The end of (battles of NB members) part 1

[Naruto anime discussant]

I watched the anime all of it again (both Naruto and Naruto Shippuuden) and read the manga again.
As i would like to end the battles about who uses the best rinnegan as part 1, (note: i read the posts considering this issue, i also asked people about the issue took their reasons in account and returned to the anime and the manga to be able to post this thread as the thread that will end it all [i hope] ).

First who uses the rinnegan in the anime :

• Rikudou
• Nagato
• Tobi
• Madara
  so who wield the rinnegan the best?
  (it goes in rankings)
  1-Rikudou (of course)
  2-either Madara or Tobi
  4-Nagato
  before anything why?
  Sure we all agree on Rikudou as 1st, both madara and tobi are better than nagato as: lets start first with why tobi is better:
  1-According to the anime : it was said that tobi is the one who gave nagato the rinnegan , we r not sure but we have to go with it until the opposite, but as for me i believe it as nagato is an uzumaki so he didnt inherit the sage's eyes so how come he awakened it. while for tobi we dont know if he stole it or he is an uchiha (from the race of the 1st son of rikudou, so its not just has to be an uchiha).
  2-to be able to control the bijuus by restraining them by the rinnegan is surely enough to consider that tobi can use the rinnegan efficiently plus he used one of the paths on naruto so he can use the 6 paths.we saw nagato uses the six paths only and he said he is nothing to be compared to rikudou, while tobi want to be the ten-tails jinchuriki as rikudou so surely he wouldnt face the ten-tails knowing that he is weak!
  For a brief example: in the manga chapter 569 when naruto tried to pull the stake tobi said that his outer-path is stronger than nagato's path.
  
  this for why tobi is a rinnegan user better than nagato.
  why madara is better than nagato?
  As, 1-Madara is an uchiha he inherited the sage's eyes and chakra so he has the right type of chakra for any dojutsu (nagato doesnt).
  2- Madara awakened it plus didnt anyone noticed that madara can use susano with the rinnegan not just with the sharingan ! Neither tobi nor nagato could (but as for tobi maybe cant because it needs his concentration and chakra while he uses both for conrolling the bijuus)
  
  now last issue tobi or madara, who is better user of rinnegan, in my opinion madara as like i said he awakened it and he inherited the sages eye power and chakra so if anyone can be in the league of rikudou its madara, also madara used wood-element so this means that the power he took from hashirama maybe made him a full rikoudo if you know what i mean (both uchiha powers and senju powers) , so i think not just is madara in league with rikudou, he can be compared to him.
  so i say madara is better than tobi, yet the manga didnt show a full solid proof of that.
  Before commenting think about everything that is written in this thread and the manga.

 

[BusinessManTeno]

O_O

???????????
ummmmmmm
i guess

 

[Uchiha Paulsama]

lol this goes with why i said that nagato was a noob sage of six paths, compared to the others that had it, but fanboys raged.​

 

[Wind..]

I agree with you on pretty much all of it

 

[Mante]

lol. Cool!
And I agree with most of ur points.​

 

[Illyasviel]

I agree with you on some points

 

[Baldy]

Agreed in a way. O.O Nagato can't match up to the others

 

[Kianto]

wow.. +rep

 

[Naruto anime discussant]

Agreed in a way. O.O Nagato can't match up to the others

it is not about nagato cant match to the others its just he is not a better in using the rinnegan than the others, apart from using rinnegan powers maybe nagato had ninjutsus and other techniques that we can say that even if he is worse than tobi in using the rinnegan he wont lose to him, although the manga showed that nagato didnt want to become stronger than he is thinking that since he wield the rinnegan no one can beat him.
so nagato will lose to tobi even in fight (yet nagato is a high level shinobi and i like his style).
Let me put this straight imagine all the dojoutsu users in the anime with out it(dojoutsu),Uchihas huygas and rinnegan users have normal eyes. The manga shows that the doujotsu users train their eyes more than training themselves (to make this point clear, for example what if Nagato sealed his rinnegan for 3 year,obviously means he cant use his rinnegan for 3 years and now put nagato against Kiba! kiba has a big chance to win even if someone told me that nagato can use the 5 basic elements. [it doesnt matter naruto wins and he uses only 3 techniques].let us say kiba wins, and nagato will train himself as hard as naruto in these 3 years, someone as smart, powerful who knows the 5 basic elements as nagato will become very powerful and he may even come up with new techniques that are S rank in all the 5 elements and now imagine this new nagato after exactly 2 years and 364 days will face naruto and let us say nagato wins after this 3 years the seal is removed and nagato can re-use the rinnegan he even may not need to use it in his fights anymore ! to make it more clear imagine sasuke will face naruto in the long awaited fight that we want to watch in the manga and for some reason sasuke cant use his sharingan, naruto will win in an easily without being either in sage mode or of course kyuubi mode) this is a big reason of the reasons that will be in,why naruto anime is lame thread

 

[Lt Iceman]

I watched the anime all of it again (both Naruto and Naruto Shippuuden) and read the manga again.
As i would like to end the battles about who uses the best rinnegan as part 1, (note: i read the posts considering this issue, i also asked people about the issue took their reasons in account and returned to the anime and the manga to be able to post this thread as the thread that will end it all [i hope] ).

First who uses the rinnegan in the anime :

• Rikudou
• Nagato
• Tobi
• Madara
  so who wield the rinnegan the best?
  (it goes in rankings)
  1-Rikudou (of course)
  2-either Madara or Tobi
  4-Nagato
  before anything why?
  Sure we all agree on Rikudou as 1st, both madara and tobi are better than nagato as: lets start first with why tobi is better:
  1-According to the anime : it was said that tobi is the one who gave nagato the rinnegan , we r not sure but we have to go with it until the opposite, but as for me i believe it as nagato is an uzumaki so he didnt inherit the sage's eyes so how come he awakened it. while for tobi we dont know if he stole it or he is an uchiha (from the race of the 1st son of rikudou, so its not just has to be an uchiha).
  2-to be able to control the bijuus by restraining them by the rinnegan is surely enough to consider that tobi can use the rinnegan efficiently plus he used one of the paths on naruto so he can use the 6 paths.we saw nagato uses the six paths only and he said he is nothing to be compared to rikudou, while tobi want to be the ten-tails jinchuriki as rikudou so surely he wouldnt face the ten-tails knowing that he is weak!
  For a brief example: in the manga chapter 569 when naruto tried to pull the stake tobi said that his outer-path is stronger than nagato's path.
  
  this for why tobi is a rinnegan user better than nagato.
  why madara is better than nagato?
  As, 1-Madara is an uchiha he inherited the sage's eyes and chakra so he has the right type of chakra for any dojutsu (nagato doesnt).
  2- Madara awakened it plus didnt anyone noticed that madara can use susano with the rinnegan not just with the sharingan ! Neither tobi nor nagato could (but as for tobi maybe cant because it needs his concentration and chakra while he uses both for conrolling the bijuus)
  
  now last issue tobi or madara, who is better user of rinnegan, in my opinion madara as like i said he awakened it and he inherited the sages eye power and chakra so if anyone can be in the league of rikudou its madara, also madara used wood-element so this means that the power he took from hashirama maybe made him a full rikoudo if you know what i mean (both uchiha powers and senju powers) , so i think not just is madara in league with rikudou, he can be compared to him.
  so i say madara is better than tobi, yet the manga didnt show a full solid proof of that.
  Before commenting think about everything that is written in this thread and the manga.

• 
  
  Indeed gentleman,indeed
  
  Beware tough the Nagato fanboys who'll jump on your throat as soon as they get to notice the thread

 

[FloriGlori]

Indeed gentleman,indeed

Beware tough the Nagato fanboys who'll jump on your throat as soon as they get to notice the thread

It's a real surprise it didn't already happen.

 

[Lt Iceman]

It's a real surprise it didn't already happen.

Surprisingly it hasn't happened yet,maybe they're waiting for their captain Twerdos or general Rinnemaki to raise the banner of war and flood the thread like swarms of locusts xd

 

[Exaar]

I watched the anime all of it again (both Naruto and Naruto Shippuuden) and read the manga again.
As i would like to end the battles about who uses the best rinnegan as part 1, (note: i read the posts considering this issue, i also asked people about the issue took their reasons in account and returned to the anime and the manga to be able to post this thread as the thread that will end it all [i hope] ).

First who uses the rinnegan in the anime :

• Rikudou
• Nagato
• Tobi
• Madara
  so who wield the rinnegan the best?
  (it goes in rankings)
  1-Rikudou (of course)
  2-either Madara or Tobi
  4-Nagato
  before anything why?
  Sure we all agree on Rikudou as 1st, both madara and tobi are better than nagato as: lets start first with why tobi is better:
  1-According to the anime : it was said that tobi is the one who gave nagato the rinnegan , we r not sure but we have to go with it until the opposite, but as for me i believe it as nagato is an uzumaki so he didnt inherit the sage's eyes so how come he awakened it. while for tobi we dont know if he stole it or he is an uchiha (from the race of the 1st son of rikudou, so its not just has to be an uchiha).
  2-to be able to control the bijuus by restraining them by the rinnegan is surely enough to consider that tobi can use the rinnegan efficiently plus he used one of the paths on naruto so he can use the 6 paths.we saw nagato uses the six paths only and he said he is nothing to be compared to rikudou, while tobi want to be the ten-tails jinchuriki as rikudou so surely he wouldnt face the ten-tails knowing that he is weak!
  For a brief example: in the manga chapter 569 when naruto tried to pull the stake tobi said that his outer-path is stronger than nagato's path.
  
  this for why tobi is a rinnegan user better than nagato.
  why madara is better than nagato?
  As, 1-Madara is an uchiha he inherited the sage's eyes and chakra so he has the right type of chakra for any dojutsu (nagato doesnt).
  2- Madara awakened it plus didnt anyone noticed that madara can use susano with the rinnegan not just with the sharingan ! Neither tobi nor nagato could (but as for tobi maybe cant because it needs his concentration and chakra while he uses both for conrolling the bijuus)
  
  now last issue tobi or madara, who is better user of rinnegan, in my opinion madara as like i said he awakened it and he inherited the sages eye power and chakra so if anyone can be in the league of rikudou its madara, also madara used wood-element so this means that the power he took from hashirama maybe made him a full rikoudo if you know what i mean (both uchiha powers and senju powers) , so i think not just is madara in league with rikudou, he can be compared to him.
  so i say madara is better than tobi, yet the manga didnt show a full solid proof of that.
  Before commenting think about everything that is written in this thread and the manga.

• 
  
  You do know that Tobi is controlling the Tailed Beasts with his sharingan right?, It has nothing to do with the rinnegan.
  When the 5tails attacked him he Pinned it down with the chains, Then he Regained controll Over it (when he did we saw the sharingan in the 5tails eyes).
  
  Also Madara being able to use Susanoo doesn't have Anything to do with his controll of the rinnegan. ITs a sharingan Jutsu.
  As of Controll i would say Nagato has more controll over it than Madara.
  Madara Died shortly after he got it, He has Hardly anytime to use it, Unlike Nagato.
  
  Untill we See more Feats from Both Madara or Tobi we can't really say they > Nagato at use of the rinnegan.

 

[Lt Iceman]

You do know that Tobi is controlling the Tailed Beasts with his sharingan right?, It has nothing to do with the rinnegan.
When the 5tails attacked him he Pinned it down with the chains, Then he Regained controll Over it (when he did we saw the sharingan in the 5tails eyes).

Also Madara being able to use Susanoo doesn't have Anything to do with his controll of the rinnegan. ITs a sharingan Jutsu.
As of Controll i would say Nagato has more controll over it than Madara.
Madara Died shortly after he got it, He has Hardly anytime to use it, Unlike Nagato.

Untill we See more Feats from Both Madara or Tobi we can't really say they > Nagato at use of the rinnegan.

Now i take this opportunity to address one issue that has been troubling me for quite some time

The issue of the Rinnegan use of Madara,Tobi,Nagato

I really don't know where the misconception of Madara not being good enough with the rinnegan comes from,really?

In the manga it was stated he awakened the eyes shortly before his death indeed,but from there we can't make the logical leap and claim that he can't use it to the extent of nagato because the latter had more time to use it...i seriously have the feeling it's something the nagato fanboys bring up as to say nagato>madara

Now i must validate my claims with manga proof,or else my assessment is weak and void of credibility

trough out the show it has been,several times highlighted the concept of an expert with a stone beating a novice with a shuriken,i guess the meaning of such saying is self explanatory

examples like itachi,who awakened his KG at an early age,and was extremely proficient in its use right from the very beginning,testament to it is the simple fact he was anbu captain at a premature age...mostly at his premature age he was pretty much the strongest of his clan,this to further my point that awakening eyes later or before is all dependind on the personal skills of the user,time isn't the sole factor

another example is Tobi,the guy transplanted Nagatos eyes recently and already has more mastery over the Outer path than nagato has ever had during his entire lifetime,so yet again the time factor wasn't the sole factor to count in the equation like nagato fans always make it out to be

personal skills,bloodline,personality,all take a very huge role in the jutsu apprehending/improvement process

there are other examples,but those were the ones that came to my mind right off the bat

Now onto Madara,saying he awakened the eyes shortly before his death doesn't negate him the possibility of being better than nagato in using it,for aforementioned reasons,and mostly what many fail to realize is that they can't quantify how much time actually madara had before his death,as the term 'shortly period' can indicate a week or a month or even more

Now madara being the war driven and power hungry individual that he is,is highly unlikely that he didn't spend every effort of his in discovering the in and outs of his clans eye techniques,not to mention he was the 1st to awaken the EMS,so it's safe to say he knows all the secret of the sharingan,and look what a coincidence the rinnegan is the next level

It's simply unreasonable to conclude nagato is better than madara in rinnegan usage just because of time U_U

 

[Exaar]

Now i take this opportunity to address one issue that has been troubling me for quite some time

The issue of the Rinnegan use of Madara,Tobi,Nagato

I really don't know where the misconception of Madara not being good enough with the rinnegan comes from,really?

In the manga it was stated he awakened the eyes shortly before his death indeed,but from there we can't make the logical leap and claim that he can't use it to the extent of nagato because the latter had more time to use it...i seriously have the feeling it's something the nagato fanboys bring up as to say nagato>madara

Now i must validate my claims with manga proof,or else my assessment is weak and void of credibility

trough out the show it has been,several times highlighted the concept of an expert with a stone beating a novice with a shuriken,i guess the meaning of such saying is self explanatory

examples like itachi,who awakened his KG at an early age,and was extremely proficient in its use right from the very beginning,testament to it is the simple fact he was anbu captain at a premature age...mostly at his premature age he was pretty much the strongest of his clan,this to further my point that awakening eyes later or before is all dependind on the personal skills of the user,time isn't the sole factor

another example is Tobi,the guy transplanted Nagatos eyes recently and already has more mastery over the Outer path than nagato has ever had during his entire lifetime,so yet again the time factor wasn't the sole factor to count in the equation like nagato fans always make it out to be

personal skills,bloodline,personality,all take a very huge role in the jutsu apprehending/improvement process

there are other examples,but those were the ones that came to my mind right off the bat

Now onto Madara,saying he awakened the eyes shortly before his death doesn't negate him the possibility of being better than nagato in using it,for aforementioned reasons,and mostly what many fail to realize is that they can't quantify how much time actually madara had before his death,as the term 'shortly period' can indicate a week or a month or even more

Now madara being the war driven and power hungry individual that he is,is highly unlikely that he didn't spend every effort of his in discovering the in and outs of his clans eye techniques,not to mention he was the 1st to awaken the EMS,so it's safe to say he knows all the secret of the sharingan,and look what a coincidence the rinnegan is the next level

It's simply unreasonable to conclude nagato is better than madara in rinnegan usage just because of time U_U

I'm Not saying Nagato > madara at Using the rinnegan, i'm just saying Madara Nor Tobi Have the Feats that Nagato does. (Yet)
I Was just Pointing out the "Reasons" Given in this Thread had nothing to do with Tobis/Madara's Rinnegan controll. (Controlling the Tailed beasts/Having Susanoo) Since They are all to do with the Sharingan.

I wouldn't be surprised in the next few Months we see Tobi/Madara's Power with the rinnegan and Might actually Surpass Nagato.

Also It is very hard to Judge Someone in Their edo forms, Since they are Being controlled, and Chakra doesn't seem to be an issue for them.

I Hope we do get some Flashbacks on Madara's Past, To see When he Died and if he ever used it in an actual battle or not.

 

[Lt Iceman]

I'm Not saying Nagato > madara at Using the rinnegan, i'm just saying Madara Nor Tobi Have the Feats that Nagato does. (Yet)
I Was just Pointing out the "Reasons" Given in this Thread had nothing to do with Tobis/Madara's Rinnegan controll. (Controlling the Tailed beasts/Having Susanoo) Since They are all to do with the Sharingan.

I wouldn't be surprised in the next few Months we see Tobi/Madara's Power with the rinnegan and Might actually Surpass Nagato.

Also It is very hard to Judge Someone in Their edo forms, Since they are Being controlled, and Chakra doesn't seem to be an issue for them.

I Hope we do get some Flashbacks on Madara's Past, To see When he Died and if he ever used it in an actual battle or not.

yes i understood your previous assessment,it's just i took the opportunity to throw in some food for thought(i was note even specifically referring to your persona)

Yep we'll have to surely wait to see more Rinnegan action form the likes of Madara and Tobi

I totally disagree on the Edo part tough,as that is another misconception/arbitral interpretation folks brought out of nowhere U_U

Nowhere in the manga iirc it was even remotely hinted that Edos have limitless chakra,all we know from the manga is that they're brought back to life in the last shape they were before they died,nothing more,nothing less can be added without crossing the boundaries of manga canon and jumping into the realm of speculation

 

[Uchiha Paulsama]

i agree with the iceman.... nagato had most of his life to train with those eyes, madara barely got the chance to use them. and imo i feel that being able to use susanno with the rinnegan, is a high feat in itself. planetary devastation is a great technique, it may be considered nagato's ultimate jutsu. but look at madara being able to use wood release, from what we know, he didn't have earth + water , correct?

an Uchiha is born with a fire affinity, so to be able to use wood release makes him seem incredible. on top of that , madara absorbed naruto's rasenganshuriken, and he also called upon meteors.. but i give cred to nagato for how far he got with the eyes.

tobi will show much more progression, which he already has, by combining rinnegan, with the sharingan, to control the tailed beasts, and manipulate them into different forms. i feel that takes more then the sharingan power to control them.​

 

[MrScribble]

BY the way there is no way that you will end the fueds between people...

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I watched the anime all of it again (both Naruto and Naruto Shippuuden) and read the manga again.
As i would like to end the battles about who uses the best rinnegan as part 1, (note: i read the posts considering this issue, i also asked people about the issue took their reasons in account and returned to the anime and the manga to be able to post this thread as the thread that will end it all [i hope] ).

First who uses the rinnegan in the anime :

• Rikudou
• Nagato
• Tobi
• Madara
  so who wield the rinnegan the best?
  (it goes in rankings)
  1-Rikudou (of course)
  2-either Madara or Tobi
  4-Nagato
  before anything why?
  Sure we all agree on Rikudou as 1st, both madara and tobi are better than nagato as: lets start first with why tobi is better:
  1-According to the anime : it was said that tobi is the one who gave nagato the rinnegan , we r not sure but we have to go with it until the opposite, but as for me i believe it as nagato is an uzumaki so he didnt inherit the sage's eyes so how come he awakened it. while for tobi we dont know if he stole it or he is an uchiha (from the race of the 1st son of rikudou, so its not just has to be an uchiha).
  2-to be able to control the bijuus by restraining them by the rinnegan is surely enough to consider that tobi can use the rinnegan efficiently plus he used one of the paths on naruto so he can use the 6 paths.we saw nagato uses the six paths only and he said he is nothing to be compared to rikudou, while tobi want to be the ten-tails jinchuriki as rikudou so surely he wouldnt face the ten-tails knowing that he is weak!
  For a brief example: in the manga chapter 569 when naruto tried to pull the stake tobi said that his outer-path is stronger than nagato's path.
  
  this for why tobi is a rinnegan user better than nagato.
  why madara is better than nagato?
  As, 1-Madara is an uchiha he inherited the sage's eyes and chakra so he has the right type of chakra for any dojutsu (nagato doesnt).
  2- Madara awakened it plus didnt anyone noticed that madara can use susano with the rinnegan not just with the sharingan ! Neither tobi nor nagato could (but as for tobi maybe cant because it needs his concentration and chakra while he uses both for conrolling the bijuus)
  
  now last issue tobi or madara, who is better user of rinnegan, in my opinion madara as like i said he awakened it and he inherited the sages eye power and chakra so if anyone can be in the league of rikudou its madara, also madara used wood-element so this means that the power he took from hashirama maybe made him a full rikoudo if you know what i mean (both uchiha powers and senju powers) , so i think not just is madara in league with rikudou, he can be compared to him.
  so i say madara is better than tobi, yet the manga didnt show a full solid proof of that.
  Before commenting think about everything that is written in this thread and the manga.

• 
  rinnegan users
  1.rikudo(obviously every single one)
  2.nagato(shown 25 or so)
  3.tobi(shown 5)
  4.madara(shown 2 rinnegan techs)
  
  2.nagato is related to sage aswell as madara and possibly tobi and didnt you notice how nagato can do more than 1 rinnegan technique at once and madara cannot

 

[Naruto anime discussant]

rinnegan users
1.rikudo(obviously every single one)
2.nagato(shown 25 or so)
3.tobi(shown 5)
4.madara(shown 2 rinnegan techs)

2.nagato is related to sage aswell as madara and possibly tobi and didnt you notice how nagato can do more than 1 rinnegan technique at once and madara cannot

I didnt disagree with the fact that nagato is related to the sage but from which blood-race, its from the 2nd son, so all i said that ppl from the 1st son are more suitable in using dojotsu than any other ninja (even from the 2nd son)

if read my post efficiently as i requested, u will see that i wrote that in my opinion madara and tobi using the rinnegan better than nagato that doesnt mean that as an overall shinobi they will definitely beat nagato,although i think so too(they can beat him as an overall shinobi).
Manga didnt show that madara cant use many rinnegan techniques at once plus nagato did it through the six bodies each have one path and if u mentioned the fight with naruto and B he used one after another not 2 paths in the same time