Tenseigan > Rinnegan
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not with the ABC shit logic.
the Last KCM Naruto >>>>>>>> war arc BSM Naruto. he was able to fly and his attacks were far more lethal.
and if you want to counter argument, go address his points.
the Rinnegan has nothing that can break through TSB
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Sasuke would defeat Toneri w/ his Rinnegan abilities.
Momoshiki would wreck Toneri w/ Rinnegan abilities alone. Most clear cut victory.
Madara is the only one who'd lose if he was forced to rely on the Rinnegan and nothing but the Rinnegan, Living Madara anyway. Juubi Madara relying on just the Rinnegan kills him too.
Naruto broke Toneri's Gudo Dama with his Rasengan barrages. A max power Shinra Tensei would flatten them and Toneri if used. Chibaku Tensei is also an option but Golden Wheel is a good counter. The only thing he has that can even begin to threaten a Rinnegan user is Golden Wheel btw, but:
-Momoshiki can absorb it.
-Sasuke can dodge it.
-Rinnegan Madara would die, but Juubi Madara would either swap out w/ Limbo or evade it.
So yeah, in terms of raw power the Tenseigan is superior, but the abilities that the Rinnegan grants it's respective users would let them dispatch of Toneri in combat. Nor has the Rinnegan's full powers ever been fleshed out. Then we have the abilities that Rinnegan grants it's users outside of combat (Revival, bringing souls back from the other world if you are strong enough, Six Paths Corpses, Gedo) Like I said, the only technique that makes this a discussion is Golden Wheel. As a whole they are on par.
Momoshiki would wreck Toneri w/ Rinnegan abilities alone. Most clear cut victory.
Madara is the only one who'd lose if he was forced to rely on the Rinnegan and nothing but the Rinnegan, Living Madara anyway. Juubi Madara relying on just the Rinnegan kills him too.
Naruto broke Toneri's Gudo Dama with his Rasengan barrages. A max power Shinra Tensei would flatten them and Toneri if used. Chibaku Tensei is also an option but Golden Wheel is a good counter. The only thing he has that can even begin to threaten a Rinnegan user is Golden Wheel btw, but:
-Momoshiki can absorb it.
-Sasuke can dodge it.
-Rinnegan Madara would die, but Juubi Madara would either swap out w/ Limbo or evade it.
So yeah, in terms of raw power the Tenseigan is superior, but the abilities that the Rinnegan grants it's respective users would let them dispatch of Toneri in combat. Nor has the Rinnegan's full powers ever been fleshed out. Then we have the abilities that Rinnegan grants it's users outside of combat (Revival, bringing souls back from the other world if you are strong enough, Six Paths Corpses, Gedo) Like I said, the only technique that makes this a discussion is Golden Wheel. As a whole they are on par.
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From a distance? I thought that was after Toneri went berserk and started absorbing all of the Byakugan inside the Tenseigan? If it's just a sphere then Shinra Tensei is enough to blow it away.
when Toneri launched the sphere on Naruto, after it absorbed his Chakra it also absorbed Sai's ink bird without making contact with it. so the launched sphere could absorb a Chakra based substance from a short distance.
but I agree. ST seems to be a good counter for it
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Lol, at Sasuke defeating Toneri, and people are using Naruto as a proof.
First of all, Naruto got 1-shoted the first time. It took Sakura 3 days of healing for him to finally wake up. Toneri also absorbed Naruto's chakra again, and it was only thanks to Hinata and Hamura's chakra that Naruto was able to continue as well. In a fair fight, there won't be a Sakura or a Hinata to help Sasuke. If People want to compare him to Naruto (Even tho Naruto is stronger than him seeing how Sasuke needed all Bijuu to fight him) then Sasuke will get 1-shotted as well like Naruto.
Secondly, Toneri was able to do those feats with the Tensigan's power on its own. Meanwhile, the Rinnegan's best feats are powered up by the Juubi's power (when Madara used several CT for example). If we were to give Toneri a Juubi, his feats will be far stronger than what he already showed as well. The guy can contol the entire moon for crying outloud. :hmm:
He can produce limitless Gedu-Damas as well. A feat that the Juubi's hosts are not able to do, and many other things.
That, of course, taking into consideration that the Tensigan had much less time to show off its abilities compared to the Rinnegan that we knew for years, and yet the Tenisgan showed far stronger abilities.
First of all, Naruto got 1-shoted the first time. It took Sakura 3 days of healing for him to finally wake up. Toneri also absorbed Naruto's chakra again, and it was only thanks to Hinata and Hamura's chakra that Naruto was able to continue as well. In a fair fight, there won't be a Sakura or a Hinata to help Sasuke. If People want to compare him to Naruto (Even tho Naruto is stronger than him seeing how Sasuke needed all Bijuu to fight him) then Sasuke will get 1-shotted as well like Naruto.
Secondly, Toneri was able to do those feats with the Tensigan's power on its own. Meanwhile, the Rinnegan's best feats are powered up by the Juubi's power (when Madara used several CT for example). If we were to give Toneri a Juubi, his feats will be far stronger than what he already showed as well. The guy can contol the entire moon for crying outloud. :hmm:
He can produce limitless Gedu-Damas as well. A feat that the Juubi's hosts are not able to do, and many other things.
That, of course, taking into consideration that the Tensigan had much less time to show off its abilities compared to the Rinnegan that we knew for years, and yet the Tenisgan showed far stronger abilities.
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Hagoromo =Rinnegan+rsm
Hamura = Tenseigan +rsm
Hagoromo(Rinnegan+rsm)=Hamura(Tenseigan +rsm)
if u remove rsm from Hagoromo then
Hamura(Tenseigan +rsm)>Hagoromo(Rinnegan)
Rinnegan user cant use rsm/TSB but Tenseigan user can use rsm/TSB
Just because 2 characters are "rivals" does not mean that their abilities have to be exactly equal.
Hashirama's Buddha is stronger than Madara's PS.
Gai's Gates jutsu are stronger than Kakashi's Raikerie
and so on.
The Tenseigan have stronger abilities than the Rinnegan from what we have seen.
The Tenseigan does have Deva path-like abilities like Toneri did to bring Hinata to him here
and he made the rocks livetate and attacked Naruto with them.
He can create limitless amount of Gedu-Dama that can negate any attack that is not boosted by SM.
Those that he can fire them off, or use them to create a tornado-like jutsu
and of course they can be used for protection like in the gif above, or this one
The Tensigan also gives you a KCM-like ability that basically increases all of your abilities. In addition to controlling the moon, absorbing the chakra, and the weel that can cut the moon in half.
It even has its own summon like the Gedu-Mazu
I don't see how the Rinnegan's jutsu compare to all of that. : )
Hashirama's Buddha is stronger than Madara's PS.
Gai's Gates jutsu are stronger than Kakashi's Raikerie
and so on.
The Tenseigan have stronger abilities than the Rinnegan from what we have seen.
The Tenseigan does have Deva path-like abilities like Toneri did to bring Hinata to him here
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and he made the rocks livetate and attacked Naruto with them.
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He can create limitless amount of Gedu-Dama that can negate any attack that is not boosted by SM.
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Those that he can fire them off, or use them to create a tornado-like jutsu
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and of course they can be used for protection like in the gif above, or this one
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The Tensigan also gives you a KCM-like ability that basically increases all of your abilities. In addition to controlling the moon, absorbing the chakra, and the weel that can cut the moon in half.
It even has its own summon like the Gedu-Mazu
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I don't see how the Rinnegan's jutsu compare to all of that. : )
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Compare them if you want. We didn't really get to see MAdara use all techs with both rinnegan in the manga because he would have killed everyone including Byakugan users.
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1- Even if madara were to use "all techs" that would have been powered up with the Juubi's power. Meanwhile, the Tenseigan's feats are its own. Best equivalent will be Nagato's feats since they are his own.
2- It's really funny that the Rinnegan's fanboys are saying "we haven't seen its full power". When we have seen the Rinnegan with Pain, Nagato, Obito, Madara, and Sasuke for years. Where the Tensigan has like 10-15 minutes of showing off its abilities? Lol
3- We have seen the best thing Madara can use with the Rinnegan. His Limbo increased from 1 to 4 (IIRC). We have seen him using the CT which is basically the strongest jutsu perhaps besides the Limbo. What else is he going to show? Lol
The animal path? Like are the summons going to be muscular or something?
Preta Path? What else is it going to do? It will not be affected either.
Same with other things.
The only things that will get affected are the CT and the ST. CT is a stronger Jutsu, and we have seen its limits. Madara did not have anything else to offer. Lol