[Theory] the connection of byakugan with the fruit and the new movie
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Hmm... You've done a lot of thinking on this.
The problem is that we have very little to go on, at this point in time. We know that the moon is falling, and we know that Hinata is in "The Last." We also know that Naruto is in it (as well as Sasuke, Sakura, etc).
Beyond that, we really don't know too much.
I still contend that Hagoromo is what Buddhists refer to as Gedo - misguided, heretical. Therefor, his actions will ultimately turn out to be destructive and his influence regarded as negative even if his intentions are good.
We also know very little about the time of and before Kaguya. While she had the Byakugan prior to consuming the fruit - did -she- have chakra? Hagoromo was regarded by Madara as being the first human to be born with chakra - but when Naruto asked if Hagoromo was an alien, the question was avoided.
This implies that there is something about Kaguya that distinguishes her from 'human.'
Within Taoism, there is what is known as the Mystic Female:
""The Valley Spirit never dies.
It is named the Mysterious Female.
And the Doorway of the Mysterious Female
is the base from which Heaven and Earth sprang.
It is there within us all the while;
Draw upon it as you will, it never runs dry."
Tao Te Ching 6
(World Scripture, International Religious Foundation, Paragon House Publishing, 1995 p. 95.)
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The Mystic Female is the 'portal' through which the universe springs to life - through which Taiji and Wuiji pass to produce the cycling of Yin and Yang - which produces the Four Movements that in turn produce the Eight Trigrams (Bagua).
Taoism tends to hold women in reverence, particularly mothers and the relationship of mother/child.
The moon, within Taoism, represents the cycling of yin and yang.
The moon is often used in Taoism as a symbol for the cycling of Yin and Yang. It is the cycling of Yin and Yang that gives rise to what is commonly referred to as the mundane world (the world we experience and consider physical).
It is possible that the moon crashing symbolizes an interruption of the cycle - if this is the case, it would reinforce one of my earlier suspicions that the fruit must be consumed.
Within Chinese and Japanese mythology - there exists the Lunar Rabbit, as well as the princess of the moon, Kaguya (more of a Japanese legend).
Honestly - it's stories like that scattered throughout history that make you wonder about the "ancient aliens" stuff.
Then you have the Lunar Rabbit:
It is quite possible that by imprisoning Kaguya, the natural cycle of Yin and Yang through the Mystic Female has been halted and this will result in the world ceasing to exist (or just pandemonium that is convenient for a plot).
It's really hard to say, though, what Kishimoto will do - or what the anime writing team will suggest to him (or do with his approval).
What you've observed/reasoned may come into play, as well (and may be closer to how things will work than any of my musings over ancient stories and philosophies).
The problem is that we have very little to go on, at this point in time. We know that the moon is falling, and we know that Hinata is in "The Last." We also know that Naruto is in it (as well as Sasuke, Sakura, etc).
Beyond that, we really don't know too much.
I still contend that Hagoromo is what Buddhists refer to as Gedo - misguided, heretical. Therefor, his actions will ultimately turn out to be destructive and his influence regarded as negative even if his intentions are good.
We also know very little about the time of and before Kaguya. While she had the Byakugan prior to consuming the fruit - did -she- have chakra? Hagoromo was regarded by Madara as being the first human to be born with chakra - but when Naruto asked if Hagoromo was an alien, the question was avoided.
This implies that there is something about Kaguya that distinguishes her from 'human.'
Within Taoism, there is what is known as the Mystic Female:
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""The Valley Spirit never dies.
It is named the Mysterious Female.
And the Doorway of the Mysterious Female
is the base from which Heaven and Earth sprang.
It is there within us all the while;
Draw upon it as you will, it never runs dry."
Tao Te Ching 6
(World Scripture, International Religious Foundation, Paragon House Publishing, 1995 p. 95.)
- See more at: http://www.adishakti.org/_/tao_te_ching_doorway_of_the_mysterious_female_is_there_within_us_all_the_while.htm#sthash.tq4MGGSq.dpuf"
The Mystic Female is the 'portal' through which the universe springs to life - through which Taiji and Wuiji pass to produce the cycling of Yin and Yang - which produces the Four Movements that in turn produce the Eight Trigrams (Bagua).
Taoism tends to hold women in reverence, particularly mothers and the relationship of mother/child.
The moon, within Taoism, represents the cycling of yin and yang.
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The moon is often used in Taoism as a symbol for the cycling of Yin and Yang. It is the cycling of Yin and Yang that gives rise to what is commonly referred to as the mundane world (the world we experience and consider physical).
It is possible that the moon crashing symbolizes an interruption of the cycle - if this is the case, it would reinforce one of my earlier suspicions that the fruit must be consumed.
Within Chinese and Japanese mythology - there exists the Lunar Rabbit, as well as the princess of the moon, Kaguya (more of a Japanese legend).
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- The Tale of the Bamboo Cutter - which introduces Lady Kaguya.Honestly - it's stories like that scattered throughout history that make you wonder about the "ancient aliens" stuff.
Then you have the Lunar Rabbit:
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It is quite possible that by imprisoning Kaguya, the natural cycle of Yin and Yang through the Mystic Female has been halted and this will result in the world ceasing to exist (or just pandemonium that is convenient for a plot).
It's really hard to say, though, what Kishimoto will do - or what the anime writing team will suggest to him (or do with his approval).
What you've observed/reasoned may come into play, as well (and may be closer to how things will work than any of my musings over ancient stories and philosophies).
There is no shadow figure behind them in the gravity dimension.
That's not a person. It's just a crack in the wall. If there was someone else there with them, Naruto would have been able to sense them.
While I am not disagreeing with you (I don't believe there was a person, either).
The point could easily be made that this individual had the ability to not be sensed.
Keep in mind that Naruto senses nature, and he had difficulty sensing Kaguya:
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That is the inherent ability of one with a fully enlightened Byakugan.
That doesn't say anything about Naruto not being able to sense her. That's just saying when she travels through the portals it erases her presence, because she's temporarily going into a different dimension.
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Spare for the whole "one with nature" comment.
Her actions and her attacks are more difficult for him to sense.
All one must logically do is extend the premise to presence. The fact that Naruto didn't sense someone doesn't meant that they are not there. Perhaps he doesn't have negative emotions and he is also one with nature.
Naruto was in his Rikudou Sage Mode. And not to mention he was able to combine Sage Mode with his Kyuubi Mode.
And since Sage Mode allows him to sense nature, such as with the Juubi, he was able to sense Kaguya as well.
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That was nicely well done however I believe the Hyuga is the royal bloodline of the Ootsutski and the byakugan is a celestial dojutsu which don't see part of the juubi aka the holy fruit.
Here In Viz Translation Hiashi even refers Neji as a "Divine" Shinobi and that goes saying something about "Aliens"
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Here In Viz Translation Hiashi even refers Neji as a "Divine" Shinobi and that goes saying something about "Aliens"
Ι'm so happy you commented, you always add so many interesting ideas =D
On topic: What you said about the fall of moon being the symbolism of a disorder between Yin and Yang can be what I said about the ending of the circle or hatred and Hagoromo's spirit which finally rests in peace, losing in that way control over the moon. As for the halting of natural order because of the imprisoning of Kaguya, well, if that's the case, why it didn't happen as well when she was first sealed?
Wow, it's the first time Viz translation bears so much importance. Indeed, divine blood is not something that you can overlook easily.
I'll add to the OP!
Indeed and thank youAmazing and very detailed theory
I enjoyed reading it much, but I am not sure about identity of new character in The last movie... anyway
Be it Hamura or lover of Kaguya, sure it give thrill and increase anticipation for waiting
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Hyuuga's knowledge may have a relation to the upcoming plot and the introduction of new character in the movie
Hanabi may have the essential characteristics in order to become the new vessel, but how will they extract 'Demon Rabbit' from Chibaku Tensei in order to fulfill the plan is still a mystery [Including the idea that the core may weaken after Hagoromos absence]
All around nice read, you've certainly put a lot of thought onto this !!
Hanabi may have the essential characteristics in order to become the new vessel, but how will they extract 'Demon Rabbit' from Chibaku Tensei in order to fulfill the plan is still a mystery [Including the idea that the core may weaken after Hagoromos absence]
All around nice read, you've certainly put a lot of thought onto this !!
Thank you!
Well I guess that this new guy must be quite powerful. I was even thinking the scenario of him being capable of opening, even for a little, Kaguya's portals to her dimensions