[Theory] The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]

[ArchAngel7777]

Thank you if you could use the manga this would be so much easier. Also still skeptical on wood release being the only power from the yang release.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Thank you if you could use the manga this would be so much easier. Also still skeptical on wood release being the only power from the yang release.

Mokuton is not the only power of the Juubi's Yang, but it is the ultimate manifestation of that Yang power, what the ordinary Senjus have in similitude are their strong bodies empowered by the Juubi's Yang.

 

[veggetta13]

The juubi isn´t as menacing as its supposed to. Brute it is, but shouldn´t it be a bit more fearless and destructive?

I agree on the moukuton... In all honesty, the most menacing force I´ve seen on Naruto is Madara. i hope there are hundreds of pages left to be created by KishI regarding the shinobi clans and their teachings inherited to Madara and the nice ppl squad

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The juubi isn´t as menacing as its supposed to. Brute it is, but shouldn´t it be a bit more fearless and destructive?

I agree on the moukuton... In all honesty, the most menacing force I´ve seen on Naruto is Madara. i hope there are hundreds of pages left to be created by KishI regarding the shinobi clans and their teachings inherited to Madara and the nice ppl squad

I see your point

 

[FearxDeath]

I wanted to rep and thank you for this but I forgot I already had... Your a freakin genius for putting this together.. bookmarking for future use as we speak. So many times I want to reference this thread and could not find the link to it.

 

[ReverseZero12]

Damn, this is pretty interesting and well put together. I love it. I thought it was some noob/troll writing random crap but this was intelligently written.
Great job

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Damn, this is pretty interesting and well put together. I love it. I thought it was some noob/troll writing random crap but this was intelligently written.
Great job

Thank you sir.

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

Thanks for this thread (first time i clicked thanks for something.. needed to look for it)
But continuing on the why madara needed the uzumaki dead..

Can you think of a reason why he needed the uchiha dead... cause i'm guessing that would be for similar reasons and not for some mindless feelings of vengeance or whatever.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Thanks for this thread (first time i clicked thanks for something.. needed to look for it)
But continuing on the why madara needed the uzumaki dead..

Can you think of a reason why he needed the uchiha dead... cause i'm guessing that would be for similar reasons and not for some mindless feelings of vengeance or whatever.

The Sharingan posted a danger to the Eye of the Moon Plan because of its innate potential to resist Genjutsu, and since the Uchihas didn't really ally themselves with Madara, they needed to be eliminated as a potential threat.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Point 1:
Scroll of Sealing:

The "scroll" on the Statue of THe sage in madara's genjutsu is actually the sages outstretched arms, as he is holding a staff. Or does the scroll have hands?
The spirals on his robes are nothing more than spirals. They arent even Uzumaki spirals, So that is useless. Maybye they just represend his robes swirling?
The scrolls that hashirama senju has in that picture are taller than he is, while the scroll of goes up to naruto's waist.
Whether or not the scroll did originate from Uzumakigakure is irrelevent, as i have allready proved that it was not in possetion of the sage.
Also, Kushina tought Minato the 8 trigrams seal, and you say that Mito gave it to hashirama, so where did Kushina get it?


Point 2:
The spirals in the elder sons eyes.
Their spirals. Their is nothing more to say. The uzumaki symbol is based on whirlpools.
I'll accept that the sharingan is the eyes of the juubi, but thats not uzumaki like at all.

Pont 3:
Ok. The KinGin bros have lots of chakra.
Now, what clans are famed for that?
Uzumaki Senju Uchiha.
2 of those are decended from the sage, and one cant be. Irrelevent of whether the sage is an uzumaki, his children were uchiha and senju, therefore, he cant have any uzumaki decendants.
So, if they are uzumaki's like you think, they arent related to the sgae, which isnt confirmed anyway.

Point 4:
THe Sage is not a village.
YOu said that the process of making a jinchuriki was developed by the sage.
The eight trigrams seal was developed by the uzumaki village.
Konoha was the first hidden village.
Hshirama set it up after a war with the uchiha.
The sages sons had therefor been a long time ago.
If Konoha was the first, and made a very long time after the sage, How could he ahve been in uzumakigakure?

Point 5:
Old toads.
THis has no evidence to go on that you provided. So i cant rip it all to shreds.

Point 6:
Sealing Jutsu's and Lineage
Chibaku tensei is not a fuinjustu.
The sage used it to dispose of the gedo mazo.
Why is nagato described as "of the senju lineage" if he could be "from The Sage of the Six paths Clan" Surely its more logical that the uzumaki is a branch of the senju.


Point 7:
Madara's first Genocide
Nagato was from amegakure, and he was born there, so that cant be it.
Also, what was Sunagakure doing then?

Part 8&9
Shinigami and Uchiha Tablet.
Is it beyond the bounds of possibility that the uchiha stole the tablet, or the Uzumaki stole the mask?
The theory you had in pt 9 had nothing to do with the sage.

Part 10
Candles
If candles represent sancticity, how is it surprising that two rituals have them for the same reasons? Their not even in a similar pattern. The sage isnt even sealing anything then.

Part 11
Theres more than one priest clan.
How about the temple in the land of fire that sora is from?

part 12
The chart.

A good chart, but it does not mention the uzumaki, so it cannot be used as evidence in whether the sage was an uzumaki or not.
Plus, its not done by kishi, so it could be wrong.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

here i want to add one more important point which indicates that the rikodou is a uzmaki which is that the ONLY UZMAKI PEOPLE are capable of being alive AFTER EXTRACTING THE BIJUU'S out from their bodies like in the case of KUSHINA and MITO this indicates how RIKODOU was alive after EXTRACTING a JUUBI from his body.....

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

here i want to add one more important point which indicates that the rikodou is a uzmaki which is that the ONLY UZMAKI PEOPLE are capable of being alive AFTER EXTRACTING THE BIJUU'S out from their bodies like in the case of KUSHINA and MITO this indicates how RIKODOU was alive after EXTRACTING a JUUBI from his body.....

The sage just has a strong life force. if he didnt, he wouldnt have been able to be a jinchuriki.

Also, he split the juubi into the bijuu whil it was sttill inside him. I mean he took parts of its chakra when he was the jin and formed them into the bijuu.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

here i want to add one more important point which indicates that the rikodou is a uzmaki which is that the ONLY UZMAKI PEOPLE are capable of being alive AFTER EXTRACTING THE BIJUU'S out from their bodies like in the case of KUSHINA and MITO this indicates how RIKODOU was alive after EXTRACTING a JUUBI from his body.....

Yes, I covered that part in my theory

 

[san1234]

Great theory, I was looking something like this.since naruto is uzumaki and he has shown something power ful techinque against kurama and sealed while he was taking control over kurama 's chakara.then kurama mentioned something like "this....is sage of six path".Since naruto possescontrol some or much chakara of kurama , in similar fashion to that of Ridukuo mutation after gaining control over ten tail, posses some unimagineable power. in similar fashion naruto too ,some extent got some new power or got possesion of some power that reminded him of sage of six path.
and just recentlyy he wass shown with rinnegan during the battle with ten tails.This may be the fact that naruto gaining some unique power like ridikuo;s rinnegan or he is getting rinnegan like sage.
Since naruto is uzumaki , sage , and jhinchuri of power beast like 9 tails and some chakara from other beast (like sage was of ten tails ,powerfull beast) ,he has also got partial ten tail chakara or he is also like Jubito ,just need some time to get complete mixture
of chakara of jubi.

this is why jubito attack naruto because he is another sage of six path(who was also uzumaki clan) thinking him as the threat.

 

[ethris]

if i can find this theory all over the internet how am i supposed to know you even made it -_-

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

if i can find this theory all over the internet how am i supposed to know you even made it -_-

This is merely a compilation of all the theories I've made since february, if you see them somewhere else they link it to this thread

 

[DarkWolf Nashoba]

if i can find this theory all over the internet how am i supposed to know you even made it -_-

Keep in mind that this particular thread has over 40 thousand views.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Sir Derp Obito's threads are one of the original (if not the original) source(s) of such ideas concerning Rikudō Sennin's heritage.
There are few other places on the internet that present well-posed hypotheses quite as thoroughly as you will find here.

Do you recall the Leibniz-Newton calculus controversy?
Both Leibniz and Newton claimed to have invented the methods of calculus before the other, which suggests that one of the two may have copied some of the ideals of the other and expanded upon it in their own way.
However, I believe (based on minimal evidence) that both Newton and Leibniz invented portions of calculus independently at about the same time. We know that from early manuscripts and unpublished works by Newton that he began with derivatives, whereas Leibniz began with integration -- the summation of infinite series with infinitesimal partitions. These are opposite directions of achieving the same fundamental theorem of calculus! It's like Newton traveled from the North Pole to the equator and Leibniz traveled from the South Pole to the equator.

Anyways, the point of this analogy is that many different people can come up with the same idea, but why does it matter if Sir Derp Obito is the best at compiling facts to back up his claims anyway?

 

[boshans]

I know I have said this before, but the only thing i really don't agree with is the sage getting the rinnegan because of the juubi. We can assume that the sage learned the secrets of ninjutsu because he had the rinnegan, or at least i assume that. If he didn't know the secrets of ninjutsu before battling the juubi, meaning he didn't have ninjutsu the way we know it in the current timeline, i don't see how he could have possibly beaten the juubi. It's the juubi, in its final form, and somehow you think the sage could have beaten it without ninjutsu as we know it or without the rinnegan? Even if he had some hyuga techniques as I have read somewhere else, even a byakugan, i don't see how that would have Been Enough. Not to mention he sealed the juubi, how would he have had a fuuinjutsu powerful enough to seal the juubi without the rinnegan or knowing the secrets of ninjutsu?

Plus I think the.elder son had spiral eyes instead of the rinnegan, was because the sages rinnegan, which he had before the juubi, became Mutated in his son because of the influence of the juubi inside of the sage.

 

[boshans]

Sorry double post...phone is stupid.

 

[roner]

i believe the Sage of the Six Paths is an uzumaki.,many of us believe that only a uzumaki can survive after the Bijuus have been extracted,.
As always nice Theory Sir Derp Obito,,