I could say the same concerning the Sage and his reincarnation (Naruto) coming from the same heritage, you see, your argument hinges on the subjective placing of value in literary merit which itself is a categorical error in that you present it as an objective reason in your argument.
That itself is subjective, I could say the same, if Minato was Naruto's father, Naruto would still be the same and Minato would still have been the Fourth Hokage. You see, you are placing your personal subjective valuation as a literary criterion for objective analysis and argument of the Manga, that is your fallacy.
That itself is subjective, I could say the same, if Minato was Naruto's father, Naruto would still be the same and Minato would still have been the Fourth Hokage. You see, you are placing your personal subjective valuation as a literary criterion for objective analysis and argument of the Manga, that is your fallacy.
You are making a categorical error again by reifying the fact that the Fourth Hokage must be written as Naruto's father in order for the plot to ensue as aconditio sine qua non, even if the Fourth Hokage was written as Naruto's father or not, the outcome would still be the same, he would still be the character created to be Kurama's Jinchuuriki and the Fourth Hokage would still be the Fourth Hokage.
You are making a categorical error again by reifying the fact that the Fourth Hokage must be written as Naruto's father in order for the plot to ensue as aconditio sine qua non, even if the Fourth Hokage was written as Naruto's father or not, the outcome would still be the same, he would still be the character created to be Kurama's Jinchuuriki and the Fourth Hokage would still be the Fourth Hokage.
From the avbove page it is clear:
1. Uzumaki has strong life force.
2. Some Uzumaki individuals like Mito and Kushina are born with powerful chakra.
3. Uzumaki clan specializes in sealing jutsu.
Notice that just like the Sage the Uzumaki clan is good at sealing jutsu and good at being Jinks, unlike any of his sons or their direct descendents.
So it can be seen that Uzumaki clan is definately related Younger son, but they cld have been related to Older son too. Which wld make them possessor or both the power of 'body' (Life force from younger son) and 'eye' (Strong chakra from Elder son) . . . . Do u get the relevance? Younger son never had strong chakra, only physical energy and life force; strong chakra comes from Elder son. Mito even had a strange looking eyes, bit like a byakugan.
So as we have seen that Hashi cells ,ie, power of senzu 'body' affects and improves the Uchiha 'eye' powers significantly (Like KA CD reduced to at most 24 hours, Izanagi duration increased etc) . . . . So if they were to join their bloodlines it would create a totally new line ninja powers unlike both Senzu and the Uchiha. Possiblity is that such originators of Uzumaki clan is very distant relatives of both Senzu (Kushi did say distant) and Uchiha (????) and so their power is much diluted.
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The Uzumaki symbol is kinda of a mixture of Elder son eye and Uchiha colour enclosed in the two Senzu semicircles joined together to form a perfect circle.
Also notice another strange thing: the name Uzumaki seems to be mixture of 'U' from Uchiha and 'zu' (I know its 'Ju' but its homophonic substitution is 'zu') from Senzu (Also note that maki means 'true, hope' in jap) . . . U know it happens a lot: two warring families, young boy and girl from opposing sides fall in love and run away get married and get *busy* etc etc and they start a new clan combining their family names U' from Uchiha and 'zu' from Senzu and add Maki = true/hope to it reffering to the point that they are the true heirs of the sage or hope for peace.
ITs this OR Sage himself was from the Uzumaki clan.
Also those who say Uzumaki use life force as chakra forget that the basic lesson, 'stamina' is the basis of chakra not life force. See:
) based on limited evidence .... I thought the repost may be relevant here.
My point remains that the Strong Chakra seen occasionally in the Uzumaki clan is not part of Younger son's inheiritance ... its actually older son's power ..... no where it was stated the Senju has powerful chakra.
Again you are saying that the Fourth Hokage's character must be necessarily written as the father of the main character in order for the plot to progress wherein fact the writer could have easily written the Yondaime as either a guardian or an uncle, brother, etc. and ultimately the plot would've progressed the same, your error, is that you are placing the fact that the Yondaime's character must absolutely be written as the Main Character's father as a conditio sine qua non, that is your falsity. These things, you could argue, was done, from a literary perspective, as a vehicle for dramatic effect between the interaction of Naruto and the Yondaime if the former was the son of the latter, but if the merit of such things are based on dramatic impact, I could argue the same that the Sage being an Uzumaki would give greater dramatic impact/effect between Naruto and Hagoromo, so ultimately, the presentation of your argument basing artistic merit and presenting it as an objective literary criterion is erroneous.
Again you are saying that the Fourth Hokage's character must be necessarily written as the father of the main character in order for the plot to progress wherein fact the writer could have easily written the Yondaime as either a guardian or an uncle, brother, etc. and ultimately the plot would've progressed the same, your error, is that you are placing the fact that the Yondaime's character must absolutely be written as the Main Character's father as a conditio sine qua non, that is your falsity. These things, you could argue, that it was done, from a literary perspective, as a vehicle for dramatic impact between the interaction of Naruto and the Yondaime if the former was the son of the latter, but if the merit of such things are based on dramatic impact, I could argue the same that the Sage being an Uzumaki would give greater dramatic impact/effect between Naruto and Hagoromo, so ultimately, the presentation of your argument basing artistic merit and presenting it as an objective literary criterion is erroneous.
No, it is you who does not understand the contingency of literary progression is based on the Author's will regardless whether the Fourth Hokage was written as the main character's father or not. And now you are resulting to Ad Homnem.
You're disappointed at me? Well gee, life has lost all meaning. This isn't a straw man. Yes, I took College Comp too, Derp. It's an actual argument you need to refute. You're suggesting the story would not have changed much if Minato was Naruto's uncle instead, but clearly the story would have to be radically altered for that to fit.
You're disappointed at me? Well gee, life has lost all meaning. This isn't a straw man. Yes, I took College Comp too, Derp. It's an actual argument you need to refute. You're suggesting the story would not have changed much if Minato was Naruto's uncle instead, but clearly the story would have to be radically altered for that to fit.
if you argue that Minato was his uncle who married his widowed sister-in-law and he made his nephew Kurama's Jinchuuriki then ultimately the end effect is still the same: Naruto would still be Kurama's Jinchuuriki, and if that uncle decided to help him in the future, then he would've sealed his chakra inside him, so what's the difference of the end-effect? nothing.
Lord , this makes perfect sense ...some of the secrets have surfaced .
I too have something to contribute .
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You've probably noticed it but i'll explain it anyways.
Kin -Gin brothers have horns as their trait and so as the Princess Kayuga .
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My theory is by generations , every Uzumaki had horns as their clans trait and by time passed away they had to protect
their clan and secrets by distinguishing their whole identity from enemies . Therefore , they somehow erased their horns and some other trait marks .
Kin-gin brothers are from the ancient times and went rogue ...so that's why they still have their horns , i believe .
I also believe that the Uzumaki / Ototsuki clan were ancient Guardians of NV ...and they gave up their powers so they can live as normal humans and guide the world towards peace . ( NARUTO )
Some random person? what??? All the manga connections lead to Uzumaki being from Senju lineage. And as for "some random person".. how exactly would the creator of the shinobi sect be some random person, when he was the son of a goddess?
if you argue that Minato was his uncle who married his widowed sister-in-law and he made his nephew Kurama's Jinchuuriki then ultimately the end effect is still the same: Naruto would still be Kurama's Jinchuuriki, and if that uncle decided to help him in the future, then he would've sealed his chakra inside him, so what's the difference of the end-effect? nothing.
That's a radically changed story! How can you say it's not?
Minato/Kushina backstory has to be completly revamped.
Naruto no longer has a connection with Minato (Uncle is nowhere near Father).
Why does Naruto look so much like Minato then?
And you kind of talked yourself into a corner here. You said the end effect would still remain the same (which it wouldn't), and yet doesn't this apply to The Sage being Uzumaki as well? It has no impact, it's just a cool little addition.
But that's what I'm arguing from the start! (lol) , it's for dramatic impact, you said it yourself: an uncle is nowhere near a father, so if Yondaime was made Naruto's uncle instead of his father then that would lessen the dramatic impact it would have. So If I argue that for dramatic purposes, the Sage being an Uzumaki would give a greater connection between Naruto and Rikudou, then by your own reasoning, the Sage being an Uzumaki is meritorious. Lol
But that's what I'm arguing from the start (lol) , it's for dramatic impact, you said it yourself: an uncle is nowhere near a father, so if Yondaime was made Naruto's uncle instead of his father then that would lessen the dramatic impact it would have. So If I argue that for dramatic purposes, the Sage being an Uzumaki would give a greater connection between Naruto and Rikudou, then by your own reasoning, my argument is valid. Lol
Not truly. You are cutting off Naruto from the senju representation, by making Rikudou an uzumaki. On top of that Senju and Uchiha themselves descend from the "Ōtsutsuki Tribe"... So even by the current manga uzumaki are also descendants of that tribe, just like Senju and Uchiha. So the impact you are talking about is pretty much nothing at all.
So basically your theory is already canon.. only change is that it involves all 3 of the clans.
But that's what I'm arguing from the start! (lol) , it's for dramatic impact, you said it yourself: an uncle is nowhere near a father, so if Yondaime was made Naruto's uncle instead of his father then that would lessen the dramatic impact it would have. So If I argue that for dramatic purposes, the Sage being an Uzumaki would give a greater connection between Naruto and Rikudou, then by your own reasoning, the Sage being an Uzumaki is meritorious. Lol
It's goes beyond that though! Minato being Naruto's father actually made tangible difference in the story, I honestly just want to hear from you what you think The Sage being Uzumaki would supply?
