The 5 strongest abilities and prime hiruzen has none of them

[Obito the supreme jin]

Manga has clearly shown that he wasn't the strongest yet his fapboys refuse to believe that. Yes Hinata did get captured by a Kumo Nin and as the Hokage he must have taken responsibility for it.

He isn't the strongest Hokage in history and didn't Hiruzen itself state in his prime that Tobirama was the strongest so that's why he must sacrifice himself.

 

[Jokule67]

First off, Where do you think the legend of hashirama's strength came from?. People in his Era? People that wittness the aftermath of his power? People that fought beside him or against him in the Senju vs uchiha war?

Iv'e already shown a very rough timeline for Hiruzen's hokage Reign, His Titles of God and strongest kage only came along a decade (give or take a fe years) after tobirama died which was mere years after hashirama died. People who started such legends, Fought along side him or against him (on the uchiha side) or even witnessed the aftermath of his battle with madara first hand. Unless they all died out in the 20years hiruzen was hokage or the 10 or so years he gained such hype a number of them were alive during hiruzen gaining such praise.



Hiruzen was only comparable to the other kage during his old and weakened state, Even then he was considered to be the strongest of the lot.
During his younger days it's pretty clear that no kage nor shinobi could compare due to him being hailed as a God of shinobi compared to other shinobi at the time. which included extremely powerful shinobi like, 3rd raikage, Hanzo, 3rd kazekage (hailed as the strongest kazekage), Young Onoki and such.

If hiruzen's strength was so believable, He wouldn't of been dubbed the god of his Era now would he.



if i have reason or not, Doesn't make my points any less valid.

Why do you keep thinking Im am bashing Hiruzen. You think Hiruzen so strong he could beat all current(his reign) kage at once? Simply no dude. He was consudered the strongest of course but you take it out of context.

Not many have even heard of or seen Hashis real power. They compare their guesses with what they see in front of them being Hiruzen. Those who hear about Hashirama true power think it s fairytale. Even Tsunade his grandaughter never seen his real techniques, nor did any other kage there including tsuchikage who is as old as Hiruzen.

Hiruzen does not compare to a "Fairytale" bro. He only compared to everyone else other than Hashi/Maddy. Compare does not mean weaker so stop thinking that because nobody is invincible. I am simply saying no ninja is on those to level its been stated in the manga.

You keep looking at part 1 scans but deny part2. You have to look at everything and see how kishi set it up for Hashi to always be the best cuz he knew what he said in part1 about hiruzen. Noone knows Hashi/Maddy real power. Even when he fought Maddy in War Arc as an edo the people were suprised out their a$$es.

 

[Aznkidd]

Why do you keep thinking Im am bashing Hiruzen. You think Hiruzen so strong he could beat all current(his reign) kage at once? Simply no dude. He was consudered the strongest of course but you take it out of context.

Not many have even heard of or seen Hashis real power. They compare their guesses with what they see in front of them being Hiruzen. Those who hear about Hirizen true power think it s fairytale. Even Tsunade his grandaughter never seen his real techniques, nor did any other kage there including tsuchikage who is as old as Hiruzen.

Hirizen does not compare to a "Fairytale" bro. He only compared to everyone else other than Hashi/Maddy. Compare does notean weaker so stop thinking that because nobody is invincible.

tsuchikage and his teacher fought with Madara....

Prime Hiruzen by the way the manga described, he also fought with jinton and able to neutralize it too :lol

 

[salamander uchiha]

Databook also says that Itachi's Yata Mirror can defend from any attack, and that Kakashi's Raikiri can pierce anything. So...which is it?

Temari blowing away the universe is an oldie but a goodie from the databooks as well.

Yata Mirror since it matches Raikiri nature and makes it irrelevant. Everything must me looked at in context.
Anyway Hiruzen is fodder

 

[SenseiSama]

Manga has clearly shown that he wasn't the strongest yet his fapboys refuse to believe that. Yes Hinata did get captured by a Kumo Nin and as the Hokage he must have taken responsibility for it.

He isn't the strongest Hokage in history and didn't Hiruzen itself state in his prime that Tobirama was the strongest so that's why he must sacrifice himself.

He was the strongest non-Otsutsuki that's undeniable, the only non-Otsutsuki to be called a shinobi god and be compared to the Senju bros without being a transmigrant

 

[Meekz89]

is the 8 gates even considered a jutsu? even if it is, only dai and gai is known to able to achieve the last gate

It's a Konoha jutsu and Hiruzen MASTERED all.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

He was the strongest non-Otsutsuki that's undeniable, the only non-Otsutsuki to be called a shinobi god and be compared to the Senju bros without being a transmigrant

Compared to the Senju bros

All of Hiruzen's feats have been greatly exaggerated and even in his prime he acknowledged that Tobirama is the strongest hence he was the one that was sent to be a decoy.

Minato is a non Oosutsuki and he could have wrecked him in his prime. Using basic ninjutsus very proficiently doesn't put him on Hashirama's level.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

this is still going? Isn't our main source of info on "prime" hiruzen ebisu?? Yea no thanks...It must be easy to be called a God of shinobi when the 1st is dead and the 2nd had to sacrifice himself cause you weren't strong enough to take out 20 jonin with an entire platoon... But ok

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

this is still going? Isn't our main source of info on "prime" hiruzen ebisu?? Yea no thanks...It must be easy to be called a God of shinobi when the 1st is dead and the 2nd had to sacrifice himself cause you weren't strong enough to take out 20 jonin with an entire platoon... But ok

@Bold, when the name Prime Hiruzen was mentioned the discussion will go on forever talking about whether his feats are legit and in what time frame. This is still going because I was inactive for a couple of days and decided to reply to SS.

Hiruzen being the strongest in his generation must mean that the other Kages during his time must have been weak af except Onoki.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

@Bold, when the name Prime Hiruzen was mentioned the discussion will go on forever talking about whether his feats are legit and in what time frame. This is still going because I was inactive for a couple of days and decided to reply to SS.

Hiruzen being the strongest in his generation must mean that the other Kages during his time must have been weak af except Onoki.

Ah word, I wasn't necessarily responding to you personally, just suprised, it's plausible and all but I mean.... It's ebisu telling the story isn't it?.... Iirc he was lying about how strong he himself was right before he starts telling naruto about the 3rd(again, iirc)

Edit: the fact that he was so damn strong, yet couldn't neg 20 fodder jonin alongside tobirama, danzo, and kagami, and I'm sure some nameless fodder was there too just shows hype is hype

 

[salamander uchiha]

He was strongest known shinobi could achieve outside of kekkei genkai or its likes. Outside all of elite ninja clans and excluding unique abilities. Now that would be Iruka sensei achievement potential if he trained like the 3rd.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Ah word, I wasn't necessarily responding to you personally, just suprised, it's plausible and all but I mean.... It's ebisu telling the story isn't it?.... Iirc he was lying about how strong he himself was right before he starts telling naruto about the 3rd(again, iirc)

Yeah Ebisu can't be trusted but even so Orochimaru during their battle mentioned his prime and how he was undefeated back then. If he was so great, why did we never get to see his strongest form and please don't mention plot nerfs because I think there must have been something else rather that prevented Kishi from portraying PH.

Edit: the fact that he was so damn strong, yet couldn't neg 20 fodder jonin alongside tobirama, danzo, and kagami, and I'm sure some nameless fodder was there too just shows hype is hype

I am pretty sure those Jonin weren't fodder lmao, otherwise Tobirama would have come out alive from that encounter. The thing I see a lot of Hiruzen fans denying is the fact that during his supposed prime era he acknowledged Tobirama as the strongest and hence why he was elected for the sacrifice. Tobirama didn't say he was stronger than himself. Hiruzen is all about hype and people's claims, no legit feats.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Yeah Ebisu can't be trusted but even so Orochimaru during their battle mentioned his prime and how he was undefeated back then. If he was so great, why did we never get to see his strongest form and please don't mention plot nerfs because I think there must have been something else rather that prevented Kishi from portraying PH.



I am pretty sure those Jonin weren't fodder lmao, otherwise Tobirama would have come out alive from that encounter. The thing I see a lot of Hiruzen fans denying is the fact that during his supposed prime era he acknowledged Tobirama as the strongest and hence why he was elected for the sacrifice. Tobirama didn't say he was stronger than himself. Hiruzen is all about hype and people's claims, no legit feats.

I know they weren't total fodder, I think that's more of a mistake on kishis part tbh. But really? Tobirama, hiruzen, danzo, kagami, an one or 2? Other dudes couldn't take 20 of what are essentially nv's red shirts? (Nameless nin) Nevertheless i agree with you. Honestly he's only hailed as a god of shinobi by konoha villagers and nin, it's easy to see people thinking that with the 1st and 2nd not around anymore. I'm not even knocking hiruzen or saying he's anything near trash or fodder. Just saying the legend is just that, a konoha legend

 

[SenseiSama]

Compared to the Senju bros

All of Hiruzen's feats have been greatly exaggerated and even in his prime he acknowledged that Tobirama is the strongest hence he was the one that was sent to be a decoy.

Minato is a non Oosutsuki and he could have wrecked him in his prime. Using basic ninjutsus very proficiently doesn't put him on Hashirama's level.

Minato in his prime got rekt by Obito, and he was never even considered a god like the Senjus and Hiruzen. Nothing is greatly exagerrated in fact Hiruzen was the one that was greatly nerfed.

Learning all of the jutsu in Konoha would also include sealing techs like FTG and hiden techs like shadow possession style. He's basically the example of what Orochimaru wanted to be using a Sharingan

 

[gerizzyYMcrew]

Minato in his prime got rekt by Obito, and he was never even considered a god like the Senjus and Hiruzen. Nothing is greatly exagerrated in fact Hiruzen was the one that was greatly nerfed.

Learning all of the jutsu in Konoha would also include sealing techs like FTG and hiden techs like shadow possession style. He's basically the example of what Orochimaru wanted to be using a Sharingan

stopped reading @ bold

 

[MickNerks]

• Expansion Jutsu + Emna allows him to compete with Susanoo's
• Eight Gates allowed him to compete with Sage Modes
• Monkey King Enma could compete with Bijuu
• Master of all Elements, all forms of taijutsu, all forms of ninjutsu, and all forms of genjutsu allowed him to compete with Rinnegan
• His Shadow clones using Eight Gates allowed him to fight Eight Gate users without Dying

So I don't understand why this thread was even made. Just another attempt to HATE on a great naruto character and devalue his abilities.

Death Demon Seal negs Everyone soooooooooooooooo.