Temari vs Hidan

[EZQ]

The thing is Kakuzu was a main villain of his own arc, Kisame did nothing but play second fiddle all series and the spotlight was never strictly on him as a villain ever. Thats what Zexion is probably saying.

Relevance arc wise okay, but story wise in the NV Kisame is a lot more relevant.

 

[Zexion~]

lol at Kakuzu being more relevant than Kisame, sorry but that's so far from the truth.

I meant he simply had his own arc and what have you, however even in other terms how am I wrong?

They both brought a jin to the Akatsuki, Kakuzu had a designated role in the group and without him there would be no Akatsuki as Pain practically said himself

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Then there is the fact that character wise Kakuzu helped drive the growth of multiple characters

-Shika
-Chouji
-(Ended Asuma, which was a major death for Kishi)
Even showed Naruto's growth despite the horrible manor it was in :lol

Kisame literally did what, killed himself for intel that was never even spoken about again, nor was it probably all that relevant as if I recall what he learned about while hiding in Samehada Kabuto already informed Tobi of. Nor did he really have any significant encounters with anyone but Gai and perhaps Bee simply due to Samehada who Bee never even utilized, you can claim Itachi but really when was it ever reflected in Itachi's character that meeting Kisame changed him.

I guess I'm no expert on his Kiri past but I don't think it was all that much.

I flex with Kisame heavy but I've always been disappointed with the lack of focus he had, I truly don't know if his role was worse than having a rushed arc that ended off with getting trolled :lol

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Lmaoooo Forbidden Technique seriously stfu. You haven't brought one serious point worth consideration, I'm not like you I would give credit where it's due, you're fanboying rn garggling Kisame's cum.

I didn't escalate anything you brought a false scan and I addressed it, you went on to make it an argument instead of simply saying "my bad it was a mistranslation".

Lmao, poor kid has to bring up male ejaculation fluid over an anime discussion. Concession accepted. Now go focus on something within your brains development capacity, like a coloring book.

The only thing I specifically stated about that entire scan was proven to be incorrect based on the Viz translation. Despite of that, you decided on your very own to address every single aspect possible, which I didn't agree with. So I foolishly addressed the trash you posted, fully knowing the degenerate I was dealing with. It won't happen again, so no worries.

Ok. But even with the incorrect tranlation, how can you say that about a team that took down Yugito? Obviously, Hidan's moveset is not very useful against a large beast. That's why i said, that Kakuzu's attacks probably were the most importants in that fight.

Because, did you not see their actual feats? Beating Yugito doesn't say a whole lot, when we got to see their feats against Jonin tier (Low-Kage tier Kakashi at best). From what we saw, Deidara EASILY captured the 3 Tails. Why is the 2 Tails being held at such an unwarranted high level here? Just because it is a Biju doesn't mean we automatically assume it's near the 8 & 9 Tails level. The Zombie Duo were extremely lackluster in my eyes, in comparison to what their few supporters think.

Please FT don't be ignorant.

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Kakuzu himself stated he has no care for "scrubs" and clearly his drive for money leads him into taking down only the most valuable of shinobi in the bingo book :lol Ala his encounters with Kin, Jin and the rumored Tobirama. Learn more about the characters you bash my man.

Not to mention they had more relevance in a rushed arc than Kisame did in the whole manga, which I find quite sad tbh he deserved more than ultimately sacrificing himself for info that wasn't all that relevant.

Also bold is completely false

Please take a look at the level of opposition they faced, and lost too. Kakuzu and Hidan are not hunting down and defeating any significantly high level Shinobi. Period. Kakuzu encountering the Gold/Silver Bros and Hashirama means what? He sure as hell didn't defeat them.

The Zombie duo holding more relevance than Kisame in what manga? Certainly not the one Kishimoto wrote. You're being ridiculous already. Kisame had one of the most epic deaths in the entire manga, Kakuzu got defeated by back to back Bunshin feints and FRS. The significance Kisame held is leaps and bounds above both Kakuzu and Hidan combined.

Hidan distracts the opposition, allowing for Atsugai to be utilized from point blank range. That was the maneuver that was stated to hold killing potential. If not, there is little need for that combo. I'm going to take what was shown and stated in the manga over whatever you have to say in regards to that.

 

[Zexion~]

Lmao, poor kid has to bring up male ejaculation fluid over an anime discussion. Concession accepted. Now go focus on something within your brains development capacity, like a coloring book.

The only thing I specifically stated about that entire scan was proven to be incorrect based on the Viz translation. Despite of that, you decided on your very own to address every single aspect possible, which I didn't agree with. So I foolishly addressed the trash you posted, fully knowing the degenerate I was dealing with. It won't happen again, so no worries.



Because, did you not see their actual feats? Beating Yugito doesn't say a whole lot, when we got to see their feats against Jonin tier (Low-Kage tier Kakashi at best). From what we saw, Deidara EASILY captured the 3 Tails. Why is the 2 Tails being held at such an unwarranted high level here? Just because it is a Biju doesn't mean we automatically assume it's near the 8 & 9 Tails level. The Zombie Duo were extremely lackluster in my eyes, in comparison to what their few supporters think.



Please take a look at the level of opposition they faced, and lost too. Kakuzu and Hidan are not hunting down and defeating any significantly high level Shinobi. Period. Kakuzu encountering the Gold/Silver Bros and Hashirama means what? He sure as hell didn't defeat them.

The Zombie duo holding more relevance than Kisame in what manga? Certainly not the one Kishimoto wrote. You're being ridiculous already. Kisame had one of the most epic deaths in the entire manga, Kakuzu got defeated by back to back Bunshin feints and FRS. The significance Kisame held is leaps and bounds above both Kakuzu and Hidan combined.

Hidan distracts the opposition, allowing for Atsugai to be utilized from point blank range. That was the maneuver that was stated to hold killing potential. If not, there is little need for that combo. I'm going to take what was shown and stated in the manga over whatever you have to say in regards to that.

Kakuzu alone wins that fight, literally Hidan was a hindrance :lol, Kisame lost every fight he went into though so I mean your point is moot 1:1 is better than 0-3 twice against the same opponent

You also provided no facts here, Kisame had the better death but that is about it :lol, Kakashi was pretty "high ranking" in the bingo books and Kakuzu > him so yes Hidan and Kakuzu take down many noteworthy shinobi similar to the guardian ninja they took down who was designated to guard the feudal lords again your "fodder" point is wrong get over it.

Atsugai + Hidan simply makes things easier however saying that only directly in front of the mask would be severely affected when it clearly shows equal pressure being applied over the entire area (to create an equally deep crater) is less than intelligent.

 

[ToshiZO]

Relevance arc wise okay, but story wise in the NV Kisame is a lot more relevant.

Kisame didn't really impact the story of NV as much as you would think. He's sort of just there.

Kakashi has fought almost every relevant character in Naruto, almost every main villain at that, Kisame was one of the few that he never faced off against. No main character ever really faced Kisame. Nor did Kisame kill or beat any one important which affected anything.

He was always a secondary piece in every thing that he did, everytime Kisame got screen time he was a small part of something greater going on. The one Konoha character he had developed some sort of rivalry with in the manga, and that guy couldn't even recognize him.

Lmao, poor kid has to bring up male ejaculation fluid over an anime discussion. Concession accepted. Now go focus on something within your brains development capacity, like a coloring book.

The only thing I specifically stated about that entire scan was proven to be incorrect based on the Viz translation. Despite of that, you decided on your very own to address every single aspect possible, which I didn't agree with. So I foolishly addressed the trash you posted, fully knowing the degenerate I was dealing with. It won't happen again, so no worries.

I made 4 simple points which were 4 100% manga facts, unfortunately you tried to counter them with how you "feel" the Akatsuki were portrayed based on some of the most suspect proof I've seen on this site. Laughable attempt at arguing, and it just goes to show you being stubborn can make you look more desperate.

Next time just swallow your pride buddy lmfao, it's not that hard. This isn't a rap battle where you have to try and flex with every post even when you have no content.

 

[EZQ]

Lmao, poor kid has to bring up male ejaculation fluid over an anime discussion. Concession accepted. Now go focus on something within your brains development capacity, like a coloring book.

The only thing I specifically stated about that entire scan was proven to be incorrect based on the Viz translation. Despite of that, you decided on your very own to address every single aspect possible, which I didn't agree with. So I foolishly addressed the trash you posted, fully knowing the degenerate I was dealing with. It won't happen again, so no worries.



Because, did you not see their actual feats? Beating Yugito doesn't say a whole lot, when we got to see their feats against Jonin tier (Low-Kage tier Kakashi at best). From what we saw, Deidara EASILY captured the 3 Tails. Why is the 2 Tails being held at such an unwarranted high level here? Just because it is a Biju doesn't mean we automatically assume it's near the 8 & 9 Tails level. The Zombie Duo were extremely lackluster in my eyes, in comparison to what their few supporters think.




The Zombie duo holding more relevance than Kisame in what manga? Certainly not the one Kishimoto wrote. You're being ridiculous already. Kisame had one of the most epic deaths in the entire manga, Kakuzu got defeated by back to back Bunshin feints and FRS. The significance Kisame held is leaps and bounds above both Kakuzu and Hidan combined.

Hidan distracts the opposition, allowing for Atsugai to be utilized from point blank range. That was the maneuver that was stated to hold killing potential. If not, there is little need for that combo. I'm going to take what was shown and stated in the manga over whatever you have to say in regards to that.

Literally the second Kakuzu went seriousin that fight, Kakashi was dead, and Shikamaru's plan kicked out. If it hadn't, Kakashi'd have lost his heart. Hidan is not kage level, and he's lackluster at the side of other akatsuki members i give you that... But Kakuzu isn't. Feat wise, he's at the same height Sasori is, who got taken down by a lowkage (At best, chiyo) and a high chunnin level. Even if he let himself die, he still was forced to that point. So i don't see what's the problem with Kakuzu here. He shits on zombie arc Kakashi had him been alone, so he's at least a tier above that Kakashi.

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Kakashi notes it was "fast" so Kakuzu definitely powered up in that moment, since he obviously gained more range because of his threads, and the speed of his attacks hadn't been hyped like that before. Kakashi being tired doesn't mean he was "exhausted" because he even used a sunshin and a raikiri after than, and was thinking on uing Kamui (which by that time implied at least 30% of his chakra reserves) so he could have dodged if he had time to.

Kakuzu without going all out forced Kakashi and company to that point, and the second he went all out, the battle was over for Kakashi. He's pretty much above that tier, and he's a lot stronger than Hidan.


And Kakuzu and Hidan also easely took down Yugito (show by the fact that Kakuzu was sitting on his ass and had no injury at all, and showed no kind of physicall pain or strain), so they were a lot above her as well.

 

[EZQ]

I meant he simply had his own arc and what have you, however even in other terms how am I wrong?

They both brought a jin to the Akatsuki, Kakuzu had a designated role in the group and without him there would be no Akatsuki as Pain practically said himself

Spoiler

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Then there is the fact that character wise Kakuzu helped drive the growth of multiple characters

-Shika
-Chouji
-(Ended Asuma, which was a major death for Kishi)
Even showed Naruto's growth despite the horrible manor it was in :lol

Kisame literally did what, killed himself for intel that was never even spoken about again, nor was it probably all that relevant as if I recall what he learned about while hiding in Samehada Kabuto already informed Tobi of. Nor did he really have any significant encounters with anyone but Gai and perhaps Bee simply due to Samehada who Bee never even utilized, you can claim Itachi but really when was it ever reflected in Itachi's character that meeting Kisame changed him.

I guess I'm no expert on his Kiri past but I don't think it was all that much.

I flex with Kisame heavy but I've always been disappointed with the lack of focus he had, I truly don't know if his role was worse than having a rushed arc that ended off with getting trolled :lol

Ok i agree, arc wise Kakuzu was more important.

But in the manga overall, Kisame is a lot more important. I don't know how to explain it, he's just a lot closer to being a main villiain than Kakuzu.

 

[Zexion~]

Ok i agree, arc wise Kakuzu was more important.

But in the manga overall, Kisame is a lot more important. I don't know how to explain it, he's just a lot closer to being a main villiain than Kakuzu.

.-. not even he met with like 3 people and his main adversary never remembered him :lol


Also quoting Yamato he does power up in the change of form's :lol which of course contradicts the actions of the manga I know (thanks Kishi) but he still manged to add this little quote here:

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Which can also mean he had something else up his sleeve but ya know, rushed arc and all

 

[EZQ]

.-. not even he met with like 3 people and his main adversary never remembered him :lol


Also quoting Yamato he does power up in the change of form's :lol which of course contradicts the actions of the manga I know (thanks Kishi) but he still manged to add this little quote here:

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Which can also mean he had something else up his sleeve but ya know, rushed arc and all

Yeah but definitely, not all out Kakuzu would beat that Kakashi med diff (no kamui). He shits on him going all out, so he's well above this Kakashi.

This tends to be overlooked.

 

[Zexion~]

Yeah but definitely, not all out Kakuzu would beat that Kakashi med diff (no kamui). He shits on him going all out, so he's well above this Kakashi.

This tends to be overlooked.

Indeed especially since Kakuzu up until the last point was trying to preserve Kakashi as he needed his heart :lol hence why he really wasn't all that shocked when he survived the Fuuton + Hidan combo

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Kakuzu alone wins that fight, literally Hidan was a hindrance :lol, Kisame lost every fight he went into though so I mean your point is moot 1:1 is better than 0-3 twice against the same opponent

You also provided no facts here, Kisame had the better death but that is about it :lol, Kakashi was pretty "high ranking" in the bingo books and Kakuzu > him so yes Hidan and Kakuzu take down many noteworthy shinobi similar to the guardian ninja they took down who was designated to guard the feudal lords again your "fodder" point is wrong get over it.

Atsugai + Hidan simply makes things easier however saying that only directly in front of the mask would be severely affected when it clearly shows equal pressure being applied over the entire area (to create an equally deep crater) is less than intelligent.

Wtf? In no way is Hidan a hinderance, when they were performing combos together. You don't make any sense when you post... Hidans presence clearly made it harder, which is why they had to separate them. The only hindrance was Kakashi having to worry about Chouji and Ino. And Kisame didn't go 0-3 throughout the manga, I suggest you recheck that.

Do I really, I mean really need to prove why Kisame is more relevant in this manga. Like, honestly smh. If that's really necessary then make a separate thread, I'm not doing that in here. Saying Kakuzu is superior to this level of Kakashi isn't saying a whole lot. He is at best low-kage tier at that point of the manga, and Kakuzu isn't more then a tier above him.

Nope, that's not how it works. DB states that it is initially a compacted wind mass, that explodes on contact. Wind gradually dissipates as it spreads over a large area. The point of explosion where the air pressure is at it's greatest is where most of the damage is done. Hence why the whole combo of Hidan distracting the opponent, to execute Atsugai from point blank range. Hence why that is what was stated to have actually killed people, not Atsugai in general.

Literally the second Kakuzu went seriousin that fight, Kakashi was dead, and Shikamaru's plan kicked out. If it hadn't, Kakashi'd have lost his heart. Hidan is not kage level, and he's lackluster at the side of other akatsuki members i give you that... But Kakuzu isn't. Feat wise, he's at the same height Sasori is, who got taken down by a lowkage (At best, chiyo) and a high chunnin level. Even if he let himself die, he still was forced to that point. So i don't see what's the problem with Kakuzu here. He shits on zombie arc Kakashi had him been alone, so he's at least a tier above that Kakashi.

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Kakashi notes it was "fast" so Kakuzu definitely powered up in that moment, since he obviously gained more range because of his threads, and the speed of his attacks hadn't been hyped like that before. Kakashi being tired doesn't mean he was "exhausted" because he even used a sunshin and a raikiri after than, and was thinking on uing Kamui (which by that time implied at least 30% of his chakra reserves) so he could have dodged if he had time to.

Kakuzu without going all out forced Kakashi and company to that point, and the second he went all out, the battle was over for Kakashi. He's pretty much above that tier, and he's a lot stronger than Hidan.


And Kakuzu and Hidan also easely took down Yugito (show by the fact that Kakuzu was sitting on his ass and had no injury at all, and showed no kind of physicall pain or strain), so they were a lot above her as well.

You need to take into account that Kakashi had to constantly worry about protecting Chouji and Ino, who had absolutely no business being in that fight. In the scans you posted, a better counter would of been to retreat underground like he did against Itachi's Katon, and attack with a clone while the real Kakashi preps Kamui. Of course, he couldn't do that here, because he'd be leaving Ino and Chouji to die. However, I do agree that Kakuzu is a tier above this version of Kakashi, Low-Med Kage tier. Med Kage tier at the absolute best, if we give him that extra mask, and assume it's a high level Suiton technique. Anything beyond that is gross overestimation.

The 3 Tails was displayed to be nothing special, so I see no reason to assume the 2 Tails would be tough shit, especially given the reasons you stated.

 

[Zexion~]

Wtf? In no way is Hidan a hinderance, when they were performing combos together. You don't make any sense when you post... Hidans presence clearly made it harder, which is why they had to separate them. The only hindrance was Kakashi having to worry about Chouji and Ino. And Kisame didn't go 0-3 throughout the manga, I suggest you recheck that.

Do I really, I mean really need to prove why Kisame is more relevant in this manga. Like, honestly smh. If that's really necessary then make a separate thread, I'm not doing that in here. Saying Kakuzu is superior to this level of Kakashi isn't saying a whole lot. He is at best low-kage tier at that point of the manga, and Kakuzu isn't more then a tier above him.

Nope, that's not how it works. DB states that it is initially a compacted wind mass, that explodes on contact. Wind gradually dissipates as it spreads over a large area. The point of explosion where the air pressure is at it's greatest is where most of the damage is done. Hence why the whole combo of Hidan distracting the opponent, to execute Atsugai from point blank range. Hence why that is what was stated to have actually killed people, not Atsugai in general.



You need to take into account that Kakashi had to constantly worry about protecting Chouji and Ino, who had absolutely no business being in that fight. In the scans you posted, a better counter would of been to retreat underground like he did against Itachi's Katon, and attack with a clone while the real Kakashi preps Kamui. Of course, he couldn't do that here, because he'd be leaving Ino and Chouji to die. However, I do agree that Kakuzu is a tier above this version of Kakashi, Low-Med Kage tier. Med Kage tier at the absolute best, if we give him that extra mask, and assume it's a high level Suiton technique. Anything beyond that is gross overestimation.

The 3 Tails was displayed to be nothing special, so I see no reason to assume the 2 Tails would be tough shit, especially given the reasons you stated.

Atsugai would obviously be the one killing the opponenet, and no FT stop being so literal explode simply means a violent burst :lol as I've said the entire jutsu has enough pressure to create a crater, equally so again I'll take the manga feats over your sketchy interpretation of the DB.

Raising pressure to the extreme within the clear area, if anything the strongest point would be the center of the blast (which is what happens within an explosion that you are trying to compare it to)

Hidan left and what happened? Kakashi lost in about .5 minutes :lol and who saved them? Hidan's stupidity (mostly Kishi's bull)

 

[EZQ]

Wtf? In no way is Hidan a hinderance, when they were performing combos together. You don't make any sense when you post... Hidans presence clearly made it harder, which is why they had to separate them. The only hindrance was Kakashi having to worry about Chouji and Ino. And Kisame didn't go 0-3 throughout the manga, I suggest you recheck that.

Do I really, I mean really need to prove why Kisame is more relevant in this manga. Like, honestly smh. If that's really necessary then make a separate thread, I'm not doing that in here. Saying Kakuzu is superior to this level of Kakashi isn't saying a whole lot. He is at best low-kage tier at that point of the manga, and Kakuzu isn't more then a tier above him.

Nope, that's not how it works. DB states that it is initially a compacted wind mass, that explodes on contact. Wind gradually dissipates as it spreads over a large area. The point of explosion where the air pressure is at it's greatest is where most of the damage is done. Hence why the whole combo of Hidan distracting the opponent, to execute Atsugai from point blank range. Hence why that is what was stated to have actually killed people, not Atsugai in general.



You need to take into account that Kakashi had to constantly worry about protecting Chouji and Ino, who had absolutely no business being in that fight. In the scans you posted, a better counter would of been to retreat underground like he did against Itachi's Katon, and attack with a clone while the real Kakashi preps Kamui. Of course, he couldn't do that here, because he'd be leaving Ino and Chouji to die. However, I do agree that Kakuzu is a tier above this version of Kakashi, Low-Med Kage tier. Med Kage tier at the absolute best, if we give him that extra mask, and assume it's a high level Suiton technique. Anything beyond that is gross overestimation.

The 3 Tails was displayed to be nothing special, so I see no reason to assume the 2 Tails would be tough shit, especially given the reasons you stated.

Yes, i do agree Kakuzu is med kage tier, and nothing more, but he gets grossly underrated very often. And i know Kakashi could've gone underground in the first thing i posted, but it was just to show that Kakuzu acts fast enough to outspeed (not blitz) Kakashi, before going all out.

And yes, it seems the jins were nothing special after all. But you did show a scan of Kisame having taking down roshi, which is also nothing special.

And if Hidan took down Yugito, i'm sure Kakuzu could've solod her. And i'm not comparing Kisame to Kakuzu, i'm just saying that they're both enough to do jinjuricki hunting without a lot of diff. That's why i disagree in Hidan and Kakuzu being scrubs, since they accomplished what everyone else did. If we talk about being taken down, Sasori has a lame record (as alive and as edo).