The Final Villian we all missed. How he's been hiding right under our "noses"

[Oksus]

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the real final villain

 

[Uchicha Macho]

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Sasuke will be greater than Jubi with his tenju/Sojobo susano!!

 

[Gyakusetsu]

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Nice work. I have a few questions related to how the So6P and the Juubi would fit into this. Does this assume that the Sage was also under Sojobo's influence? If we assume that the Sage wrote the tablet and instructed tailed beast to search for the true path, then isn't there a contradiction at work? The Juubi had a very negative reaction when he saw Naruto. The tailed beasts react negatively at the thought of the Juubi being revived. The plan Infinite Tsukuyomi is dependent on the Juubi being revived. So if the Juubi is the protector against Sojobo then being combined is the worst mistake the protector could make. For Sojobo to deceive both the Juubi by making him resist the attempts to separate the tailed beasts and also deceive the tailed beasts by making them want to resist becoming the Juubi seems counterintuitive.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

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If we assume that the Sage wrote the tablet

Well to this I would say it's still unclear who wrote the tablet or if it was even written by one person. Most people would say it was the Sage and this could be, and probably is true, but because it is riddled with inconsistencies it is hard to tell. It speaks about two halves working together to become whole, then tells an Uchiha how killing their friends will unlock the MS, it's just doesn't seem like thoughts coming from the same person, but we will see.

Does this assume that the Sage was also under Sojobo's influence?

Like I said in theory, I believe that Sojobo is that Sage's father. Now whether the Sage knew who his father was or not I don't know, but let's assume he did. It would seem natural that Sojobo would have some influence over his son whether it be directly (through the Tengu's mastery of illusion) or just because of the nature of the relationship as father and son. King Sojobo was said to have a human pupil named Ushiwaka who he trained in order to see him go out and cause more wars (although the pupil was unaware of this). This could parallel quite well with Sojobo and the Sage, with the Sage being Ushiwaka.

Again, it is still unclear just how much influence Sojobo had over his son, but one thing I think is apparent is that he had no influence on the Sage in the later part of his life, namely, when we see him talking to the Bijuu. Looking at that conversation, it is obvious he lived a life of regret, I assume this to be because he sought "peace through power" as his father and elder son had (remember the elder son is the Uchiha ancestor who's powers are directly related to Sojobo so it would make sense that their ideals are similar). This is also why he chooses his younger son on his death bed, since he had tried the elder's and failed.

The one thing you brought up that I just don't know the answer too is the Bijuu's fear of a fully revived Juubi. The answer I can come up at the moment is the Moon's Eye plan. Like I said in the theory, I believe Project Tsukuyomi to be Sojobo's plan and remember that it is something that requires a full revived Juubi. Perhaps the Sage knew his father's plan and if that is the case, "a fully revived Juubi will signal the end of this world" seems to make a little more sense. The Juubi's power in Sojobo's hands would signal the end of the world. Also, don't forget the Sage told the Bijuu that they would be together again. This is something he seemingly said with confidence and without fear, almost like it was good thing. But hold on, he also said the Juubi's revival would mark the end of the world (as stated through Hachibi)...so which is it?

Well...its both.

The Nine Tailed Beasts were once one being in the form of the Juubi. This as I've theorized is basically the personification of Nature. So when all is said and done the Nine tailed beasts must be set free and put back together to restore true balance (balance is not splitting up the nine tailed beasts between the villages, this is "fake" balance). The Sage knew this, hence, "you will all become one again some day." If it is done right, through Naruto this is true.

Now the other side of this, "the Juubi's revival will signal the end of the world" is also true, if Naruto is not able to make peace with the Juubi and restore balance. This is where Sojobo wins. For if the revival is used for Project Tsukuyomi, it will signal the end of the world.

Was not planning to type that much, but I just got carried away. Hope I was able to cover everything.

 

[damon hunt]

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awesome theory man one of the best ive read

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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@TYG the Tablet was created by the Sage

 

[Senju Bean]

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Lol. Well, not exactly. I don't think there is a "cycle of love" or at least never one I heard mention; there is only an absence of the "cycle of hatred". I think without the hatred you naturally have love.



Look at Madara says here..



"The action of two opposing forces created everything in nature.."

Many people wrote that off as the Sage splitting the Juubi into his two sons, but "created everything in nature" makes me think otherwise. How was the creation of the two sons responsible for creating "everything in nature"...it wasn't. The opposing forces he is talking about are Sojobo and The God Tree who existed in the same pillar, the Tree. So if you look at it this way, with Sojobo and the Tree (Juubi) being the same thing at one time, then the fruit (being Sobjo's will) existence starts to make a little more sense. The fruit is simply Sojobo trying to break free, which he can only do by getting some one to eat the fruit. Much like our sinister serpent in the story of Adam and Eve.

So they existed as one pillar? So does that mean that the "Tree" is the manisfestation of both combined and that the mobile Juubi is the other opposing force? In that case, what about the current tree? How did Sojobo get into the mix again? Did it happen via Obito? Makes sense, Obito had to be the Jin of the Juubi so that Sojobo can do his work and recombine with the pillar, with his will being the stronger half. I always thought it was weird how the "final form" can only happen after the Juubi finds a host. But it makes sense now.

I see the point you're making but I have to disagree, simply because of the first thing you said. "After the fruit was eaten the Juubi went on a rampage." You see the problem with this? What you're saying is that the essentially the "final villain" of the story, whom you are saying is the Juubi, needed people to steal the fruit that was specifically said not to be touched in order to then take on his role as "final villain", otherwise, the Tree would still be living in peace no? This final needs to have a plan, not just be reacting to something. So the differences in our ideas is that you're saying the "final villain" (the Juubi) wanted no one to touch the fruit while I'm saying the final villain (Sojobo) wanted people to touch the fruit. With my theory, an evil is already in place without the need to motivated by theft, which again, would seem to go against was Kishi has been writing.

Another point I would like to bring up about the Juubi. What do we know about it? It was said to be the Progenitor, it created the world, it carried mountains, split oceans, etc. The Juubi is basically the personification of Nature, for these are things that Nature does, carries mountains and so on. So with this in mind, would it really make sense for the Juubi to be evil? Nature = Evil? The Progenitor = Evil? It doesn't quite add up. You could even compare it to the Bible or at least the Old Testament. God is the Progenitor he created all things, yet it is his rival that is ultimate evil, one could even call him the "final villain." So I think it parallels nicely with out story, God or the Juubi is the Progenitor, creator of the world, and his rival Satan/ Sojobo is the evil we se messin everything up.

Again, it just wouldn't make sense that the Progenitor is at the same time evil. Nature is never evil.

I'm not saying the Juubi is the final villain. I'm saying that it just doens't seem like what the opposite of pure evil would do. If Sojobo is pure evil, then the Juubi should be pure goodness. I'm basing this on the strict duality, Yin/Yang etc.

 

[Apocalypse Ninja]

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Very interesting, thank you for sharing this theory with us

 

[Inichi Matsuka]

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You know that there could be another potential connecting thread here.. it may be something different entirely but I like to think about these things. As you noted, the Buddha statue represents nature chakra, and sage mode in turn. In the Hashirama vs. Madara fight, we see the Thousand-Hand Buddha facing off against Madara's Perfect Susano'o. Now, you can see where this ties in. I would like to also note that Hashirama, since being the original user of Mokuton, also had Sage Mode and the Buddha as a summon. Were these things a gift from the Juubi? After all, it IS a tree, and the Buddha is the representation of nature chakra which the Juubi is the source of.

What do you think? P.S. Awesome theory; keep em coming. c:

 

[accept pain]

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look your theory is right and accurate but the problem is that this series does not base on powerwise fights but ideology is main point...so villain will always be humans....though these evil humans may have power of those long noes susanoo type thing

 

[Dunadan]

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Good theory. ***** sir. Everybody seems to be ignoring the fruit for now , how do you think the Tengu will manifest ? I always thought that the Tengu Kishi showed throughout the course of the manga were just a parallel with the Uchiha clan . So if the Uchiha inherited their powers from the fruit (Sojobo) , so this means that the SO6P got his powers from the fruit too. So if the Juubi is nature and Sojobo is something like an opposite force , wouldn't the SO6P be the calamity instead of the savior ? So the SO6P inherited his powers from the fruit through his mother and through Juubi when he became its Jinchuuriki . And if the Uchiha have the fruit powers that means the Elder son had Sojobo's powers , what about the Younger son ? Did he inherited only the Juubi's powers ? So two opposite forces dwelled inside Rikoudo . He may went to destroy the Juubi that was mad at mankind for stealing the fruit and sealed it inside himself . Juubi is the manifestation of nature and the struggle between the two forces inside Rikoudo may have awakened the Rinnegan and his dream of world peace. Everybody has good and evil inside him (yin-yang) and Rikoudo was the example of complete control over them. I am a bit confused right now, read too many theories this morning . Sorry for this mess of a post :eww:

 

[ThilinaC]

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Wow mate simply mind blowing,good work

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

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@TYG the Tablet was created by the Sage

Right, as I said, this is probably true, but some things on there seem to be counterproductive to what the Sage preached.

For instance, "the Juubi revived will signal the end of the world...this is how to revive the Juubi"

And of course who could forget, "kill the person closest to you to obtain MS, then take your brothers eyes to obtain EMS."

All I'm saying is it just seems weird. Now of course the tablet may have read, "if you witness some one close to you dying you will unlock MS" which of course Madara and co. could have taken as "kill your closest friend." But I again I still find it odd that the Sage even knew so much about the Sharingan since he seemingly never had it. Of course the answer to that could be, "the Sage basically knew everything and created the Sharingan via creating his elder son." And yes true, but I still refer back to the earlier points.

Anyway, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he didn't write it, I believe he did, but I wouldn't be surprised if its origins aren't as squeaky clean as we think.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

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I got it. So the So6P would be a bit of a gambler. The only way to peace is to court disaster. This begs the question, why all the subterfuge? Sojobo would also be looking to revive the Juubi for Infinite Tsukuyomi. Is it fear that the pesky humans would avoid it and all things would simply continue status quo?

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

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I was pretty much unphased by this until I saw the picture of the Susanoo.

Shiiiiit man you might have something here.

 

[aimop95]

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Impressive theory...but there would be so many explanatory flash backs to make this work that Everyone would hate the new plot twist.

 

[kuramasage]

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Interesting. It's certainly different.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Right, as I said, this is probably true, but some things on there seem to be counterproductive to what the Sage preached.

For instance, "the Juubi revived will signal the end of the world...this is how to revive the Juubi"

And of course who could forget, "kill the person closest to you to obtain MS, then take your brothers eyes to obtain EMS."

All I'm saying is it just seems weird. Now of course the tablet may have read, "if you witness some one close to you dying you will unlock MS" which of course Madara and co. could have taken as "kill your closest friend." But I again I still find it odd that the Sage even knew so much about the Sharingan since he seemingly never had it. Of course the answer to that could be, "the Sage basically knew everything and created the Sharingan via creating his elder son." And yes true, but I still refer back to the earlier points.

Anyway, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he didn't write it, I believe he did, but I wouldn't be surprised if its origins aren't as squeaky clean as we think.

Yes good point, we will see.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

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this htread has blown my mind

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

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Thinking about it, how Kishimoto (by his own confession) is an avid gamer, and that he literally took many character designs and concepts from 90's video games:

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And that Edo Tensei was roughly based on the Soul Transfusion of the Sovereign's Rite in Valkyrie Profile. I'm beginning to wonder if the Shinju/Fruit backstory was based on the Divine Tree of Legend of Dragoon:

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It is said that the 108th fruit of the Divine Tree gives birth to the Virage Embryo, the God of Destruction. Birthed by the tree in order to eradicate the current species so that new species can be born (cycle of creation-destruction-rebirth) so in order to prevent this and avoid extinction, the people in LoD separated the Virage Embryo's soul fom his body, and hurled its body into the sky which became the Moon that never sets:

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