[Theory] The end game

Uchiha Samater

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Hey guys, haven't shared in a while so here you go



The End Game:



Sasuke’s Answer:



Once Itachi had ‘passed away’ for the 2nd time, Sasuke was left conflicted, burning with rage against those who caused his brother much suffering, yet full of love and respect for his brother who educated him on why he lived his life the way he did.



Sasuke poised the following questions to himself:



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These three questions are linked to the answers which are pivotal to understanding Sasuke’s goals now regarding ‘’Peace’’.









Clans, Villages and Shinobi’s:



One of the main reasons why Sasuke was conflicted was why a genius level Shinobi like Itachi, would give so much for the sake of the Village of Konoha regardless of the fate of his clan.

Torn by the tragedy of his clan, and the feelings of his brother which made him make the choices he did.



Sasuke resolved to put full commitment to whatever answer he would come up with once he had received his answers from those he felt could answer him, the previous Hokage.





Sasuke’s initial question to Sarutobi Hiruzen was interesting, by asking the former Hokage whether what Itachi told him was the truth, he received a very intriguing answer:



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That was a very well worded answer, as it not only demonstrated that Itachi was not bound to his clan so to speak due to no other reason, but by his own self definition of what a Shinobi and a Village is and what they stand for.



By carrying out his mission, he illustrated that he thought similar to the Hokage’s in that definition of a Village and a Shinobi







That self-definition was explicitly explained by Senju Hashirama when Sasuke asked him ‘What are Shinobi and What are Villages’:



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However the difference in this was Hashirama acknowledged the flaw in what ultimately represents the current Village system of Konoha, [which was imitated in the other lands]:



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To summarise, Sasuke understood that what the current understanding universally is that Shinobi are people who endure hardships and trials to achieve what they desire, such as Itachi and Hashirama who desired nothing more than peace, and who killed/murdered their friend/family to achieve that goal.



However, Hashirama believed that the Village system would knock down the boundaries between the clans, which throughout the years proved to be incorrect.







Sasuke with these answers in mind, set himself a new goal that he would endure as a Shinobi, that like his brother would free him from the bound of his clan’s hatred, and also free him from the bounds of the current system.



That answer was :



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Sasuke as a Shinobi, has chosen to endure the hardship similar to Itachi, to be labelled a criminal in order to reform not only Konoha but the whole Shinobi world.

Sasuke wishes just as Naruto does, to free the world of Darkness, (Ironic coming from Sasuke who was once engulfed by hatred, and is still thought of as a criminal)







This Darkness lies in the current system of the Villages and Lands, let me take you back to a pivotal speech by Nagato aka Pein:



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Nagato was a perfect Illustration of the flaws of the current system, something that not only Sasuke acknowledges but Naruto also, however their ideologies are different.





Let me refer to the following ideologies as ‘Yin’ aka Sasuke, and Yang Naruto.



Taoism is heavily referenced thought the Naruto series, no more so than with Sasuke and Naruto.



Naruto is the light who inherited the will of fire aka Yang, and Sasuke was, [please note the past term ‘was’], the darkness which rejected that will of fire aka Yin.





Let me give you a definition of the Taiji symbol which make up the Yin and Yang :



In terms of Taoist cosmology, the circle represents Tao - the undifferentiated Unity out of which all of existence arises. One cannot exist without the other due to imbalance.









Sasuke’s goal is correct as the world does need to reform, however the manner in which he is pursuing it is incorrect, however that is where the term, ‘Yin and Yang’ come into play.







Taking you back to Peins speech, Naruto already remarked that Jiraiya had entrusted him with attaining peace, but when questioned by Pein, how would he achieve this, Naruto’s answer was simple:



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Now it would be incorrect to compare the current timeline Naruto’s mentality to the one shown in the picture, however what we should notice is that this was the first moment in the whole of the series, (and arguably only moment), that Naruto was not only beaten physically, but his spirit was destroyed due to realisation of the enormity of the task he placed on himself.



In the current timeline, Naruto is now more aware of the ‘real world’, and understands the complex repercussions of every action, however one can argue that since Yin cannot exist without Yang.



I interpret this as the following:



Naruto’s goal for peace is correct but flawed, Sasuke will explain why he is flawed, and why he disagrees with Naruto pointing out the flaws. This will resound deeply with Naruto who will agree with many aspects of Sasuke’s ‘revolution’, however he will still disagree with many aspects also.

Naruto will then reiterate to Sasuke his goal, and new way to attain it, filling the flaws in Sasuke’s plans, and pointing out his flaws.



This will be the key factor in realising, that on their own they are imbalanced and imperfect, however when they are together:



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The Yin and Yang would create a perfect system together.



This leads me now to Ninshuu.











Ninshuu:





Ninshuu was a set of teachings of peace and understanding which began with Hagoromo Otsusuki, who distributed Chakra in order for people to be linked and thus understand each other.



Please see the following picture which illustrated it:



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But wait, that looks familiar:



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Yes, it was almost identical to how Naruto, [who has become most the skilled chakra wielder in the series excluding the Sage of Sixth Paths], was illustrated to show he distributed chakra between the Shinobi Alliance.



This is EXTREMELY important as you will now see.





Naruto as a Jinchuuriki shares many traits of the Sage of Sixth Paths, especially his ability not only share chakra, but to specifically match each and every person he is distributing it too, however he also managed to do this:





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What this was, was Naruto sharing his feelings through the his chakra which he shared with everyone during the war, via the CHAKRA, he DISTRIBUTED, everyone was able to UNDERSTAND HIM.



Very very very similar to what Ninshuu was designed for.







Not only that, one only has to look back and see how many times that Naruto has communicated via chakra without actually speaking:



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The common denominator in this is the Jinchuuriki , or rather the Biijuu, which ties in to what I believe will happen.









The End:





As I explained Sasuke needs Naruto to establish peace and vice versa, however this may not mean they will exist together or even exist at all.



One or both of them will die, however prior to this they will establish Ninshuu and create the catalyst which will reform the whole world.



This will be done by ‘eradicating the biijuu’, this however will not mean they are killed, but rather, their monstrous chakra will be split infinitely and distributed between the people resulting in everyone developing a ‘link’ with other, causing them to have a greater understanding of one another.



Through this distribution, the sage’s goal of peace all those hundreds and hundreds of years ago will be established and it will result in the beginning of a new era.
 

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This is a long ass thread
 

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Right. I skipped to the conclusion, since that's all I needed. Right when you said "one or both of them will die" is when this entire thread jumped the shark. Both of them survive, as they both are in the new movie. That right there negates everything you spent the time to write in this thread.
 

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Your getting it twisted first Itachi did not want to reform Konoha in anyway shape or form he merely wanted to protect it as he loved it more then his own clan killing them proves this like the 3rd said at the age of 7 like you said he had the reasoning of a Hokage and started to care for the future of the village so please do not assume Itachi did anything near what Sasuke's doing now because that would be totally not true and the two brothers are worlds apart in that respect
 

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Right. I skipped to the conclusion, since that's all I needed. Right when you said "one or both of them will die" is when this entire thread jumped the shark. Both of them survive, as they both are in the new movie. That right there negates everything you spent the time to write in this thread.
Who said that the movie was cannon?
 

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Who said that the movie was cannon?

The creators did, which they mentioned the movie takes place after the events of the manga's ending. Sounds like Canon to me, although you never know. It could still be just some parallel/alternate world type deal.
 

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The creators did, which they mentioned the movie takes place after the events of the manga's ending. Sounds like Canon to me, although you never know. It could still be just some parallel/alternate world type deal.

From the movie designs must be some sort of timeskip ahead
 

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Right. I skipped to the conclusion, since that's all I needed. Right when you said "one or both of them will die" is when this entire thread jumped the shark. Both of them survive, as they both are in the new movie. That right there negates everything you spent the time to write in this thread.


You misunderstand

This is a conclusion in regards to attaining peace

Not the next few
Chapters

Skipping does that lol
 

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Your getting it twisted first Itachi did not want to reform Konoha in anyway shape or form he merely wanted to protect it as he loved it more then his own clan killing them proves this like the 3rd said at the age of 7 like you said he had the reasoning of a Hokage and started to care for the future of the village so please do not assume Itachi did anything near what Sasuke's doing now because that would be totally not true and the two brothers are worlds apart in that respect


I never said Itachi wanted to reform

I said sasuke is going to attempt to become like his brother by "enduring" to achieve his own personal goals

That was clear in the last chapter when he said he already knew what itachi meant


Hope that clarifies that for u
 

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I never said Itachi wanted to reform

I said sasuke is going to attempt to become like his brother by "enduring" to achieve his own personal goals

That was clear in the last chapter when he said he already knew what itachi meant


Hope that clarifies that for u

Guess so but our meaning of "Enduring" and what they mean is probably different like Itachi and what he endured vs Sasuke and how he is "enduring" w.e people think of him so he can complete this revolution of his...but to be honest honest if he is trying to endure anything that would mean he cares for the village and therefore he should care for the people in it and that includes the Kage like Tsunade and the other Kage to they may have made mistakes but killing them changes nothing and he will simply become the same killing people to achieve a goal that is trying to end hatred does nothing to end that but only lets it fester in the village people who care for those Kage that were killed and so that hatred will continue in the kids they have and so on so really his Revolution will fail the time he kills any of the Kage.
 

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I like you. You made a lot of sense.

So by your theory, Sasuke's been playing a Lelouch all this time?
 

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I like you. You made a lot of sense.

So by your theory, Sasuke's been playing a Lelouch all this time?

Thanks. Dude

No not all this time

Just when he decided to and not let what his brother tried to protect turn to nothing
 

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Good thread but you lost me when you said Naruto and Sasuke die. There is supposed to be more than one movie and since Kishi is working on them and they are continuing his work where the manga leaves off, it's a pretty good bet they will be cannon. I don't think Kishi will let people do whatever they want with his life's work. Maybe they will die in one of the movies but not in this fight and probably not in the first movie.

I think Naruto is going to use ninshu to communicate to Sasuke during their fight. It had no impact when he told Sasuke what Itachi's idea od a hokage was but if he shows Sasuke his and Itachi's feelings at the time it was happening that could make a difference. I think he'll show him about the crow Itachi implanted in Naruto with Shisui's eye, he'll show him how they fought Nagato when Kabuto was controlling him and how Itachi was counting on Naruto to save Sasuke from the darkness or to stop him from hurting Konoha by whatever means necessary.

I think he'll also show him the feelings of the alliance and how the people of the other villages have changed towards each other now. How they view each other as comrades now and not enemies only banding together for a common cause. I would think Naruto will also get to see what Sasuke is thinking and feeling too. Naruto will realize how devastated Sasuke was from finding out that the brother he spent his whole life trying to get revenge on truly did love him and tried in his own way to protect him. Sasuke's need to change the system was born out of that devastation.

I don't think this fight will be a lot of TNJ but it will be a lot of flashbacks as they show their feelings to each other while they are fighting. I don't think this will alter their personalities much but it will make them see the merit in each others ideas. That they are both needed to turn things around.
 

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Good thread but you lost me when you said Naruto and Sasuke die. There is supposed to be more than one movie and since Kishi is working on them and they are continuing his work where the manga leaves off, it's a pretty good bet they will be cannon. I don't think Kishi will let people do whatever they want with his life's work. Maybe they will die in one of the movies but not in this fight and probably not in the first movie.

I think Naruto is going to use ninshu to communicate to Sasuke during their fight. It had no impact when he told Sasuke what Itachi's idea od a hokage was but if he shows Sasuke his and Itachi's feelings at the time it was happening that could make a difference. I think he'll show him about the crow Itachi implanted in Naruto with Shisui's eye, he'll show him how they fought Nagato when Kabuto was controlling him and how Itachi was counting on Naruto to save Sasuke from the darkness or to stop him from hurting Konoha by whatever means necessary.

I think he'll also show him the feelings of the alliance and how the people of the other villages have changed towards each other now. How they view each other as comrades now and not enemies only banding together for a common cause. I would think Naruto will also get to see what Sasuke is thinking and feeling too. Naruto will realize how devastated Sasuke was from finding out that the brother he spent his whole life trying to get revenge on truly did love him and tried in his own way to protect him. Sasuke's need to change the system was born out of that devastation.

I don't think this fight will be a lot of TNJ but it will be a lot of flashbacks as they show their feelings to each other while they are fighting. I don't think this will alter their personalities much but it will make them see the merit in each others ideas. That they are both needed to turn things around.


Thanks for the detailed response! appreciated


As for the death aspect, i did state that it will more than likely be one or both, and that would signify the end of the series

when it comes to my theory, try not to look at only the next few chapters or the next movie, (or any possible 'final' movie after that)

This is the ''end game'' so to speak


but yes, the ninshuu aspect of it all will play a massive role in this, considering its been said countless times that these two understand each other through fists they will address and complete each others goals by reaching an understanding
 

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This was a very well put together thread. It was a very interesting and reminiscent reminder of all that the series has gone through so far. You made a lot of very good points and I believe it would be hard to challenge most of them because the way they were worded was so far from a forced opinion or fact, that no one could definitively tell you "you're completely wrong".

Good job meng!
 

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Too long nice theory ....but

All the beast naruto and sauce will coexist in the end....
 

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I don't necessarily agree with you on all grounds but props to you for putting together a very solid thread. Your thought process was very well laid out and easy to follow, backed with logic and some prime examples to aid the point you were trying to make.

I do agree that the SO6P had the right idea. He created ninshuu as a catalyst so that "people truly understand one another". This thought process resonated throughout the ages and is an ongoing theme in Naruto. Find the right words, instead of violence. Never be eager for war, but never walk away from it. Seek to understand and resolve.

I think you could be right in the sense that Naruto and Sasuke, coming together, will unite the world via Ninshuu and create a time where people can truly understand one another. It won't eradicate darkness like Sasuke wants, but it will allow everyone to understand and accept the darkness in others hearts, and be able to stand up through it together. That, in essence, might bring the entire Naruto tale full circle.
 

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Soooo what's the exact point of Sasuke then? To make Naruto realize the system isn't perfect yet? And for that to happen Naruto needs to distribute the bijuu (even Kurama) to every single shinobi so there is a "universal" power balance? Seems a little farfetched to be honest.

What Sasuke is trying to do still doesn't make him live up to the quote Itachi said to Naruto about becoming Hokage, and until Sasuke starts being a little less selfless like Naruto he will never achieve his goal of becoming Hokage. As for Sasuke trying to accomplish Hashirama's goal of uniting the world, Naruto (with the threat of Obito/Madara) already did that. All the Kage's learned to respect him, he didn't need to kill them to reform everything. Plus they hardly had anything to do with what the shinobi world was designed into, that was there predecessors more of less, so killing them makes almost no sense and would make every nation go against Sasuke's idea.

If you are saying they will truly understand one another eventually and reach common ground, thus making Sasuke a little more logical, sensible, and selfless, then I agree. But I still don't think all the bijuu are going to be broken up into little pieces so everyone can resonate with each other.
 
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