More durable than Kakashi=/=Super Durable as Kakashi's durability isn't anything special either. :lol No one said he wasn't more durable than the average Shinobi. Not being able to put a scratch on Hidan means that Atsugai isn't that powerful, assuming it even hit him in the first place as even his clothes are left untouched by the blast while Kakashi's jacket and under suit were blown off and ripped a bit respectively.
That is unless the Akatsuki cloak is made of some durable ass material.
Lmao at the clothes thing. You know that doesn't apply. It destroyed all those trees, Kishi just wouldn't let Hidan naked. Naruto becoming the 4tails and clothes untouched. A lot of examples like that...
Bold: It's been more than implied that it did hit him. Hidan can't dodge mid air, Kakashi can because he has clones and chains and stuff to impulse himself.
Agree with the rest. Hidan's very durable, compared to average. I missed what you were implying with "super" durable.
Lmao at the clothes thing. You know that doesn't apply. It destroyed all those trees, Kishi just wouldn't let Hidan naked. Naruto becoming the 4tails and clothes untouched. A lot of examples like that...
Bold: It's been more than implied that it did hit him. Hidan can't dodge mid air, Kakashi can because he has clones and chains and stuff to impulse himself.
Agree with the rest. Hidan's very durable, compared to average. I missed what you were implying with "super" durable.
Lel who said leave him naked? His clothes could've at least been damaged, tattered, but they weren't, but it's irrelevant to me so I'm not gonna drag a discussion on whether or not he got hit. If he really did get hit than Atsugai is a sub par offensive jutsu.
It's only been implied. Not more than implied, just implied by Ino after seeing them blast w/ Hidan in the way, and chains and clones? Kakashi used no jutsu nor did he use any chains (not like chains would help him anyway in his position) so I could say "Kakashi couldn't evade in mid air", but somehow he survived.
Lel who said leave him naked? His clothes could've at least been damaged, tattered, but they weren't, but it's irrelevant to me so I'm not gonna drag a discussion on whether or not he got hit. If he really did get hit than Atsugai is a sub par offensive jutsu.
No it isn't because it kills people. All people have the same durability except from some known cases.
It's only been implied. Not more than implied, just implied by Ino after seeing them blast w/ Hidan in the way, and chains and clones? Kakashi used no jutsu nor did he use any chains (not like chains would help him anyway in his position) so I could say "Kakashi couldn't evade in mid air", but somehow he survived.
Kishimoto clearly wanted to know that kakuz and hidan do that because Hidan won't die.
Bold: it's the only explanation for Kakashi having dodged it med air, or, shinobis can use sunshin mid air and that should be considered since there are a lot of cases where shinobis have done this.
No it isn't because it kills people. All people have the same durability except from some known cases.
Kishimoto clearly wanted to know that kakuz and hidan do that because Hidan won't die.
Bold: it's the only explanation for Kakashi having dodged it med air, or, shinobis can use sunshin mid air and that should be considered since there are a lot of cases where shinobis have done this.
Fodders or not that means its killing potential is present, also its damage is rather extreme and its range is gigantic so it's most definitely not "sub-par"
This is a very underrated jutsu, seriously.
Edit: The best futon jutsu after FRS is danzo's baku combination definitely.
It's a wide technique that packs a lot of AoE and destructive power. It lacks Piercing power and speed. It's not sub par at all. Kakashi dodging it says nothing since Kakashi has a lot of resources.
Bold is true enough when we talk about normal shinobi. Unless you think someone survives Atsugai except for the already known susano users, 3rd raikgae, suigetsu and etc..
Edit: And fodders are fodders because they are weak. But that doesn't mean their bodies are weaker. If Kakashi had taken Atsugai he'd have died.
It's a wide technique that packs a lot of AoE and destructive power. It lacks Piercing power and speed. It's not sub par at all. Kakashi dodging it says nothing since Kakashi has a lot of resources.
Bold is true enough when we talk about normal shinobi. Unless you think someone survives Atsugai except for the already known susano users, 3rd raikgae, suigetsu and etc..
Edit: And fodders are fodders because they are weak. But that doesn't mean their bodies are weaker. If Kakashi had taken Atsugai he'd have died.
Lots of destructive power? Based on what exactly? It was used once and the only things it did was fail to even put a scratch on Hidan's body and damage some dead trees. Why are you two mentioning range when this discussion has been nothing about offensive power? :lol.
Not like Kakashi dodging it from point blank range while in mid air says anything good about the jutsu speed and range in the first place. :lol Sure, he has lots of resources, but that doesn't mitigate the fact he was in mid air and it was a point blank attack while he was being attacked by Hidan. Nothing he could've done would be as simple as evading it on foot by himself.
Bold isn't true. Ever. Shinobi who haven't been shown to have special durability aren't all equal with each other. Whether or not they survive Atsugai is irrelevant to that point and the point that Atsugai is a sub par jutsu. I can name a bunch of sub par Ninjutsu that can kill most Shinobi, doesn't mean that they aren't sub par in the grand scheme of things.
And bold is exactly what it means. That's why fodders get taken down by extremely weak attacks while Shinobi like Nagato can take dozens of paper tags exploding on his legs and only have bad burns with no limbs blown off.
Fodders or not that means its killing potential is present, also its damage is rather extreme and its range is gigantic so it's most definitely not "sub-par"
A Kunai's killing potential is also very present. Am I going to say that a Kunai isn't a sub par method of attack now? Of course not. :lol
Being able to kill fodders isn't a feat you should be bigging up. :lol Being able to kill shinobi like Kakashi who aren't far above average when it comes to durability if above average at all also isn't a feat. Thus it's sub par in the offensive category. Range is irrelevant to it's offensive power, and even if that's what I was referring to Kakashi being able to dodge it from point blank in mid air says nothing but bad things about it's speed despite it's range.
And lol @ this being the best Fuuton after FRS. Wind Cast Net is superior with far superior feats. Damaging the 3rd Raikage>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Failing to damage Hidan.
Sai murked her in CQC and took her out of the game with a kunai. Just make it 20 more meters and then it'd be a blitz in the completely opposite direction.
Lots of destructive power? Based on what exactly? It was used once and the only things it did was fail to even put a scratch on Hidan's body and damage some dead trees. Why are you two mentioning range when this discussion has been nothing about offensive power? :lol.
Not like Kakashi dodging it from point blank range while in mid air says anything good about the jutsu speed and range in the first place. :lol Sure, he has lots of resources, but that doesn't mitigate the fact he was in mid air and it was a point blank attack while he was being attacked by Hidan. Nothing he could've done would be as simple as evading it on foot by himself.
Bold isn't true. Ever. Shinobi who haven't been shown to have special durability aren't all equal with each other. Whether or not they survive Atsugai is irrelevant to that point and the point that Atsugai is a sub par jutsu. I can name a bunch of sub par Ninjutsu that can kill most Shinobi, doesn't mean that they aren't sub par in the grand scheme of things.
And bold is exactly what it means. That's why fodders get taken down by extremely weak attacks while Shinobi like Nagato can take dozens of paper tags exploding on his legs and only have bad burns with no limbs blown off.
A Kunai's killing potential is also very present. Am I going to say that a Kunai isn't a sub par method of attack now? Of course not. :lol
Being able to kill fodders isn't a feat you should be bigging up. :lol Being able to kill shinobi like Kakashi who aren't far above average when it comes to durability if above average at all also isn't a feat. Thus it's sub par in the offensive category. Range is irrelevant to it's offensive power, and even if that's what I was referring to Kakashi being able to dodge it from point blank in mid air says nothing but bad things about it's speed despite it's range.
Lots of destructive power? Based on what exactly? It was used once and the only things it did was fail to even put a scratch on Hidan's body and damage some dead trees. Why are you two mentioning range when this discussion has been nothing about offensive power? :lol.
Not like Kakashi dodging it from point blank range while in mid air says anything good about the jutsu speed and range in the first place. :lol Sure, he has lots of resources, but that doesn't mitigate the fact he was in mid air and it was a point blank attack while he was being attacked by Hidan. Nothing he could've done would be as simple as evading it on foot by himself.
Bold isn't true. Ever. Shinobi who haven't been shown to have special durability aren't all equal with each other. Whether or not they survive Atsugai is irrelevant to that point and the point that Atsugai is a sub par jutsu. I can name a bunch of sub par Ninjutsu that can kill most Shinobi, doesn't mean that they aren't sub par in the grand scheme of things.
And bold is exactly what it means. That's why fodders get taken down by extremely weak attacks while Shinobi like Nagato can take dozens of paper tags exploding on his legs and only have bad burns with no limbs blown off.
A Kunai's killing potential is also very present. Am I going to say that a Kunai isn't a sub par method of attack now? Of course not. :lol
Being able to kill fodders isn't a feat you should be bigging up. :lol Being able to kill shinobi like Kakashi who aren't far above average when it comes to durability if above average at all also isn't a feat. Thus it's sub par in the offensive category. Range is irrelevant to it's offensive power, and even if that's what I was referring to Kakashi being able to dodge it from point blank in mid air says nothing but bad things about it's speed despite it's range.
And lol @ this being the best Fuuton after FRS. Wind Cast Net is superior with far superior feats. Damaging the 3rd Raikage>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Failing to damage Hidan.
It deals more internal damage than anything else obviously, wind cast net is slower than atsugai and with a minuscule range it simple slices which is better for getting through hard substances.
I feel as though Atsugai if it ever landed could do something to the third,
Tis true, but Kakashi also has pre-cog and some of the best reactions in the manga so I mean its not a terrible feat.
Also Kunai aren't 50 meters (at least) wide and have the ability to crush everything inside with extreme pressure.
It deals more internal damage than anything else obviously, wind cast net is slower than atsugai and with a minuscule range it simple slices which is better for getting through hard substances.
I feel as though Atsugai if it ever landed could do something to the third,
Yeah, but from point blank in mid air? That's a bad feat. If it were normal then yeah.
Again, that's me talking about offensive power. Not range.
If Atsugai landed it'd literally do nothing to the Raikage with or without his cloak as it did literally nothing to Hidan. Wind Cast Net has a smaller area, true, it being slower is based on nothing, and it damaged someone leaps and bounds more durable than Hidan, so it's clear which is the better jutsu here.
Sai murked her in CQC and took her out of the game with a kunai. Just make it 20 more meters and then it'd be a blitz in the completely opposite direction.
, it was noted that Sai's shunshin is exceptional. Hidan doesn't have the feats or hype to replicate what Sai did in the novel. Also Sai and Temari met each other in the room if IIRC so the distance between them was probably no more than 5 m.
Also Sai was given the ability to enhance his kunai with chakra which Temari had no intel on so it got pierced through when used as a defence. Hidan's big scythe can't pierce through her fan nor can that big scythe be swung around as fast as a mere kunai.
Temari can draw out her fan faster than Gaara can draw sand out of his gourd (
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Come on... They used it to kill Kakashi, and said Kakashi was the first one to survive that combo, meaning that anyone who got hit by it died. Hidan's body durability is at least >> kakashi's, who's average. So hidan's durability is more than average, plus he's immortal.
You don't need feats for everything when you have the AoE of that wind blast and indications that its strong enough to kill a normal person.
Not saying Hidan wins since his body is more durable against raw force attacks like atsugai, but it's still weak to sharp attacks (he got pierced by weapons) so Temari's wind cast net should injure Hidan's body. A few of them would destroy him.
It's only killing potential is from point blank range, even still, Kakuzu and Hidan were a scrub team with scrub missions. Killing scrubs for money isn't anything special. Itachi and Kisame were the ones who actually accomplished notable things in the Akatsuki [
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It's only killing potential is from point blank range, even still, Kakuzu and Hidan were a scrub team with scrub missions. Killing scrubs for money isn't anything special. Itachi and Kisame were the ones who actually accomplished notable things in the Akatsuki [
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It never ceases to amaze me how the Naruto community will use shitty scans so casually to prove their points.
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Deidara failed at it = Talking about the nine tails, which Pain himself failed at, so nothing there.
Attracted too much attention = Every pair we saw attracted attention, Hidan and Kakuzu attracted the most, they had teams sent out to get them before they even entered Konoha's borders. Itachi is just being cautious.
And in terms of accomplishing the most, they didn't accomplish shit. They only captured the 4 tails on screen, just like anybody else. In fact Deidara got two of them by himself.
Not to mention Kisame took down a Jinchuuriki which isn't all that special. Hidan and Kakuzu have the most impressive on screen capture, taking on a Bijuu.
It never ceases to amaze me how the Naruto community will use shitty scans so casually to prove their points.
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Deidara failed at it = Talking about the nine tails, which Pain himself failed at, so nothing there.
Attracted too much attention = Every pair we saw attracted attention, Hidan and Kakuzu attracted the most, they had teams sent out to get them before they even entered Konoha's borders. Itachi is just being cautious.
And in terms of accomplishing the most, they didn't accomplish shit. They only captured the 4 tails on screen, just like anybody else. In fact Deidara got two of them by himself.
Not to mention Kisame took down a Jinchuuriki which isn't all that special. Hidan and Kakuzu have the most impressive on screen capture, taking on a Bijuu.
Because everyone definitely has access to all the VIZ translations. I read through the whole Naruto manga with the translation that was provided from this site, so that is what I know for the most part.
The Naruto that Deidara failed to capture, and the one Pain failed to capture are on two complete different levels. Please stop. And just because Pain failed doesn't mean Itachi and Kisame would of, based on match-up.
No. Unless the Viz states something completely different, Itachi and Kisame were the most important pieces the Akatsuki had [
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They didn't accomplish shit? Laughable. Deidara solo'd an imperfect Jin, just as Kisame did. Difference is, Deidara used the location of fighting at Suna to his advantage, by forcing Gaara to defend the village rather then focusing on his battle. Kisame's fight against the 4 tails was neutral.
Kisame solo'd the 4 tails Jin, while it took both Hidan and Kakuzu to take out the 2 tails Jin. Just because the 2 tails Jin went full Bijuu mode on panel, doesn't mean the 4 tails didn't. In fact, Kisame heavily hints by this translation that he fought the 4 tails Bijuu as well [
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It's only killing potential is from point blank range, even still, Kakuzu and Hidan were a scrub team with scrub missions. Killing scrubs for money isn't anything special. Itachi and Kisame were the ones who actually accomplished notable things in the Akatsuki [
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They beat a jin, Yuugito. So what you said isn't true. If they took down a bijuu, then Kakuzu's attacks definitely did something, since Hidan can't do shit to a bijuu with a stick and a blade.
Because everyone definitely has access to all the VIZ translations. I read through the whole Naruto manga with the translation that was provided from this site, so that is what I know for the most part.
The Naruto that Deidara failed to capture, and the one Pain failed to capture are on two complete different levels. Please stop. And just because Pain failed doesn't mean Itachi and Kisame would of, based on match-up.
And your point is? You brought up accomplishments, let that sink in. Now you want to dive deep into the specifics? Funny guy. Deidara failed to bring home the nine tails, just as Pain did, it doesn't matter what level Naruto was at when Pain fought him because his level was irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, Pain had to deal with the Kyuubi himself.
No. Unless the Viz states something completely different, Itachi and Kisame were the most important pieces the Akatsuki had [
LMAO how about you stop blowing shit way out of proportion. Itachi and Kisame were targeting Konoha next, Sasuke going after them means he throws the Akatsuki Plans into turmoil. Holy shit this is common sense. 1+1.
Hidan and Kakuzu attracted the attention of Jounin and Chuunin for what they did at that temple of monks in the land of fire, you're grasping at straws. The level of opponents that they battled against, and were taken out by were no where near the level of opponents Itachi and Kisame squared off against. Again, stop it.
You're the one who showed a shitty scan and made a big deal out of Itachi and Kisame "attracting attention", not me. You tried to use that to say they were doing some big boy stuff, but now that you found out Hidan and Kakuzu attracted even more attention you have nothing but "stop it" to say LMAO, as if I was the one who brought up that shitty ass point.
They didn't accomplish shit? Laughable. Deidara solo'd an imperfect Jin, just as Kisame did. Difference is, Deidara used the location of fighting at Suna to his advantage, by forcing Gaara to defend the village rather then focusing on his battle. Kisame's fight against the 4 tails was neutral.
I'm gonna ignore all this irrelevant bs you're spewing which detracts from the actual point. Lets see what they accomplished: Brought the 4th tails Jinchuuriki to be sealed.
Oh wow what an accomplishment, its not like every akatsuki cell did the same. Again you stop. They did nothing any other cell didn't do, that's a manga fact.
Kisame solo'd the 4 tails Jin, while it took both Hidan and Kakuzu to take out the 2 tails Jin. Just because the 2 tails Jin went full Bijuu mode on panel, doesn't mean the 4 tails didn't. In fact, Kisame heavily hints by this translation that he fought the 4 tails Bijuu as well [
Which is not even close to the same scale as taking on and taking down a Bijuu. Haha love how you tried to clump the two situations together by calling them both imperfect jins, literally has nothing to do with the point, only exposes how much you're trying to glorify some and undercut other feats.
Kisame also squared off against Bee, a perfect host of the second strongest Biju, with the sole purpose of finding an opening to infiltrate the SA. He executed that whole mission perfectly. The significance there far exceeds anything the other Akatsku members accomplished.
Hahaha FT Kisame failed to take Bee or Naruto, anyone? Again stop riding everything Kisame or Itachi did, while trying your best to downplay everything else, Kisame got jobbed by Gai, that did not have more significance than actually capturing Jinchuurikis and Bijuus which every cell managed to do. Not to mention that has nothing to do with the two man cell of Itachi and Kisame.
You have nothing to say, you can make everything Kisame and Itachi did sound pretty while making everything anyone else did sound like trash, but the reality is they did absolutely nothing any other group hadn't done, end of. That post was a whole lot of nothing.
