[Discussion] That last page on the new chapter of bleach

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the current aizen is no longer hogyouku aizen and is much stronger than he was back then. stated in the manga not head cannon like what you seem to be spouting.
Current Aizen is Hogyoku Aizen. Hogyoku was never removed from him. Or how would you explain that he got stronger? Shinigami don't get stronger by being sealed.

Also where are you getting that he got much stronger? Because Urahara said that he is maybe stronger, and that guarantee that even if he did get stronger (which is debetable) he didn't get much stronger, because if he get much stronger than Urahara would never mention probably. Understand?

and you must be high to put ichigo and zaraki who got beat after fighting one sternritter above aizen who while completely sealed made ywach look like a newbie and with only his mouth left eye and freaking ankles came and obliterated the combined reiatsu of ywach and the soul king as well as making holes in the barrier to soul palace and sometime in the next 2 chapters is going to be bringing down the soul palace again with just his reiatsu something ywach couldn't even do.
I didn't said that Zaraki or Ichigo (while I do believe Ichigo would be able to beat Aizen) would be able to beat Aizen, but I said that Yhwach see them as bigger threat than Aizen.

you must be trolling to say aizen couldn't beat zaraki, yammamoto and hell even ichigo if it wasn't for MC plot shield
Yamamoto beat him, Ichibe beat him, Ichigo beat him (Mugetsu at very least) and Zaraki in the future could probably beat him.

Yamamoto create heat with his reiatsu (as stated by Aizen and Jugram), as stated by Unohana that heat can destroy whole SS.
 
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Current Aizen is Hogyoku Aizen. Hogyoku was never removed from him. Or how would you explain that he got stronger? Shinigami don't get stronger by being sealed.

Also where are you getting that he got much stronger? Because Urahara said that he is maybe stronger, and that guarantee that even if he did get stronger (which is debetable) he didn't get much stronger, because if he get much stronger than Urahara would never mention probably. Understand?



I didn't said that Zaraki or Ichigo (while I do believe Ichigo would be able to beat Aizen) would be able to beat Aizen, but I said that Yhwach see them as bigger threat than Aizen.



Yamamoto beat him, Ichibe beat him, Ichigo beat him (Mugetsu at very least) and Zaraki in the future could probably beat him.

Yamamoto create heat with his reiatsu (as stated by Aizen and Jugram), as stated by Unohana that heat can destroy whole SS.
shit idk how to quote by segments so ima just space out my responses lol.

current aizen is not hogyouku aizen because just before being sealed by uraharas troll kido it was explained that the hogyouku was rejecting him and no longer saw him as his master and while he was butterfly aizen he no longer had the power of kyouka suigetsu while now he has it as seen when used on ywach. its also obvious as hell that aizen is much stronger seeing as his reiatsu alone disintegrated someone who got near him while before all the fodder humans around him just fainted and 2 of them stayed awake. he's also able to not only rival but completely overpower the COMBINED reiatsu of ywach and the soul king both of which are immensely powerful. on top of that he is now also able to passively use the abilities of kyouka suigetsu without a sword but as an extension of his own powers thus eliminating the prerequisite of someone having to see his blade to be caught in its effect, that alone is a huge power boost.

and yeah ywach is gonna see them as bigger threats considering that they are free to roam around and train while aizen was sealed away in the darkest corner of hell aka muken. thats like who do you see as a bigger threat the guy holding a gun at you or ISIS across the world?


also yammamoto never beat aizen idk where you saw that. he wounded him and actually not even that he just tore up his clothes although i will admit that i believe a full powered yammamoto not under the influence of kyouka suigetsu would probably high diff aizen before hogyouku. he never fought ichibe so idk where thats coming from. and ichigo did not beat aizen he pushed him to extreme diff level and then ran out of juice and if it wasn't for uraharas clever trick ichigo would have gotten wrecked in the very next panel. zaraki could never defeat aizen and I'm a huge kenpachi fan. for all his power he just isn't smart enough to defeat aizen.
 

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current aizen is not hogyouku aizen because just before being sealed by uraharas troll kido it was explained that the hogyouku was rejecting him and no longer saw him as his master and while he was butterfly aizen he no longer had the power of kyouka suigetsu while now he has it as seen when used on ywach.
Hogyoku rejected him at that time, who ever said that Hogyoku didn't accept him during these 2 years Aizen was in prison.

There is no explanation how would Aizen get stronger than when he fought Ichigo, without Hogyoku and Zanpakuto.

its also obvious as hell that aizen is much stronger seeing as his reiatsu alone disintegrated someone who got near him while before all the fodder humans around him just fainted and 2 of them stayed awake.
Nope. All shinigamis survived his reiatsu crush, even Vice Captains. Shinigami Aizen could reiatsu crush Grimmjow, that's more impressive that whan Aizen did here.

he's also able to not only rival but completely overpower the COMBINED reiatsu of ywach and the soul king both of which are immensely powerful.
What. Where did he overpower combined reiatsu of Yhwach and SK?

on top of that he is now also able to passively use the abilities of kyouka suigetsu without a sword but as an extension of his own powers thus eliminating the prerequisite of someone having to see his blade to be caught in its effect, that alone is a huge power boost.
Are we readin' same manga? If you are referring to what he did to Yhwach. Than it's not KS. Since time isn't part of 5 senses.

and yeah ywach is gonna see them as bigger threats considering that they are free to roam around and train while aizen was sealed away in the darkest corner of hell aka muken. thats like who do you see as a bigger threat the guy holding a gun at you or ISIS across the world?
If we are going by that, than Aizen wouldn't even be listed in SWP.

also yammamoto never beat aizen idk where you saw that. he wounded him and actually not even that he just tore up his clothes although i will admit that i believe a full powered yammamoto not under the influence of kyouka suigetsu would probably high diff aizen before hogyouku. he never fought ichibe so idk where thats coming from. and ichigo did not beat aizen he pushed him to extreme diff level and then ran out of juice and if it wasn't for uraharas clever trick ichigo would have gotten wrecked in the very next panel. zaraki could never defeat aizen and I'm a huge kenpachi fan. for all his power he just isn't smart enough to defeat aizen.
You misunderstand me. I intented to say that Yamamoto would beat Aizen.

Aizen already said that Ryujin Jakka (that's Yamamoto's shikai, and not counting his kido, bankai, hakuda) would overpower him if they fought 1 vs 1.
Yamamoto after he lost RJ, was sure that he would be able to take down Aizen with just combination of Hakuda and Kido. Know there exist argument that Yamamoto needed to do something, but that's false, considering, when similar situation happened in the war and when Yamamoto lost his bankai against Yhwach, he never stated something like "I will still beat you", but he just stayed in one place and literally waited to die. And also Yamamoto stated that after he felt Aizen's reiatsu, according to Aizen himself, battles of shinigamis are battles of reiatsu, Yamamoto than should be pretty sure how Aizen in reallity is strong and still made such statament. That's again considering just Yamamoto's kido and hakuda.

Aizen avoided the brunt of Hado 96, and he was quite desperate to do so, indicating it would have probably killed him if he didn't (the Hogyoku was healing his wounds at the time- so he had no reason to worry unless he felt it was going to kill him) have the Hogyoku and/or avoid the attack. If it was that powerful while Yamamoto was near death, imagine how powerful Yamamoto could make it while he's at full health and/or using it's incantation.

Aizen in his first Hougyoku form said that he has NO LONGER need to avode lvl 90 kido. Which suggest that a 96 forbiden kido would actualy do something to him if it would be made by someone who can actualy stand and more importantly hold him in it fo an extended period of time....

This is going with just Base Yamamoto against Aizen.

Aizen on top of that has Hogyoku while Yamamoto has his shikai and Bankai.

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Ichigo did beat Aizen. The problem was because Aizen was immortal, but even than Hogyoku rejected Aizen in the last moment, so at best you can agrue that it was tie - with which I would disagree.
 
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