The Death of Uchiha Madara!

[The God of Wind]

when tobi confronted konan, he asked her why nagato went so far as to use Gedo Rinne Tensei no jutsu to revive all those he had killed as that technique WAS SUPPOSED TO BE USED FOR HIS SAKE!!! which proves madara had intended nagato to revive his real body, also when edo madara awakened he said something about nagato managing to grow up, at that point edo madara thought he had been fully revived until kabuto told him about the edo tensei. and the reason madara was scared afte
There is somthing i want to tell you. 1. Tobi aint freakin zetsu clone or someone madara made. 2. Madara didnt activated his rinnegan when he was fighting 1st. 3. And it should be something dangerous who killed him. Imo tobi is elder son of so6p. And it is just an opinion. As tobi is old enough. And there is something about tobi madara and zetsu that kishi wants to tell us or maybe show. So lets continue readin manga.

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i cant believe there are still so many people who believe tobi is not madara, go to the second link please, and tell me that the guy talking to konan is lying after you read that page, cmon people!

 

[MangaFan26]

Tobi is way too weak to be Madara, even a small portion of him. I am sure that Tobi is a Uchiha but to say he is Madara is a far stretch.

 

[The God of Wind]

maybe is not enough, if your theory is based on something that might or might not happen then there is no point arguing you anymore. and if nagato was really alive from the time the 1st was alive...just how does that make any sense :shrug:

hey deadsoul please explain the following page to me, you are a reader please tell me what you think the "it" in this situation would be.....

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[The God of Wind]

Tobi is way too weak to be Madara, even a small portion of him. I am sure that Tobi is a Uchiha but to say he is Madara is a far stretch.

how is tobi weak?!!!! lol, please specify

 

[MangaFan26]

Have you ever seen Tobi use a wood style jutsu? Do you really believe that Tobi is as strong as Madara or a portion of Madara's strength? I'm not saying that Tobi is weak compared to other characters in the series, but I am saying that compared to Madara he is way too weak. Plus I haven't seen Madara use any Time/Space Jutsu.

The only facts that we have saying that Tobi is Madara is Tobi saying he is. There are no other facts pointing to that assumption.

 

[Timiursa]

Tobi isnt Madara. I dont believe in that whole Zetsu clone of the original Madara thing either, it would be too abstract. Possible in the way Zetsu is shown in the manga but I dont think that Tobi turns out to be a simple copy in the end, that would ruin it.
I still believe it's Izuna who was revived before Madara died through Rinne Tensei. And the original plan was to revive Madara through Nagato's Rinne Tensei, which is why Tobi said it was meant for his plans.

 

[MangaFan26]

Please read Manga chapter 560 page 2. Edo Madara says this is HIS doing. Notice he doesn't say this is MY doing.

 

[The God of Wind]

Tobi isnt Madara. I dont believe in that whole Zetsu clone of the original Madara thing either, it would be too abstract. Possible in the way Zetsu is shown in the manga but I dont think that Tobi turns out to be a simple copy in the end, that would ruin it.
I still believe it's Izuna who was revived before Madara died through Rinne Tensei. And the original plan was to revive Madara through Nagato's Rinne Tensei, which is why Tobi said it was meant for his plans.

ok so tobi saying he is madara is an assumption is what ur trying to say? i dont get that, is tobi assuming he is madara or is he making a statement while fully aware and awake? and your argument above, ur saying the zetsu clone body makes sense but will not happen because it will be ruined for whom? for you right? doesnt take any credibility away from my theory just because a certain scenario ruins the manga for you, or because you have a crush on madaras brother and want to see him be tobi lol.
you are saying that madaras brother being revived after the madara and senju fight is more plausible than madara creating a zetsu copy of his persona and a fraction of his power? lol good luck to you

 

[DeadSoul]

hey deadsoul please explain the following page to me, you are a reader please tell me what you think the "it" in this situation would be.....

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i can't.

as i keep going back and forth on this certin page of how madara thinks that nagato can revive him. that does not make any sense. nagato did not take madara's soul and does not have it in order to summon it back. as in nagato's jutsu where he can revive the people he killed is because when he kills them there soul goes to his disposal and can do whatever he wants with it, basicly its summoning the soul back to it's original body what we call it revive.

so based on that, madara thinking that nagato can revive him while nagato does not have madara's soul makes no sense really..

but notice how when he got revived untill this moment he mentioned nothing about his clone nor even thought about him. i mean hes acting like he never even made a clone of himself which i'm sure he did not.

 

[The God of Wind]

i can't.

as i keep going back and forth on this certin page of how madara thinks that nagato can revive him. that does not make any sense. nagato did not take madara's soul and does not have it in order to summon it back. as in nagato's jutsu where he can revive the people he killed is because when he kills them there soul goes to his disposal and can do whatever he wants with it, basicly its summoning the soul back to it's original body what we call it revive.

so based on that, madara thinking that nagato can revive him while nagato does not have madara's soul makes no sense really..

but notice how when he got revived untill this moment he mentioned nothing about his clone nor even thought about him. i mean hes acting like he never even made a clone of himself which i'm sure he did not.

well I can
all the answers lie in the demonic statue, when all the beasts are put together inside it the weilder of the rinnegan and hence master of the gedo mazo must get unbelieveable power, strong enough to destroy nations in an instant, revive dead souls from long ago and so on... i bet you that madara even created the gedo mazo , a medium to use hashiramas powers through hashiramas dna, thats why nagato summoned it in his moment of desperation, madara created the mazo and put the rinnegan and the means to use gedo mazo inside nagato, so that he would use its power instinctively at the time he would need it most

 

[DeadSoul]

well I can
all the answers lie in the demonic statue, when all the beasts are put together inside it the weilder of the rinnegan and hence master of the gedo mazo must get unbelieveable power, strong enough to destroy nations in an instant, revive dead souls from long ago and so on... i bet you that madara even created the gedo mazo , a medium to use hashiramas powers through hashiramas dna, thats why nagato summoned it in his moment of desperation, madara created the mazo and put the rinnegan and the means to use gedo mazo inside nagato, so that he would use its power instinctively at the time he would need it most

so basicly, your saying that madara created a real clone of himself useing zetsu's powers and gave nagato the rinnegan and the gedo mazo and told him the goal to gather all of the tailed beasts in hopes of him being revived later? thats like knowing your walking into your death, and if he knew that much he was going to loose then why fight the 1st in the first place. plus he did not consider the failure of that plan? if what your saying is true then madara relayed on nagato way too much as gathering all of the tailed beasts from different nations and them not doing anything about it is really much like 1% if not 0. and the result of that is the current war.

and he should have known that the 5 great nations would declare a war against nagato (or the akatsuki) which leads to his plan failure.

and if what your saying is true, which i suspect it is, then in order to create a white zetsu in the first place he needed hashirama's DNA which he could not passably got in the midst of the fight and got the time to create a new being without hashirama noticing it or anything like that. as any slip against hashirama will get you killed.

and even if he knew that 80000 white zetsus will be created later its obvious that the 5 nations will be victorious.

basically what i'm saying is if that WAS madara's plan to revive him self later..it fails. and it will fail. (or it already did)

 

[The God of Wind]

so basicly, your saying that madara created a real clone of himself useing zetsu's powers and gave nagato the rinnegan and the gedo mazo and told him the goal to gather all of the tailed beasts in hopes of him being revived later? thats like knowing your walking into your death, and if he knew that much he was going to loose then why fight the 1st in the first place. plus he did not consider the failure of that plan? if what your saying is true then madara relayed on nagato way too much as gathering all of the tailed beasts from different nations and them not doing anything about it is really much like 1% if not 0. and the result of that is the current war.

and he should have known that the 5 great nations would declare a war against nagato (or the akatsuki) which leads to his plan failure.

and if what your saying is true, which i suspect it is, then in order to create a white zetsu in the first place he needed hashirama's DNA which he could not passably got in the midst of the fight and got the time to create a new being without hashirama noticing it or anything like that. as any slip against hashirama will get you killed.

and even if he knew that 80000 white zetsus will be created later its obvious that the 5 nations will be victorious.

basically what i'm saying is if that WAS madara's plan to revive him self later..it fails. and it will fail. (or it already did)

why did he fight senju knowing he could not win? to gain his powers, a fact that has been repeated in the manga like a million times. and yeah ur right, his plan failed long ago with the death of pain. but he probably has a new plan involving sasuke somehow