[Discussion] Temporary Rinnegan for Naruto?

[valandil988]

Tbh there seems to be a lot of who ha on the forums atm about Naruto possibly gaining the Rinnegan from having all 9 of the biju chakras.

However I am skeptical about it being a permanent power-up.

I believe that if Naruto gained the Rinnegan his own sheer incompetence would make the power up meaningless.

For Kishi to avoid this problem he has two paths open to him at the moment.


PATH ONE:

Hagaromo shows up in the Jinchuriki plane as a chakra imprint and teaches Naruto about the Rinnegan and its jutsu in depth, also allows for us the readers to gain much more info about him and his past. Naruto awakens with the knowledge and skill necessary to wield his temporary Rinnegan against Madara. Pseudo time dilation training ala DBZ.

After Madara is defeated Rinnegan fades due to not having sustainable reserves of the other 8 Biju inside him.


PATH TWO:

Hagaromo as a chakra imprint shows up in Naruto and while he is still unconscious takes control of Naruto's body and fights Madara personally. Ergo Naruto will be well capable of using the Rinnegan but it won't be a "Naruto" feat ergo its Hagaromo acting through him rather than Naruto becoming his second coming.

This ensures that Naruto doesn't become too OP and will remain clueless until he wakes up, at which point Madara will have already been defeated. After Madara is defeated Rinnegan fades due to not having sustainable reserves of the other 8 Biju inside him.

CONCLUSION:

Any power up Naruto gains at this point will be in one word : TEMPORARY

I wouldn't expect Naruto to retain the Rinnegan in any fashion after its immediate need is finished.

My personal fav idea is Path two because it makes Naruto less OP after the battle with Madara is finished. It will also allow us to see some OP shit from Hagaromo.

 

[chintu234]

If naruto gets rinnegan then sasuke being the last uchiha with ems doesn't make any sense since sharingan evolves into rinnegan.

 

[valandil988]

If naruto gets rinnegan then sasuke being the last uchiha with ems doesn't make any sense since sharingan evolves into rinnegan.

Did you read OP, I said if he gained it it would be temporary and he would never have it for Sasuke vs Naruto at the end.

 

[-immortal-]

Did you read OP, I said if he gained it it would be temporary and he would never have it for Sasuke vs Naruto at the end.

him getting it wouldn't make sense

 

[chintu234]

him getting it wouldn't make sense

Yup, since naruto needs uchiha dna to even get it.
Let it be Temporaroy or permanent it wouldn't make sense because the eye thing is for sasuke and body thing is for naruto.

 

[juzumaki]

Yup, since naruto needs uchiha dna to even get it.
Let it be Temporaroy or permanent it wouldn't make sense because the eye thing is for sasuke and body thing is for naruto.

how did the sage get the rinnegan

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

No , Naruto will either awake rinnegan or this eye:-

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[Ultimate Sage Naruto]

Yup, since naruto needs uchiha dna to even get it.
Let it be Temporaroy or permanent it wouldn't make sense because the eye thing is for sasuke and body thing is for naruto.

Another idiot, do you ever read? Naruto can get if he be Juubi jin, so its possible....

 

[Flakez]

how did the sage get the rinnegan

He probably awoke it after becoming the Juubi's Jin. The Rinnegan comes from the Juubi after all.

ot; I believe that his power-up will be permanent(the Rinnegan is just a possibility) seeing how Sasuke will also get a power-up ( elder son dojutsu and/or some sort of sage mode). They'll both have those powers in their final fight.

 

[valandil988]

Yup, since naruto needs uchiha dna to even get it.
Let it be Temporaroy or permanent it wouldn't make sense because the eye thing is for sasuke and body thing is for naruto.

True there is a path to the Rinnegan via Senju or Uchiha DNA however that isnt the only path. Its all about the Juubi, its where all chakra came from. Ergo the Rinnegan came from it.

Naruto is just going to the metaphorical horses mouth to get it. Instead of second hand via the DNA of either the Senju Clan or Uchiha clan.

The Senju or Uchiha clan aren't "separate" from their heritage to the Juubi, the Uchiha and Senju ancestors were likely created by the sage to personify the Yin and Yang of the juubi. Ergo whats the problem with Naruto going right to the source to gain the same powers?

I really don't understand why people keep pushing this point when the manga says otherwise. Sasuke is no more likely to gain the Rinnegan as Naruto is, they both contain within themselves ONE element each needed to awaken the Rinnegan. The difference between them though is that Naruto is friends with the biju and has gained all 9 of the chakras.

This means that Naruto is a WHOLE lot closer to gaining it than Sasuke is.

He probably awoke it after becoming the Juubi's Jin. The Rinnegan comes from the Juubi after all.

ot; I believe that his power-up will be permanent(the Rinnegan is just a possibility) seeing how Sasuke will also get a power-up ( elder son dojutsu and/or some sort of sage mode). They'll both have those powers in their final fight.

I have to disagree, it would make Naruto more OP than Sasuke even if he did gain Sage mode.

 

[ShiroShonen]

Another idiot, do you ever read? Naruto can get if he be Juubi jin, so its possible....

You don't have to be mean about it...

 

[valandil988]

You don't have to be mean about it...

Juubi is the source of all chakra? Hows that proof?

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

You don't have to be mean about it...

So, where the hell SO6P awakened it? Lol

 

[Transcendence]

Juubi is the source of all chakra? Hows that proof?

All chakra is from the Juubi. Kaguya ate the fruit and gained the Juubi's essence. Rikudou was born with Kaguya's powers which is from the Juubi. Rikudou had the Rin'negan and all his abilities throughout his life stemmed directly from the Juubi.

Conclusion: The Rin'negan came from the Juubi.

I don't know if you've read my thread, but I'll post it here in quoted form that explains what I believe his power will be, but I believe it to be permanent. Naruto needs to surpass Hashirama, and it's the only way to do so, as gaining Kurama solely is not enough to surpass Hashirama. Only by a combination of the Juubi's powers (Rin'negan and Juubi esque mode) can he surpass him. Hence the only way Obito was able to break through Hashirama's Mokujin was because of the Juubi's power. That is what's needed to surpass Hashirama.

Before delving in to what is going to be a much shorter theory than my usual transcripts, I advise you to read my previous thread which it itself also goes over certain thoughts in this thread that have stayed concrete and hasn’t been disproven at all.

Thread:

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Prologue

The root of this theory comes from my interest in the ending of last chapter, which had Uchiha Obito give Naruto Yin Kurama. [

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It’s quite evident that Naruto is going to get Yin Kurama, as that was Minato’s plan all along as his “gift” that he wanted to give Naruto. But what is rather peculiar about this is simple; it makes no difference that Naruto is to get solely Yin Kurama. Madara in his Pre-Juubi Jinchuriki form easily dispatched of Naruto and yanked Kurama from him without much effort while also manhandling Eien No Mangekyou Sharingan Sasuke without much effort as well. Just going out on a limb here, but there is more to what Obito is going to do, and this ties in to my hypothesis from the previous thread. . Obito specifically took out the 1 Tails chakra AND 8 tails [

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]. What’s so important about this?

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. The only two missing Bijuu are Shukaku AND Gyuki (Hachibi), who so coincidentally were the only portions of chakra taken out of Madara. This ties in to Naruto’s future power.

Initial premise

Postulation from the other thread: A Pseudo Juubi Jinchuriki mode.

Sounds exciting doesn’t it? Well it is. And it is likely to happen in the future. As Naruto has (will get from Obito) the remainder of the chakra that comprises the Juubi (all 9 beasts) he will be a Pseudo Juubi Jinchuriki as he doesn’t have the actual beast within him but can mirror said effects by having the essence in him (Much like how Kaguya had the Juubi's essence within her when she ate the fruit and Hagoromo was born with it's essence within him [

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]) which will tie in to the more controversial but also foreshadowed power for Naruto as well.

Benefits to this mode:

- Well as we have seen, anybody who has the Juubi’s chaka regardless of scale seem to have obscene speed [

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], enough to “blitz” someone with reflexes on the level of Tobirama (who is literally top tier, only contested by Minato, Sharingan masters and Sennin Modo users). Subsequent to this mode and the panels that preceded the scan I showed you, it displayed the strength feats one is capable of with this power.

- Higher destructive capability. We’ve seen Naruto match the combined Bijuudama from 6 Tailed beasts with just Yang Kurama within him. With Yin Kurama and the added chakra of EIGHT Tailed beasts, mirroring the Juubi’s chakra, he’s in a class of his own in terms of destructive capability. Only contested by Juubi Jinchuriki versions of Obito, Madara and Hagoromo himself.

- Heightened reflexes. I’m a tad complacent at the moment, but you scans and panels have shown that Madara was able to dodge an FTG blitz from a Sennin Modo Minato quite easily, while Obito was able to intercept Amaterasu merely by sensing chakra spurring in Uchiha Sasuke’s eye. Quite benefical.

The Rin’negan

This is controversial. For whatever reason, the base believes that Naruto is restricted to body power-ups and Sasuke eye power-ups, whereas there has been foreshadowing Naruto will awaken the Rin’negan [

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] (This is also foreshadowing that said Rin’negan will be due to the Bijuu’s coalesced chakra and the influence it has on his body) and Sasuke has been inherently compatible with Senjutsu since he was 12 years old and he’ll be dead weight against Madara unless he achieves some kind of Sennin Modo, which he likely will will (Read my premise on the Elder Sons Dojutsu here:

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and it’s possibly correlated to Sennin Modo as well).

It's basically down a line of events:

Kaguya ate the fruit (essence of the Juubi) -> Rikudou is born with the powers of the fruit (Still from the Juubi) -> His powers throuhout life pre and post Jin were always from the Juubi -> Both his sons are half of him and by reconvening the bloodline you awaken the Rin'negan -> Reconvening the bloodline is essentially putting back the Juubi's chakra together as Rikudou's chakra is the Juubi's chakra -> The Bijuu's ARE the Juubi and hold the same properties if put together like reconvening the bloodline did for Madara -> Essentially, Naruto awakens the foreshadowed Rin'negan (Rin'negan appearing behind him is indicative foreshadowing) along with being a Pseudo Juubi Jin basically on par with Madara (with Madara probably slightly edging him out and Sasuke tipping the scale after he comes back more powerful).

Naruto essentially becomes a Pseudo Juubi Jinchuriki, putting him near Madara in power, but has the benefit of a naturally acquired Sennin Modo and TWO Rin’negan to combat Madara. Adding in Sasuke and the inevitable power he will acquire through the means most likely of the mystery man, and the battle becomes a logical way to beat Madara without resorting to antics related to talking him down.

Extra: The Bijuu's willingly gave Naruto their chakra. The "right path" concept that Rikudou himself stated [

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] must come in to play here and that will probably be a point where Naruto may usurp Madara because he didn't force the Bijuu's to give him chakra.
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[valandil988]

All chakra is from the Juubi. Kaguya ate the fruit and gained the Juubi's essence. Rikudou was born with Kaguya's powers which is from the Juubi. Rikudou had the Rin'negan and all his abilities throughout his life stemmed directly from the Juubi.

Conclusion: The Rin'negan came from the Juubi.

I don't know if you've read my thread, but I'll post it here in quoted form that explains what I believe his power will be, but I believe it to be permanent. Naruto needs to surpass Hashirama, and it's the only way to do so, as gaining Kurama solely is not enough to surpass Hashirama. Only by a combination of the Juubi's powers (Rin'negan and Juubi esque mode) can he surpass him. Hence the only way Obito was able to break through Hashirama's Mokujin was because of the Juubi's power. That is what's needed to surpass Hashirama.

Yeah I read your thread, but this thread wasn't about whether or not he would gain the Rinnegan, mine is about HOW that will happen.

And I wish everyone would respect that and discuss that point instead of wittering on about whether or not naruto "should or Shouldn't" have the Rinnegan.

The problem I have with Naruto gaining this as a permanent mode is that I don't see how Sasuke can match him even with a Sage mode upgrade. Its just not going to happen.

And I just see no evidence atm to suggest that the "elder son" Dojutsu is at all foreshadowed for Sasuke. Tbh some kinda sage mode is more on the cards for Sasuke, but even with that I just don't see Sasuke matching Naruto with his own Sage mode as well. Add the Rinnegan to that mess and you see my point of contention.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Option 3: Naruto get's rinnegan, I hunt down Kishimoto and find him tied to a chair, with a maniac writing naruto instead of him.

 

[valandil988]

Option 3: Naruto get's rinnegan, I hunt down Kishimoto and find him tied to a chair, with a maniac writing naruto instead of him.

Lol, then what do you expect will happen. Naruto gains all 9 chakras and gets a new bath robe? How boring.

Problem is right now, spontaneous power ups just aren't going to cut it against Madara. They need to be trained, ergo DBZ time training, or Hagaromo possession.

 

[Transcendence]

Yeah I read your thread, but this thread wasn't about whether or not he would gain the Rinnegan, mine is about HOW that will happen.

And I wish everyone would respect that and discuss that point instead of wittering on about whether or not naruto "should or Shouldn't" have the Rinnegan.

The problem I have with Naruto gaining this as a permanent mode is that I don't see how Sasuke can match him even with a Sage mode upgrade. Its just not going to happen.

And I just see no evidence atm to suggest that the "elder son" Dojutsu is at all foreshadowed for Sasuke. Tbh some kinda sage mode is more on the cards for Sasuke, but even with that I just don't see Sasuke matching Naruto with his own Sage mode as well. Add the Rinnegan to that mess and you see my point of contention.

Yea, that's kind of bothered me on my thread. Nobody has actually countered the OP at all, only that they believe that Naruto shouldn't awaken it for whatever reason.

As for Naruto vs Sasuke, it boils down to this:

Naruto is a Pseudo Rikudou and Sasuke is a Pseudo Rikudou.

Base Sasuke is more powerful than Base Naruto. So adding Sage Mode to Sasuke would be overpowered, in the same sense that adding Sage Mode to Hashirama was enough to laugh at the Juubi and pin it down with a singular technique. The comparison would be the same. As a Pseudo Juubi Jin with the Rinnegan, Naruto has the superior destructive capability, but Sasuke has the far better defensive capabilities thanks to Perfect Susano'o (which has yet to actually be broken, even by something such as Shinsenjuu which is above majority of the Rin'negan techniques) and Enton coating his Susano'o. The prospect of the ESD also gives way to possibly new abilities that can inherently combat the Rin'negan, and it is the peak of Yin abilities, so Sasuke would probably become the greatest Genjutsu user in existence.

I can ramble on more, but the match-up is closer than it seems.

 

[Shinato]

how did the sage get the rinnegan

Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki was of the Ōtsutsuki lineage, which is where both the Uchiha and Senju originate from. Thus he naturally has the combined DNA and perks of both clans. Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki also was the direct child of the woman who eat the fruit of the Shinju. That is probably how he was born with the Rinnegan.

Yup, since naruto needs uchiha dna to even get it.
Let it be Temporaroy or permanent it wouldn't make sense because the eye thing is for sasuke and body thing is for naruto.

You don't need Uchiha DNA in order to awaken the Rinnegan. One needs to have the power of the two clans, the power of the Senju comes from their bodies hence their DNA. The power of the Uchiha comes from their eyes, thus one needs the Sharingan in order to awaken the Rinnegan.

He probably awoke it after becoming the Juubi's Jin. The Rinnegan comes from the Juubi after all.

ot; I believe that his power-up will be permanent(the Rinnegan is just a possibility) seeing how Sasuke will also get a power-up ( elder son dojutsu and/or some sort of sage mode). They'll both have those powers in their final fight.

Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki was most likely born with the Rinnegan as Kaguya was never given the Rinnegan as far as we know. That is most likely because she was the first in line with the power of the Shinju. Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki was the second line of evolutionary humans with the power of the Shinju. He faced off the Juubi using his Rinnegan and understanding of Ninjutsu. Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki had two sources of power, one was the Rinnegan and the other was the Juubi. Both are able to defeat one and the other, meaning that in battle they are just as dangerous. Naruto's power-up is highly likely to be the power of the Juubi while Sasuke will awaken the Rinnegan. Thus the two main stars will be one half of the power of Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki each.

 

[juzumaki]

Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki was of the Ōtsutsuki lineage, which is where both the Uchiha and Senju originate from. Thus he naturally has the combined DNA and perks of both clans. Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki also was the direct child of the woman who eat the fruit of the Shinju. That is probably how he was born with the Rinnegan.



You don't need Uchiha DNA in order to awaken the Rinnegan. One needs to have the power of the two clans, the power of the Senju comes from their bodies hence their DNA. The power of the Uchiha comes from their eyes, thus one needs the Sharingan in order to awaken the Rinnegan.



Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki was most likely born with the Rinnegan as Kaguya was never given the Rinnegan as far as we know. That is most likely because she was the first in line with the power of the Shinju. Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki was the second line of evolutionary humans with the power of the Shinju. He faced off the Juubi using his Rinnegan and understanding of Ninjutsu. Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki had two sources of power, one was the Rinnegan and the other was the Juubi. Both are able to defeat one and the other, meaning that in battle they are just as dangerous. Naruto's power-up is highly likely to be the power of the Juubi while Sasuke will awaken the Rinnegan. Thus the two main stars will be one half of the power of Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki each.

it was said in the manga that the sage and madara were the only two to awaken the rinnegan