[Theory] The Case Of Rikudou Sennin Being An Uzumaki [Full Version]
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Where did you get that translation from?The Rinnegan literally translates as "The Eye of Suffering"
It's literal translation would be "The Samsara eye" or "The eye of endless rebirth", of course being the same thing.
Does your theory explain why no other Uzumaki has awakened the Rinnegan? Or, the fact that the manga has explicitly stated that the Uzumaki are only distant relatives of the Senju, and why there has been no mention of them having relations to the Uchiha?
Rikudou Sennin was revered as a God like figure, the first to discover the properties of chakra and founding the Shinobi Sect, as he accumulated power over his lifetime and gave birth to sons, ninja clans then followed on after him, his bloodline split between two, and then their children would inherit some of their power and the family tree would branch outwards, with parts of the power breaking off further and further, in which case the Uzumaki Clan would be formed and grow with the people of the clan inheriting the life force. Of course, genetic mutations would have occured and caused changes to pre-existing traits and form new traits.
Somebody has to start the ball rolling for the shinobi world and clans, as it won't roll by itself.
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Yes, the Samsaric Wheel, the six realms of suffering wherein men are trapped in a cycle of death and rebirth.
The Rinnegan came from the Juubi, that is why the Uzumakis could not awaken the Rinnegan, it is because they do not have the Juubi's essence inside them, for they descended not from Rikudou Sennin but from Rikudou's Uzumakis relatives, he himself coming from the same heritage.
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Isn't this 'essence' just a hypothetical construct? All Doujutsu have shown to have a purely genetic basis and we know all the Rinnegan requires is the genes of the Senju + Uchiha and that = Rikudou's bloodline.
I noticed you slid over a lot of I said in my original post. :hyper:
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the image you have with the sage having a scroll I believe those are arms.
I really like the chart at the end.
Zetsu could have meant they were related to the younger son, and then one day the powers of the younger son split into two. The people from the Uzumaki clan could have inherited the special chakra Kushina and Mito have, the body of the sage that could contain powerful tailed, and a powerful life force and long lives. The Senju might have inherited high stamina and the rest of the younger brothers powers.
Also if the uzumaki clan wasn't a decendant then why would "Tobi" have commented that Naruto was fighting sasuke like the elder and younger brothers fought.
I really like the chart at the end.
Zetsu could have meant they were related to the younger son, and then one day the powers of the younger son split into two. The people from the Uzumaki clan could have inherited the special chakra Kushina and Mito have, the body of the sage that could contain powerful tailed, and a powerful life force and long lives. The Senju might have inherited high stamina and the rest of the younger brothers powers.
Also if the uzumaki clan wasn't a decendant then why would "Tobi" have commented that Naruto was fighting sasuke like the elder and younger brothers fought.
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The hand of the Sage is actually protruding from his robe:
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The rectangular object is clearly above the shoulder area, so it's highly improbable that they are his arms, not to mention that his effigy is in a sitting position, so its highly unlikely his arms are spread.
So the object on his back is most definitely a scroll, as seen with the scroll caps at the end sides.
And it is highly unlikely that the Uzumakis descended from the Younger Son, quite the contrary, the Younger and Elder Sons descended from an Uzumaki: Rikudou Sennin, the Younger and Elder Sons are literally the Yin and the Yang of the Juubi created with Creation of All Things like the Bijuus, that is why their powers are so evenly split, it's because their conception was not biological, but mystical.
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Don't get me wrong Im not saying your wrong I just need something concrete said like... The sage talking Naruto and saying "I never thought someone decendant from my sister, with her whisker marks, could have done all this.
Also I have to bring up chapter 462, and how the masked man said that the descendants of the brothers have been fighting, Tobi wouldn't made the analogy between the Naruto and Sasuke if Naruto wasn't related to the younger son. If Minato was somehow related to the senju then hats off to you sir... that was a nice catch.*_*
I do believe naruto will be another sage of the six paths, that doesn't mean the sage was an uzumaki.
I think the image isn't drawn to scale. Also, the "caps" are holding the staff. I believe the "robe" is just the backround the reason his shoulders appear to be above the shoulder joint is because its a style of drawing. I don't believe the lines are a robe, I think that's just the back of the ten tails mouth and the corners just show the mouth going back. So what if he's in the sitting position, he can still stretch his arms out. Naruto had his scroll down to his waist. It really doesn't matter to me...
I think you're ideas are great, but I just think that I should bring up some points.
Great ideas keep them coming.
Also I have to bring up chapter 462, and how the masked man said that the descendants of the brothers have been fighting, Tobi wouldn't made the analogy between the Naruto and Sasuke if Naruto wasn't related to the younger son. If Minato was somehow related to the senju then hats off to you sir... that was a nice catch.*_*
I do believe naruto will be another sage of the six paths, that doesn't mean the sage was an uzumaki.
I think the image isn't drawn to scale. Also, the "caps" are holding the staff. I believe the "robe" is just the backround the reason his shoulders appear to be above the shoulder joint is because its a style of drawing. I don't believe the lines are a robe, I think that's just the back of the ten tails mouth and the corners just show the mouth going back. So what if he's in the sitting position, he can still stretch his arms out. Naruto had his scroll down to his waist. It really doesn't matter to me...
I think you're ideas are great, but I just think that I should bring up some points.
Great ideas keep them coming.
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Naruto could not represent the Younger Son because then he would be representing the Body/Yang of the Juubi much like the Uchihas represent the Eye/Yin of the Juubi which is absurd. The Uzumaki is Rikudou's original bloodline prior to becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, it is Rikudou's human heritage, and that is why Naruto is an Uzumaki and not a Senju, for as an Uzumaki, Naruto represents the human Rikudou prior to becoming the Juubi's Jinchuuriki.
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Again, I have my evidence from chapter 462, so you need to prove me wrong. Also why can't he represent the body of the sage. I'm not saying you are wrong I'm just saying that you simply need the evidence that Minato is related to the senju, because the analogy is made between senju and uchia, and Naruto and Sasuke. I don't believe you should dismiss an idea just because its "absurd" why would it be absurd he has some characteristics of the senju ancestor spike hair, strong will, powerful life force, etc.
I still believe its biological.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying we have two theories and we have to find evidence to support our claims. I am just saying that you use theories to support your claims instead of concreate evidence.
I still believe its biological.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying we have two theories and we have to find evidence to support our claims. I am just saying that you use theories to support your claims instead of concreate evidence.
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The Younger Son lacks something that Rikūdo and Naruto as an Uzumaki represents: friendship with the Bijūs, Kurama despised Madara but he did not think highly of Hashirama either, and Hashirama represents the Younger Son, for the former enslaved him while the latter subdued him.
Naruto's abilities come from his Uzumaki heritage, the traits of the Uzumakis are innate to them. The abilities of the Senjus stems from tne Jūbi's Yang power
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Yes but even though Naruto is caring towards the bijus that doesn't mean they are related. Ideals don't mean they are related a lot of people in the village have the will of fire, but I doubt they are all blood related. Also Kurama didn't think to highly of Kushina or Mito, who were both members of the Uzumaki clan. Also the younger brother or older brother could have liked and respected the tailed beasts, but we don't know.
Don't get me wrong I notieced that Gedo was wooden and that the Jubi has a lot of Plant like related things.
Yang governs the soul=life force. Also I believe that kabuto's technique which allows him to control inorganic matter in manga chapter 582 and make it do his bidding is also yang release. I believe this to be the case so if this were the case wouldn't the younger son have the a natural ability to perform would release. Because combinding water and earth chakra would give you wood, but lets say that this natural affinity was combined with yang release would give you a very strong wood release like Harashima. Now another way this could go is that the jubi simply has this form since its like a big ball of natural energy and is like a force of nature so that's why it has a plant form.
Also, lets say that the younger son inherited the jubi's body, and the elder had the eye. I don't believe the Demon's chakra influence can last through many generations, because Look at Tsunade she doesn't have the wisker marks. Mito was the first hokage's wife and she gave birth to with the seal, and it looks like her grandchildren don't have any signs of Kurama's chakra influencing it.
Also if you look at the background the people from the Uzumaki side don't have red hair. So it seems that not everyone has read hair.
To go along with your theory with the Senju's body coming from the Jubi, what is the Uzumaki clan was the sages body without the Jubi's influence weeded out. The Hyuuga clan could be the same except the Elder brother with most of the Jubi's influence weeded out.
I still think the younger son's descendants are the Uzumaki and the Senju combind.
Don't get me wrong I notieced that Gedo was wooden and that the Jubi has a lot of Plant like related things.
Yang governs the soul=life force. Also I believe that kabuto's technique which allows him to control inorganic matter in manga chapter 582 and make it do his bidding is also yang release. I believe this to be the case so if this were the case wouldn't the younger son have the a natural ability to perform would release. Because combinding water and earth chakra would give you wood, but lets say that this natural affinity was combined with yang release would give you a very strong wood release like Harashima. Now another way this could go is that the jubi simply has this form since its like a big ball of natural energy and is like a force of nature so that's why it has a plant form.
Also, lets say that the younger son inherited the jubi's body, and the elder had the eye. I don't believe the Demon's chakra influence can last through many generations, because Look at Tsunade she doesn't have the wisker marks. Mito was the first hokage's wife and she gave birth to with the seal, and it looks like her grandchildren don't have any signs of Kurama's chakra influencing it.
Also if you look at the background the people from the Uzumaki side don't have red hair. So it seems that not everyone has read hair.
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To go along with your theory with the Senju's body coming from the Jubi, what is the Uzumaki clan was the sages body without the Jubi's influence weeded out. The Hyuuga clan could be the same except the Elder brother with most of the Jubi's influence weeded out.
I still think the younger son's descendants are the Uzumaki and the Senju combind.
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Mokuton is the manifestation of the ultimate Yang Power of the Jūbi much like the MS/EMS is the ultimate manifestation of the Jūbi's Yin power.
Kabuto said that all people from the Uzumaki Clan have red hair
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The Uzumakis most definitely preceded the Senjus and Uchihas, along with their ancestors the Elder and Younger Sons who were created at a later time like the Bijūs
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