LoZelda101
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did it state that he was the strongest in pts or shippuden? if it's the former then it's clearly not valid the moment kishi reintroduced the 1st and 2nd hokages powerlvls, especially if you factor in madara in the equation.
The 5 strongest abilities and prime hiruzen has none of them
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Kabuto's statement was about the current generation. Similar to how the kids of Konohamaru generation didn't believe Iruka when he was telling them about Hiruzen's strength/past glory.
It's only logical that those a few generations past cannot believe the monsters that live that long ago.
When Hiruzen Gained his Hokage Title, God of shinobi title and Strongest hokage title was obviously during his younger days, When People were around during Hashirama and tobirama's time knew of them and even fought beside them. Unless everyone in the Senju clan and everyone In hashirama/Tobirama's gen all died out in the short time between their deaths.
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FervantMage4747
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Hiruzen was a basic ninja in my opinion. The only good things about him were his staff and reaper death seal, but still minato and oruchimaru mastered that.
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LoZelda101
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Hiruzen was not at his prime when appointed Hokage and the war era of Senju/Uchiha was over meaning many clans had not seen Hashi full power. Not many have even seen Perfect Susanoo bro. But top tier ninjas know not to mess with them like you said.
By the Time Hiruzen became full on adult Hashi Power was considered fairy tale. It manga fact bro stated by Kabuto himself who made that statement on Hiruzen.
Hiruzem was Hokage for a LOONG time his power endured so of course he was revered by the people labeling him.
LoZelda101
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lmao, i Negged your shitty response so you result to this. I never said 5 strongest "characters", I said 5 strongest abilities. :lol
i'll give your slow brain cell time to try to figure out what comes next :tea:
Thats the thing in part two Kishi made Kabuto say that Hashi power is considered make believe and that in pts they were not at full power. Even in part2 they were only "almost" at full power, not quite there.
All of Hiruzens hype is in part 1, but its still credible if you label in his age, the people's knowlegde, and other kages during his reign.
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LoZelda101
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enhance feats, not jutsus. granted rinnegan hype is from using jutsus. but it still has useful feats without it's 6paths.
SenseiSama
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Except, Madara, Hashirama, Sasuke and Naruo makes 4 characters. Hiruzen is still in top 5
LoZelda101
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lmao no. i'll even put nagato, obito, minato and MS itachi above hiruzen :lolExcept, Madara, Hashirama, Sasuke and Naruo makes 4 characters. Hiruzen is still in top 5
all 4 who fits into this 5 ability category.
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SenseiSama
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Minato has nothing to overpower Hiruzen. FTG is a Konoha tech which means the 3rd is able to use it.
LoZelda101
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even "if" he could use it, doesn't necessary mean he could use it as effectively as minato, iirc tobirama credited minato for having the better FTG, so what proof do you have hiruzen FTG is on the same lvl or beyond minato's? :lol
Maybe they had not seen his full power but they defiantly had seen the aftermath of such power which created VOTE or seen/heard the battle from afar with the bijuu dama's and such flying about.
The time Gap between Hashirama/Tobirama's death is most likely a few years at best due to hashirama actually knowing tsunade.
Hiruzen was 69 when he died in part 1 and during part 1 tsunade was 51. Hiruzen is only 18 years older than Tsunade and she looked about what 4/5ish during Hashirama's flash back of her. So lets say tsunade was 5, That makes hiruzen at least 23 while hashirama was alive.
Then maybe a few years later give or take tobirama died, Meaning hiruzen was atleast in his Mid/late 20's maybe early 30's when he became hokage.
Now Hiruzen retired and handed his title over when he was in his 50's i think between 51-53. Now that means at the most he was hokage for 20 odd years before Minato took over. Making his prime between Mid/late 20's and his early 50's
So i'd think it's safe to assume his Prime was between his early 30's to his Early/Mid 40's. Which isn't really that long after Both Hashirama's and Tobirama's death. So again, Unless everyone in the senju that fought along side him and All the uchiha that fought against him and the senju's died in that 20 Years i doubt it reached full fairytail status until many years later.
Now i'm not denying kabuto's statement but it depends on which generation his statement was targeted towards, He was only 24 in part 1, If he was talking about his gen (meaning the current gen the point in time the statement was made) his statement was entirely correct. it was a fairytail to the current living generation who has never witnessed his fight at all nor witnessed first hand the battle scars he left they're just told it in the history books and such.
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Char Aznable
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Not even close.
Hiruzen can't do FTG, doesn't know the seals for Edo Tensei (otherwise he would've cancelled the jutsu himself like Madara did), Rasengan, Raikiri/Chidori, Chakra Enhanced Strength, the 8 Gates, Gentle Fist jutsus that don't require Byakugan, Size Manipulation Jutsu, and Sage Modes (which aren't localized to Konoha).
Hiruzen is all hype and not facts.