for that guy he got beat down so did hidan that was the point of that fight they took down Asuma and shikamura and naruto took them down with their best naruto with power and shikamuru with brains. Naruto used one move and used it twice to knock him out. and u really cant use diedra fight cause the odds would never happen like that in a fight like this. He had the element of surprise and overall planning for garra and he got lucky cause garra finally saved his people instead of himself. And nagato wasnt fighting to kill or at least incapacitate? look what he did to everyone you say knowing someones weakness the whole akataski are ego maniacs and that is what got pain in trouble because he took to long talking. He had naruto and lost it because he turned into the fox you cant say he had naruto because in the end he lost cause of his cockyness

hmm, a stubborn person how did i not see that one coming? kakuzu arguably beat kakashi. diedara beat gaara in desert which kind of evens the playing field (gaara at advantage and disadvantage on location). nagato fought to kill everyone in konoha except for naruto because he didn't want to kill him or the nine tails would have been lost to him. talking about nagato being cocky? the point is that nagato didn't fight to kill if he did naruto was dead when he was pinned down. naruto got pinned down dead right there on the spot before hinata comes in gets "killed" and the fox is released. and wasting time? what was he supposed to do walk out of the village with a still conscious naruto over his shoulder? hinata can come in then and still get killed and then the fox is released anyway. nagato just had the decency to explain why he destroyed everything naruto loves. i really dont see how you proved your point of view with anything you said since everything you said is disproved by manga.

 

[Sarutobi Dosu]

Kankuro is better than Sasori

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Gaara being a Kage is better than his brother. I'd say that Sasori is weaker than at least Gaara based on that, but Kankuro did know all of Sasori's secretes.

 

[damoney8888]

hmm, a stubborn person how did i not see that one coming? kakuzu arguably beat kakashi. diedara beat gaara in desert which kind of evens the playing field (gaara at advantage and disadvantage on location). nagato fought to kill everyone in konoha except for naruto because he didn't want to kill him or the nine tails would have been lost to him. talking about nagato being cocky? the point is that nagato didn't fight to kill if he did naruto was dead when he was pinned down. naruto got pinned down dead right there on the spot before hinata comes in gets "killed" and the fox is released.

ok you can say if naruto had the intention to kill too things would be different. All your arguments come to if hinata didnt do this, if he was going for the kill. and arguably he beat kakashi? did he? no so argument out the window there. Againa he had to use all his power to protect the cillage just like tsunade did there was no advantage for garra and diedra was in the air and could fly on clay that kills that disadvantage thing right there for you

 

[Futur3Cha0s]

ok you can say if naruto had the intention to kill too things would be different. All your arguments come to if hinata didnt do this, if he was going for the kill. and arguably he beat kakashi? did he? no so argument out the window there. Againa he had to use all his power to protect the cillage just like tsunade did there was no advantage for garra and diedra was in the air and could fly on clay that kills that disadvantage thing right there for you

really? im starting to think its impossible to get through to you. naruto was fighting to kill nagato from the moment jiraiya got killed, naruto himself said that. i dont care about what hinata did i was just trying to prove a point about you saying nagato wasted time. naruto lost, end of story. i dont care about what hinata or the fox or his dad did, when naruto was pinned down he was dead end of battle, nagato wins. kakashi stopped fighting so yes kakuzu arguably beat kakashi. i dont know who would have won if they battled it out im just saying its arguable. gaara was in the desert! surrounded by sand, what he uses. if you give gaara an excuse to lose like being in his village, in the middle of his element, then fine do that. but nothing proves that gaara would have won that battle, but everything proves that deidara would have, because he did.

 

[damoney8888]

really? im starting to think its impossible to get through to you. naruto was fighting to kill nagato from the moment jiraiya got killed, naruto himself said that. i dont care about what hinata did i was just trying to prove a point about you saying nagato wasted time. naruto lost, end of story. kakashi stopped fighting so yes kakuzu arguably beat kakashi. i dont know who would have won if they battled it out im just saying its arguable. gaara was in the desert! surrounded by sand, what he uses. if you give gaara an excuse to lose like being in his village, in the middle of his element, then fine do that. but nothing proves that gaara would have won that battle, but everything proves that deidara would have, because he did.

end of story? naruto won dude. Im not trying to start a beef just proving my points againsts yours. And naruto has never tried to kill anyone so dont say he tried to kill nagato when he is the one of proficy and he knows he has to fight without killing. Its kind of a premise behind his fighting style. Kankuzu lost to right? ok so story over there again. yes garra was in the desert but diedrea was in the sky which is his advantage so those cross each other out so tell me how garra having no time to prepare or having to protect his people makes it even between them? and diedra killed himself to try to beat someone and still lost lol dude couldnt think himself out of a paper bag without sasori as he proved being with tobi and sacraficing himself for what...... nothing. all those ataski people had the one up on the leaf each time and how many leaf people are dead and how many akataski are dead?

 

[Mr.Beastie]

Kankuro is better than Sasori

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Gaara being a Kage is better than his brother. I'd say that Sasori is weaker than at least Gaara based on that, but Kankuro did know all of Sasori's secretes.

sasori didnt have his 100 puppets and he didnt have his 3rd kazekage puppet

 

[Futur3Cha0s]

end of story? naruto won dude. Im not trying to start a beef just proving my points againsts yours. And naruto has never tried to kill anyone so dont say he tried to kill nagato when he is the one of proficy and he knows he has to fight without killing. Its kind of a premise behind his fighting style. Kankuzu lost to right? ok so story over there again. yes garra was in the desert but diedrea was in the sky which is his advantage so those cross each other out so tell me how garra having no time to prepare or having to protect his people makes it even between them? and diedra killed himself to try to beat someone and still lost lol dude couldnt think himself out of a paper bag without sasori as he proved being with tobi and sacraficing himself for what...... nothing. all those ataski people had the one up on the leaf each time and how many leaf people are dead and how many akataski are dead?

wow, i have to hand it to you when you get your mind set you never budge. however, that is both a good and bad trait. naruto was trying to kill up until the moment he met the real nagato. if you give gaara an excuse to lose it makes since that nagato can also have an excuse to lose, he wasn't fighting to kill. no beef necessary, i dont know who wins this all out battle i said that in my first post. im just trying to prove that the akatsuki are indeed strong because it sounded to me like you said they were weak, if that wasnt your stance my bad. oh and the one up on the leaf? more like a huge advantage, the akatsuki were way more powerful (agreeing with you). but if you think about it none of the akatsuki were beaten by one person or by a straight up fight with someone. there was always someone else who helped, or there was a strategy beforehand (hidan and kakuzu which is similar to deidara vs gaara). so if you think about it gaara's excuse to lose is also hidan's and kakuzu's since they got ambushed and their opponents already had a strategy set and they had no time to prepare.

 

[Mr.Beastie]

end of story? naruto won dude. Im not trying to start a beef just proving my points againsts yours. And naruto has never tried to kill anyone so dont say he tried to kill nagato when he is the one of proficy and he knows he has to fight without killing. Its kind of a premise behind his fighting style. Kankuzu lost to right? ok so story over there again. yes garra was in the desert but diedrea was in the sky which is his advantage so those cross each other out so tell me how garra having no time to prepare or having to protect his people makes it even between them? and diedra killed himself to try to beat someone and still lost lol dude couldnt think himself out of a paper bag without sasori as he proved being with tobi and sacraficing himself for what...... nothing. all those ataski people had the one up on the leaf each time and how many leaf people are dead and how many akataski are dead?

garra can fly too. what does having to not kill have anything to do with him being the prophecy. minato killed people and he was said to be the prophecy. yo do you not remember nagato reviving all the konoha ninja. you know im done you win i am too tired to continue.

 

[damoney8888]

garra can fly too. what does having to not kill have anything to do with him being the prophecy. minato killed people and he was said to be the prophecy. yo do you not remember nagato reviving all the konoha ninja. you know im done you win i am too tired to continue.

the whole point of the propechy is killing breads more killing and he has to not kill in order for that to happen so their isnt an eye for an eye. and minato obviously wasnt the child of prophecy and that was proven by the raikage. and dude you got way to worked up about this and if this two-three post exchange between us got you too tired you need better stamina lol

 

[Reborn]

Sometimes killing is neccisary I mean even Naruto's killed a couple people and he's supposed to be the prophecy child.

 

[damoney8888]

wow, i have to hand it to you when you get your mind set you never budge. however, that is both a good and bad trait. naruto was trying to kill up until the moment he met the real nagato. if you give gaara an excuse to lose it makes since that nagato can also have an excuse to lose, he wasn't fighting to kill. no beef necessary, i dont know who wins this all out battle i said that in my first post. im just trying to prove that the akatsuki are indeed strong because it sounded to me like you said they were weak, if that wasnt your stance my bad. oh and the one up on the leaf? more like a huge advantage, the akatsuki were way more powerful (agreeing with you). but if you think about it none of the akatsuki were beaten by one person or by a straight up fight with someone. there was always someone else who helped, or there was a strategy beforehand (hidan and kakuzu which is similar to deidara vs gaara). so if you think about it gaara's excuse to lose is also hidan's and kakuzu's since they got ambushed and their opponents already had a strategy set and they had no time to prepare.

ok yeah did make good points and honestly the fights werent really set up well to compare them to each other. And I wasnt saying akatsuki was weak cause they would more than likely have, if you number ranked them, more better ninja (bad wording) but i think people like deidara, kakuzu, and sasori were just the weakest of the bunch kind of like all the jinkuri's who couldnt control their bujii's and tsunada and mii would probably be out of their element versus the likes of itachi, pain, kisami

 

[Morteus]

Sometimes killing is neccisary I mean even Naruto's killed a couple people and he's supposed to be the prophecy child.

true, Naruto killed Kakuzu, (Kakashi did the final blow but he was a goner because of the Rasen Shurikens Poison) so Naruto HAS killed.

 

[Morteus]

Well, Deidara defeated Gaara but only after losing his left arm, and Gaara kept protecting the villagers from ´D´s bombs. What would have happened If Gaara could have focused on Deidara without worrying about the villagers.

Kakuzu fought Yamato, Kakashi, Narutom, Ino and Choji. Kakuzu almost captured Naruto after N failed to land the blow, If they hadnt interfered... would Kakuzu had injured Naruto badly and killed the rest of em?

And Pain DID defeat Naruto, If Naruto hadnt transformed into the fox.... he would have been drained down to unconsciousness and taken away if it wasnt for Hinata. Pain NEEDED Naruto alive so he did hold back.

 

[Guildmage]

uhhh well it depends on which team strikes first......

Tailed beasts= Tailed beast bomb barrage (IMAGINE THAT)
Mizukage= Let's melt this b!tches
Tsuchikage= many vs one abilities still not known but can surely turn enemies into dust
Raikage= can handle enemies with ease thanks to his speed but not many specially with Susanoo protecting akatsuki or pain repelling him........
Tsunade= Healer
Gaara= Sand Tsunami but still not fast enough
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Now let's analyze the other side

Deidara= C4 instant kills enemies while susanoo and pain's barrier protect the other akatsukis, NOTICE THAT maybe mizukage's mist can melt the C4's
Sasori= Poison mist
Itachi= Susanoo and seals everybody
Pain= Chibaku tensei.... I'm that from this more than the half of the enemies will be taken down......... Chou shinra tensei.... I'm sure may end the fight
Hidan can get blood from sasori's puppets weapons and start his rituals one by one
Sasuke= Kirin, but I doubt it will be able to take down that many enemies

This depends on who attacks first....
key players= Mizukage, Tsuchikage, Deidara, Itachi, Pain

PERSONALLY I GO WITH AKATSUKI

 

[damoney8888]

Well, Deidara defeated Gaara but only after losing his left arm, and Gaara kept protecting the villagers from ´D´s bombs. What would have happened If Gaara could have focused on Deidara without worrying about the villagers.

Kakuzu fought Yamato, Kakashi, Narutom, Ino and Choji. Kakuzu almost captured Naruto after N failed to land the blow, If they hadnt interfered... would Kakuzu had injured Naruto badly and killed the rest of em?

And Pain DID defeat Naruto, If Naruto hadnt transformed into the fox.... he would have been drained down to unconsciousness and taken away if it wasnt for Hinata. Pain NEEDED Naruto alive so he did hold back.

Ok not going to argue who won between pain and naruto but remember the fox is part of him so you can say if he didnt transform cause he always does its an ace in the hole which is used a lot so its not random luck that it happened.

and in the kakuzu fight, all yamato did was protect kakashi and naruto once each, and ino and choji did nothing it was kakashi fighting him first with the assist from shikamaru's plan then naruto came in

 

[Pian456]

team badass aka Akatsuki beacause they can clearly take on the jinchuurikis no problem and the top akatsuki members like madara/pien/itachi/ and Kisame can take on the Kages while the other members toy with the jinchuurijis lol