[Theory] The descendants of Hagoromo and Hamura

[Shisho]

Everyone now has a consensus that Indra and Ashura are the children of Hagoromo, but many ASSUME that because of this Hyuuga and UZUMAKI are Hamura's children. My question is, why couldn't Uzumaki be a branch of the Senju family similar to how the Hyuuga family has a "branch"?

Wouldn't it make far more sense that Hyuuga and Kaguya clan were descendants of Hamura, and then that Uzumaki is a branch of the Senju like I suggested? Look in chapter 670, page 19. We can see that Ashura's chakra transmigrated to Naruto. Since Ashura's chakra transmigrated, and it transmigrates into his DESCENDANTS, it must be that the Uzumaki are a branch of the Senju somehow. What I do not understand is how people assume that the Uzumaki are of Hamura's lineage, when Ashura transmigrated to an Uzumaki.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Finaly someone with some sence. Prepare to be blatantly ignored.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Yea this is pretty good if you ask me. Also i agree with the Hamura thing as well i mean it would be the only way he could have some relevance in this story.

 

[slayerdanger]

I agree, the Uzumaki are senjus just with red hair and a different last name. They did branch off from the Senju, it's just less obvious than the Hyuuga branch because Hyuuga's all share the same eyes, while Senju and Uzumaki have different colored hair.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Yeah it posibble

 

[IcedFox]

It has been stated that the uzumaki and Senju are distant blood relatives, so the Uzumaki clan would have been founded (Speculation) about 200 years after the Senju clan.

But still it's odd, because during the Warring states Era, I don't think there was any inter-clan dirtyfuntime going on. So as to keep the clans "pure"

 

[Shisho]

The warring states period could have easily lasted three thousand years or longer, and none of us would be the wiser. The families were quite large, just look at the size of some of the clans. There were enough Uchiha and Senju for there to be a large battlefield of them. Does it not make sense that a female Senju married into another family, and they married in with other senju or members of that family(perhaps both) to create the Uzumaki clan? It makes far more sense than Ashura to transmigrate into somebody not in his direct lineage.

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

The senjus were a more "loving" clan. The hyugas branches' seem oppressive it makes it that one branch is dominant while the other is recessive the senjus and uzumaki's didn't see each other that way they saw themselves as comrades in arms and allies.

 

[kageking]

This should be crystal clear, uchiha and senju are descendants of hagoromo, the hyuuga descended from hamura. The uzumaki at this point could be either an off shoot of the senju or also descendants of hamuras.

 

[Shisho]

My theory portion of it is that Uzumaki are a branch of the Senju, and that Kaguya(the clan) are the descendants of Hamura.

 

[Mellow]

Hamura has byakugan , hyuga has byakugan Lol

 

[Shisho]

Yes, that is why I put it in there, since many people have said that Hyuuga is actually a descendant of Hagoromo, I need to clear people up in that regard. My OP has the theory, which is that Hyuuga and Kaguya were descendants of Hamura, instead of Hyuuga and Uzumaki as many believe to be the case.

 

[Ashura San]

The warring states period could have easily lasted three thousand years or longer, and none of us would be the wiser. The families were quite large, just look at the size of some of the clans. There were enough Uchiha and Senju for there to be a large battlefield of them. Does it not make sense that a female Senju married into another family, and they married in with other senju or members of that family(perhaps both) to create the Uzumaki clan? It makes far more sense than Ashura to transmigrate into somebody not in his direct lineage.

Even if this were true, if someone married and reproduced outside of the senju, do you know what the most recessive hair color is? Even if the non senju had red hair it's a 50/50 chance they would come out with red hair. Now think about a whole clan. How does a clan spawn from ONE outside marriage?

 

[Ashura San]

Also, why are you assuming Hamura only had two children? He could be the ancestor of Uzumaki, Hyuuga, and Kaguya clan

 

[Shisho]

How would a transmigrant of ASHURA's chakra be from a clan outside the Senju? It makes no sense for a transmigrant to be from a clan outside of the ancestor's lineage. This is why it makes the most sense for Uzumaki to be a branch of the Senju, rather than a child of Hamura. Only other possibility is another child of Hagoromo, and not a child of Hamura, as at least then he is transmigrating to a brothers body, rather than a cousin's body, which seems far further off the track.

 

[Draxus]

Everyone now has a consensus that Indra and Ashura are the children of Hagoromo, but many ASSUME that because of this Hyuuga and UZUMAKI are Hamura's children. My question is, why couldn't Uzumaki be a branch of the Senju family similar to how the Hyuuga family has a "branch"?

No there's only a loud minority with a bunch of sheeple that type "nice theory" on any thread with pictures and more that 2 paragraphs.

Wouldn't it make far more sense that Hyuuga and Kaguya clan were descendants of Hamura, and then that Uzumaki is a branch of the Senju like I suggested? Look in chapter 670, page 19. We can see that Ashura's chakra transmigrated to Naruto. Since Ashura's chakra transmigrated, and it transmigrates into his DESCENDANTS, it must be that the Uzumaki are a branch of the Senju somehow. What I do not understand is how people assume that the Uzumaki are of Hamura's lineage, when Ashura transmigrated to an Uzumaki.

Yeah most people believe as you do.

 

[Shisho]

No there's only a loud minority with a bunch of sheeple that type "nice theory" on any thread with pictures and more that 2 paragraphs.



Yeah most people believe as you do.

Haha, sheeple. I love this word. You have my +rep.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Everyone now has a consensus that Indra and Ashura are the children of Hagoromo, but many ASSUME that because of this Hyuuga and UZUMAKI are Hamura's children. My question is, why couldn't Uzumaki be a branch of the Senju family similar to how the Hyuuga family has a "branch"?

Wouldn't it make far more sense that Hyuuga and Kaguya clan were descendants of Hamura, and then that Uzumaki is a branch of the Senju like I suggested? Look in chapter 670, page 19. We can see that Ashura's chakra transmigrated to Naruto. Since Ashura's chakra transmigrated, and it transmigrates into his DESCENDANTS, it must be that the Uzumaki are a branch of the Senju somehow. What I do not understand is how people assume that the Uzumaki are of Hamura's lineage, when Ashura transmigrated to an Uzumaki.

Because manga told that the relationship between Senju and Uzumaki was not direct, but as distant relatives. Also, it was said that these two clans had a bloodline relationship (not lineage). Ergo, Uzumaki didn't come from the Senju, and also Senju didn't come from Uzumaki.

Finally, because manga tells that Hagoromo's descendants were the Senju and Uchiha. It doesn't speak about other clans. Even Hagoromo's clan isn't mentioned in this sense, so under this logic, Kaguya's clan might be something completely aparted from the Ootsutsuki, even if this clan shared similar techniques.

 

[Shisho]

20+ generations could not make people "distant relatives?" It was likely more generations than even this, how would you assume that Ashura's Chakra would transmigrate out of his lineage?

 

[Mr Hiru]

20+ generations could not make people "distant relatives?" It was likely more generations than even this, how would you assume that Ashura's Chakra would transmigrate out of his lineage?

Why not? DNA is not necessarily related to specific chakra. How can you explain that Sasori is able to create human puppets and use their respective chakra? Hmmm?