Coming from the guy who can't support his views. Take a look at all of your posts. They've all either been insults, or remarks going along the lines of "I'm right, you're wrong."
I've never said I was right, I said what I think, that's the point of a forum right? Again, all you've posted to back up your opinions are scans of people getting cut with Kunai's, and scans of trees getting cut.
Your opinion is not only wrong, it makes no sense.
And what would clothes not being destroed translate into? Plot/Censoring. That's exactly what it is. So you can cry plot/censoring whenever it comes to Hidan, but as soon as I flip it around on you it's unacceptable?
No, clothes ripping refers to NV as a whole. Not just Hidan. Guess what? Tayuya's clothes weren't damaged at all by Kiri Kiri Mae, and neither were the Raikages from Cast Net.
Trash. Just as obviously as Kishi can't show a naked man dancing around in his manga, he can't show a little girl sliced into a dozen pieces of meat with blood and guts everywhere.
Not really, Kishimoto showed Hidan getting chopped into pieces. He just censored the gore. He's shown people get beheaded. He's shown hundreds of Hidden Mist Shinobi getting slowly crushed by a giant tree trunk with a boy holding his dead lover in a pool of blood.
If you answer anything, just answer me this, it's all I care about you replying to:
How can Hidan be cut by something smaller and weaker, but not be cut by something larger and stronger?
Maybe, but only a few people have actually posted good reasons to support there opinions. You're not one of them. You've just been bashing because you're incapable of doing otherwise.
Okay great, Temari mows it down with ease. Now there are logs everywhere and Hidan can't get close to Temari nor draw his circle since he's surrounded by logs, rocks and tree branches everywhere. He risks tripping if he tries to move whereas Temari's stationary fighting style would allow her to not get tripped by the tree logs and she now has a lot of cover.
No Kiri Kiri mae in part one was strong enough to slice through hundreds of them so him standing behind a tree does squat. I mean Hidan would have to crouch like Tayuya did but even then, Temari was on top of a tree when she launched KKM. If she launches the attack from the ground level, you'd have to literally fall into a prone position to avoid getting your head sliced off. Oh and current Temari's KKM is hyped to be even stronger than the Wind Cast Net, collaboration or not.
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She stated that it is there only hope after the Wind Cast Net was used against the 3rd Raikage hinting that current Temari's KKM is a more powerful attack. It makes no sense for it to be weaker when Temari is an expert in wind release so she should be able to accurately gauge which attack in her arsenal is stronger. By the way, even when Temari was exhausted, she still had the chakra to spam this attack multiple times thus hinting she has a good amount of stamina. Hidan isn't dodging a 360 degree attack used against him multiple times.
How is that a baseless assumption when she clearly wasn't and she was found beneath the logs hinting that the attack sliced at a higher elevation, causing them to fall right on top of Tayuya. If Tayuya indeed got hit by the attack, she wouldn't have been buried by all those tree logs. Not to mention Tayuya's body was covered by the trees and was never shown again so it is baseless to say that she got hit by the attack without any proof to back it up. Furthermore, she had CS2 durability yet she got one shotted in an instant even though Temari had no idea where exactly Tayuya was hiding.
Completely unrelated topic. What are you trying to prove with this question? Are you honestly comparing Kiri Kiri Mae to the slash of Destrcution Incarnate?
No but the logic you are using is ridiculous. You say that any blade, even a mere kunai can decapitate Hidan, yet Temari's fuuton can't because she hasn't been shown to be able to cut people in half. Going by the same logic Madara's PS can't even though it is shown to be much stronger than kunais. So according to you, Madara's PS sword slash cuts Hidan in half because it is much stronger than Temari's fuuton even though you believe Temari's fuuton can't cut Hidan in half. Yet Temari's wind attacks are much stronger than physical blades yet you claim that physical blades can decapitate Hidan. I smell rubbish in your posts.
Well you could see that most of the wind currents for Wind Cast Net emerged from Temari's fan.
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Furthermore, those guys acted as agents to increase the number of wind currents so that the 3rd Raikage would be surrounded by the wind currents. The actual damage against the 3rd Raikage was because of Temari's wind currents which should be obvious based on the fact that Temari was at the very centre of the attack and the 3rd Raikage got hit by the centre, not the edges of the attack. Temari directly attacked the 3rd Raikage at the very centre of the attack, and the fodders attacked the areas around the 3rd Raikage, not directly at him. So Temari is capable of replicating this feat as long as the 3rd Raikage is stationary. All in all, the only difference woud be that the attack would have a less area of effect but if you go ahead and read my thread, you'd realize that even the difference in area of effect would be minimalistic.
Yep with a Futon cloak, guess what else blasted through multiple trees in an entire forrest? At this point I don't even have to post the scan, but I will for effect.
Hidan is nothing special when it comes to durability, normal blades cut him. I can get at least half a dozen, maybe more, scans if you like? And normal blades <<<<<<<< Futon blades. You even posted what a Futon blade is capable of.
But Tayuya was barely cut from Temari's Futon. You still haven't provided a counter to that fact.
Are we even sure she wasn't cut by it? Take a look at the scan again.
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As we can see from the trees, Temari's Futon attack slashed in a wide spread horizontal motion, covering the entire area in front of her. And what don't we see of Tayuya? Her bottom half. Which would have been cut off in a horizontal manner such as that.
Even if she wasn't hit by it, Hidan gets burried by the logs as she was, and is promptly cut in half by a follow up attack by Temari.
Also, as I've already said, the Kunai was not a regular Kunai. It was a Kunai capable of blasting through stone.
By stating that scan disproves me, you're stating that human skin is more resistant and durable than multiple tree trunks. Are you willing to outright say that? No, of corse you aren't, because it sounds ridiculous.
(1) She was most likely cut in half based off the evidence and deductive reasoning.
(2) Even if she wasn't hit, there's no question that had it hit her she would have been.
Besides, that was just a broad swipe with the fan. Temari has time and again shown that she can do wide area attacks as well, which would 100% cut Hidan to pieces.
No, clothes ripping refers to NV as a whole. Not just Hidan.
^ Perfect showcasing of how you don't know what you're talking about. ^
Not really, Kishimoto showed Hidan getting chopped into pieces. He just censored the gore. He's shown people get beheaded. He's shown hundreds of Hidden Mist Shinobi getting slowly crushed by a giant tree trunk with a boy holding his dead lover in a pool of blood.
Granted, but I've already addressed this as she wouldn't have been cut into dozens of pieces as previously thought, but into two from a horizontal strike. Which the manga evidence supports.
This is a fallacy. Hidan was defeated twice, and never was he defeated by a regular Kunai. He was defeated by a Kunai capable of doing this:
First of all, I'd like to thank you for being reasonable here Icelerate.
Okay great, Temari mows it down with ease. Now there are logs everywhere and Hidan can't get close to Temari nor draw his circle since he's surrounded by logs, rocks and tree branches everywhere. He risks tripping if he tries to move whereas Temari's stationary fighting style would allow her to not get tripped by the tree logs and she now has a lot of cover.
Tripping? I mean, the guy's pretty athletic. He evades projectiles and shadow stitching from medium to short-range while being attacks by Asuma.
I'm not sure if you need me to post scans of that, but you get what I'm talking about. Tripping isn't really a fair thing to say, because every NV character is just as likely to trip as another.
However, my point from the very start is that Hidan can tank everything Temari has to offer. Temari was exhausted after Cast Net, and then went on to say she would attempt Kiri Kiri Mae:
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So one Kiri Kiri Mae, and one Cast Net, yes? Apart from those, she's most likely capable of her less powerful wind waves, but it's not very useful here in this fight.
Now I've already provided reasons as to why Hidan tanks both.. And at this point, my mind isn't changing.
If he can tank Pressure Damage, a technique designed to crush its opponents, without any bodily damage, then he can tank Kiri Kiri Mae and Cast Net.
Cast Net will be significantly weaker without the several shinobi aiding her when she used it against the Raikage. Kiri Kiri Mae barely cut through Tayuya, and Cast Net probably won't do much better.
If you ask me, Temari runs out of Chakra before she incapacitates Hidan.
Not really it is a matter of fact and you failed to counter it.
Hidan crouching? I don't get what you're trying to say here. If it's necessary for evasion, he'll definitely crouch.. Why wouldn't he?
No Kiri Kiri mae in part one was strong enough to slice through hundreds of them so him standing behind a tree does squat. I mean Hidan would have to crouch like Tayuya did but even then, Temari was on top of a tree when she launched KKM. If she launches the attack from the ground level, you'd have to literally fall into a prone position to avoid getting your head sliced off.
Temari never specifically said it was stronger. She said it was her only option left. Yes? It can't be inferred to be more powerful, she was fighting to restrain the Raikage through her KKM so the team could seal him. That's why she said "Continuous."
She stated that it is there only hope after the Wind Cast Net was used against the 3rd Raikage hinting that current Temari's KKM is a more powerful attack.
You can interpret it that way, but I don't see it in the same light you do.
It makes no sense for it to be weaker when Temari is an expert in wind release so she should be able to accurately gauge which attack in her arsenal is stronger. By the way, even when Temari was exhausted, she still had the chakra to spam this attack multiple times thus hinting she has a good amount of stamina. Hidan isn't dodging a 360 degree attack used against him multiple times.
But how would that affect the quality of the attack? If she can use it multiple times, will the damage still be the same? I can't see that being the case. Again, her goal was to restrain the Raikage so the Sealing Time could finish him. I highly doubt KKM was going to defeat him.
How is that a baseless assumption when she clearly wasn't and she was found beneath the logs hinting that the attack sliced at a higher elevation, causing them to fall right on top of Tayuya.
If a tree is cut in half, the top part of it is going to fall no matter the elevation. The same thing could have happened if it were at ground level, or higher up, etc.
If Tayuya indeed got hit by the attack, she wouldn't have been buried by all those tree logs.
So.. You're saying the attack didn't hit Tayuya? Sorry, I'm having trouble understanding you here. She got buried because they fell on top of her.. These are trees, they could've fallen from any height.
Not to mention Tayuya's body was covered by the trees and was never shown again so it is baseless to say that she got hit by the attack without any proof to back it up.
But she didn't get hit by the attack! That's what I'm saying.. If the location were in a forest, taking cover behind a tree is ones salvation from KKM, yes? All they have to worry about is falling trees, yes? How exactly are a bunch of falling trees even remotely capable of causing the same pressure on Hidan that Wind Style: Pressure Damage did?
Furthermore, she had CS2 durability yet she got one shotted in an instant even though Temari had no idea where exactly Tayuya was hiding.
As you've said.. She got one-shotted by the trees, not KKM..
No but the logic you are using is ridiculous. You say that any blade, even a mere kunai can decapitate Hidan, yet Temari's fuuton can't because she hasn't been shown to be able to cut people in half.
Asuma's blade was a chakra enhanced blade. Hidan was cut by the same blade later on by Shikamaru, yet the penetration of the wound was nowhere near as deep.
yet you claim that physical blades can decapitate Hidan. I smell rubbish in your posts.
Any physical blade can decapitate anyone! Temari's Futon however, has not done such a thing. When has her Futon cut through a person? When has anyone's Futon cut through a person?
On what basis? PS hasn't been shown cutting people in half. It is no different from Temari's fuuton in that regard.
So without them, the Wind current could be dodged, yes?
The actual damage against the 3rd Raikage was because of Temari's wind currents which should be obvious based on the fact that Temari was at the very centre of the attack and the 3rd Raikage got hit by the centre,
But they were still contributing. Temari had a few shinobi behind her casting behind her.
Temari directly attacked the 3rd Raikage at the very centre of the attack, and the fodders attacked the areas around the 3rd Raikage, not directly at him.
So.. Hidan, who is able to dodge Asuma's Chakra enhanced projectiles, couldn't dodge this attacks? Those wind blades are enhanced by Wind Chakra.
All in all, the only difference woud be that the attack would have a less area of effect but if you go ahead and read my thread, you'd realize that even the difference in area of effect would be minimalistic.
First scan: That is a shuriken, not a Kunai. Also, it only cut through his ear, so what does that prove?
Second Scan: Not a Kunai, that's a huge stake.
Third Scan: That's a scythe.
So I assumed you presented those to show that Hidan's durability is equal with regular humans right? Because it sure wasn't a good counter to my Kunai point.
Hidan is nothing special when it comes to durability, normal blades cut him. I can get at least half a dozen, maybe more, scans if you like? And normal blades <<<<<<<< Futon blades. You even posted what a Futon blade is capable of.
Then how is he capable of moving after taking the damage that you posted? A stake to the leg? Scythe to the abdomen? Those injuries should incapacitate him if he were immortal, but still under human standards. Correct?
Not only does he take fatal injuries, he takes them with no drawback! He feels pain, but he doesn't feel effects.
A Stake in the knee would hospitalize a person and have them off their feet for a long time, yet Hidan walks around like normal. His body take regular damage, but it's clearly more advanced than that.
You don't understand, how can any normal human do what Hidan does? Who is capable of moving with these in them:
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And not only that, his regeneration feats are immense! He rips out the weapons here:
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And his wounds are completely healed directly after!
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No damage, you can't even see any.
He get's pincushioned by shadow stitching:
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He stabbed himself multiple times, and even after all the damage he took, his body took no time regenerating:
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All he had left on him was casual wear and tear, but none of the multiple scars he should have after such a battle taking such damage.
Are we even sure she wasn't cut by it? Take a look at the scan again.
Wear and tear, barely anything noticeable. Idk what you see, but it's not Tayuya in pieces.
As we can see from the trees, Temari's Futon attack slashed in a wide spread horizontal motion, covering the entire area in front of her. And what don't we see of Tayuya? Her bottom half. Which would have been cut off in a horizontal manner such as that.
Ahhhh I see what you are getting at now. So you think she was cut in half?
That's not true.. Look at the log that's on her waist. It's on it as if it were lying across her. If her bottom half were gone, the log would be below her.
Even if she wasn't hit by it, Hidan gets burried by the logs as she was, and is promptly cut in half by a follow up attack by Temari.
And Hidan sits there and does nothing, sure. He can just take cover behind all the logs, since they're conveniently right there for him, and as we've seen, they're a good shield from Futon.
The kunai itself wasn't lol. It had a Futon cloak over it that allowed it to blast through anything.
Well the scan does say that, my words matter not. I've already said Temari would win if this fight were under real world logic and not NV logic. The trees were cut in half. Tayuya was not.
The trees were disintegrated:
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Hidan was not:
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Are you willing to outright say that? No, of corse you aren't, because it sounds ridiculous.
Yet the location you yourself specified was in a forest, so it makes no difference.
Besides, that was just a broad swipe with the fan. Temari has time and again shown that she can do wide area attacks as well, which would 100% cut Hidan to pieces.
Temari's regular strikes are nothing, the only ones up for debate here are KKM, and Cast Net. Both of which I've posted reasons as to how they get tanked.
Plot/Censoring for the audience
Not sure how this is relevant. It's more plot/censoring.
What do you mean? You're bringing that up because the Third tanked a collaboration Futon with hardly any drawback. This just proves that Temair and co's strongest attack is nothing.
Granted, but I've already addressed this as she wouldn't have been cut into dozens of pieces as previously thought, but into two from a horizontal strike. Which the manga evidence supports.
First of all, I'd like to thank you for being reasonable here Icelerate.
Tripping? I mean, the guy's pretty athletic. He evades projectiles and shadow stitching from medium to short-range while being attacks by Asuma.
I'm not sure if you need me to post scans of that, but you get what I'm talking about. Tripping isn't really a fair thing to say, because every NV character is just as likely to trip as another.
I know Hidan can evade projectiles and shadow stitching when the floor he is battling on is even but once this forest gets filled with logs, he can't move around as freely and his agility will be diminished. Temari is not as likely to trip as Hidan in this match up since she doesn't have to move an inch to attack, however, Hidan does.
However, my point from the very start is that Hidan can tank everything Temari has to offer. Temari was exhausted after Cast Net, and then went on to say she would attempt Kiri Kiri Mae:
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So one Kiri Kiri Mae, and one Cast Net, yes? Apart from those, she's most likely capable of her less powerful wind waves, but it's not very useful here in this fight.
You can't say that the Wind Cast Net completely exhausted her, she had been fighting for a while even before Wind Cast Net is used. Saying she gets exhausted after utilizing one jutsu is quite an absurd assumption. Even then, she was going to use a continuous KKM, far above the one she used in part one and in part one, she showed absolutely no signs of exhaustion after using KKM.
Once again, pressure damage is not a cutting based attack and we've already seen cutting based attacks such as Asuma's fuuton blade cut Hidan up. The same fuuton blade would do squat against the 3rd Raikage with or without the lightning armour.
Cast Net will be significantly weaker without the several shinobi aiding her when she used it against the Raikage. Kiri Kiri Mae barely cut through Tayuya, and Cast Net probably won't do much better.
If you ask me, Temari runs out of Chakra before she incapacitates Hidan.
No it won't. I already went over this in my previous post and in my thread. You just blabbered an unbacked assumption yet again without countering a single thing I said.
Okay I made a mistake. At least I admit when I make a mistake unlike you. The thing is though, Temari used KKM at a higher than ground elevation which is why Tayuya standing on ground level didn't get hit. Unless Temari uses KKM while on top of a tree, Hidan gets sliced in half.
Temari never specifically said it was stronger. She said it was her only option left. Yes? It can't be inferred to be more powerful, she was fighting to restrain the Raikage through her KKM so the team could seal him. That's why she said "Continuous."
You can interpret it that way, but I don't see it in the same light you do.
KKM or no wind attack can restrain people. It was going to be used since the Wind Cast Net wasn't strong enough. If you say that she was going to use it continuously so that the sealing team could seal him, they'd get killed approaching the 3rd Raikage because of KKM itself, so no, it wasn't going to be used while the sealing team attempts to seal. If the KKM was her only option left, that would mean it is stronger than Wind Cast Net since it would not be an option to use a weaker tech if a stronger tech already failed.
But how would that affect the quality of the attack? If she can use it multiple times, will the damage still be the same? I can't see that being the case. Again, her goal was to restrain the Raikage so the Sealing Time could finish him. I highly doubt KKM was going to defeat him.
Current Temari is far stronger than part one Temari and has more chakra than the same part one Temari who used KKM so no her attack won't be weaker nor will she run out of chakra that fast. Most of the damage is caused by the summon swinging its scythe, not Temari's own chakra. As a matter of fact, Temari used it as a 360 degree attack in part one, if she uses it while covering less area, the attack itself would become even deadlier since the force isn't going to be distributed over a wide area. Since Temari knows Hidan's location, she has no reason using a 360 degree attack, a 180 degree attack will do twice as much damage and Hidan won't be able to dodge it regardless. I doubt the KKM would defeat him either but it was still going to replicate Wind Cast Net's feat or do even more damage.
If a tree is cut in half, the top part of it is going to fall no matter the elevation. The same thing could have happened if it were at ground level, or higher up, etc.
So.. You're saying the attack didn't hit Tayuya? Sorry, I'm having trouble understanding you here. She got buried because they fell on top of her.. These are trees, they could've fallen from any height.
Actually never mind what I said, I made an error. But yes, I don't think KKM actually hit Tayuya, she died from getting crushed. If Temari uses it against Hidan, she will have a proper visual on Hidan so she can take him out without missing. Don't tell me Hidan can simply dodge because he'll have to jump right on time but the attack is noted to be very fast and can't be seen by the unaided eye so I doubt Hidan can dodge this especially if he is somewhat close to Temari.
Here is the data book page on KKM:
Page 211 Kuchiyose: Kirikiri mai
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忍術 ・ 口寄せ・斬り斬り舞い
Ninjutsu // Kuchiyose: Kirikiri mai (Summoning: Spinning slashing dance) (wikipedia said ‘quick beheading dance’, but that sounds silly)
使用者 テマリ
User Temari
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疾風怒濤 暴れ斬り裂く鎌鼬の舞！！
Roaring whirlwind!! The rampaging and slashing dance of the Kamaitachi!! (Kamitachi is a weasel that it is said can cut things without touching them)
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巨大扇子で風を操る、砂隠れのテマリの大技！！テマリが巻き起こす強風に、口寄せした鎌鼬を乗せることで、 触れるもの全てを斬り裂き尽くす！！
Temari of Sand Village controls the wind with a massive fan!! She whips up a tempest, and summons a Kamaitachi that rides the winds slashing through everything it touches!!
術の効果範囲は、術者を中心として半径数百ｍにも及ぶ。またその大旋風は、薙ぎ払われた巨木や岩をも巻き込 み、敵はなす術なく倒れ去るのみ！！
The effects of the jutsu stretch outwards for several hundred metres. The swirling winds also whip up the mowed down trees and boulders which rain down on the helpless enemy!!
多数の敵に四方を囲まれたり、遮蔽物に隠れた敵を攻撃する場合に極めて有効。術の発動後、自身の姿を曝して しまうことだけが、唯一の難点だ。 It is highly effective when surrounded on all sides or when the enemy is hiding behind a shield. The sole weakness of the jutsu is that it exposes the user’s position.
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斬り斬り舞い
Spinning slashing dance
舞い乱れし刃 阻み遮るものなし
An unstoppable wildly dancing blade
↑風と同化するほどの俊敏さで、鎌鼬が所狭しと斬りまくる！！ The Kamaitachi cuts through everything with an agility matching the wind!!
←↑一陣の風が吹き抜けた直後、視界が一変！！目の前に拓けた見晴らしのよい壮大な風景が、術の凄まじさを 物語っている。
After the wind has blown through the view changes completely!! The grand scene in front of your eyes shows just how amazing the jutsu is.
Also the
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states that once Kamatari starts moving, it can't be seen by the unaided eye. After he starts moving, he can't be seen by the unaided human eye.
But she didn't get hit by the attack! That's what I'm saying.. If the location were in a forest, taking cover behind a tree is ones salvation from KKM, yes? All they have to worry about is falling trees, yes? How exactly are a bunch of falling trees even remotely capable of causing the same pressure on Hidan that Wind Style: Pressure Damage did?
Tayuya didn't get hit by the attack because Temari used it when she herself was on a tree and not ground elevation. If she uses the technique while on ground, then unless Hidan is on a tree, he gets cut in half. The scattered trees would deter Hidan from moving, thus he'll be a slow and easy to hit target for another attack from Temari.
Exactly, which is Temari is capable of beheading her opponents, hence the jutsu is called
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. Notice that it is quick and can behead opponents. Of course, Kishi would have Tayuya die from getting crushed and not in a gruesome way by getting hit by the attack itself.
Danzo hasn't shown the ability to cut anyone in half, then why is everyone in agreement he shits on Tsunade. Could it be that he can't even beat Hidan? If Asuma, a weaker wind style user than Temari can cut one in half, Temari does so with a lot less difficulty.
I'm quite sure it is but KKM on its own right or any of Temari's fuuton are pretty strong and much stronger than Asuma's wind chakra knife so yes, Temari cuts him in half or even more pieces.
Asuma's blade was a chakra enhanced blade. Hidan was cut by the same blade later on by Shikamaru, yet the penetration of the wound was nowhere near as deep.
Any physical blade can decapitate anyone! Temari's Futon however, has not done such a thing. When has her Futon cut through a person? When has anyone's Futon cut through a person?
Even though Temari's fuuton has shown much better feats than decapitating a person, you say it can't do such. Then I ask you, can Madara's PS cut someone, you say it can because it is much greater. So if Temari's attacks are greater than any blade used in this manga thus far, it means Temari's wind attack can do the same since Temari's wind attacks are stronger. Got it? Get it? Good.
My point is that you are saying that Temari's wind attacks won't do squat when weaker attacks have decapitated Hidan. Going by your logic, even though PS sword is much stronger than Asuma's wind blade, it can't cut a person because it hasn't shown the ability to do so. What I'm stating here is your logic not my own.
It would be easier to dodge but that doesn't mean it can be easily dodged. The 3rd Raikage was still at the very centre of the attack so I say Temari's wind attack is fast enough to hit most characters before they can side step. BTW Hidan's mobility is going to be limited here for reasons stated way back above.
If two weak guys throw rocks at a wall and then one significantly stronger person throws a rock and dents the wall. If all three guys throw three rocks, the same amount of damage would happen as when that one strong guy threw that rock. Just because a bunch of fodder decided to help doesn't make a whole lot of difference considering I proved in that thread that their fuuton are far inferior.
Dodging projeciles is much easier than dodging wide scale attacks. Same goes for shadows. Temari should still be able to hit him by tricking Hidan with short area of effect attacks such as
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followed by increasingly greater area of effect attacks. Hidan won't expect what type of attack is coming since Temari possesses quite a large variety of wind attacks and can manipulate each differently to suit her needs.
I know Hidan can evade projectiles and shadow stitching when the floor he is battling on is even but once this forest gets filled with logs, he can't move around as freely and his agility will be diminished. Temari is not as likely to trip as Hidan in this match up since she doesn't have to move an inch to attack, however, Hidan does.
So, this must mean that after Hidan survives this:
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Evasion will be incredibly difficult for him, yes? A battle in that environment would actually be more favorable to Hidan if you ask me. He has all the cover to hide under while Temari has to go through the trouble of finding him. Because as we've already established, this fight would be on ground level. Whenever Hidan attacks like this:
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Temari will have to counter with her defensive tech's, similar to the ones used against Tenten, and counter, but all Hidan has to do is drop under cover of all the woods.
It makes it easier for him to fight. He can dink and dunk until she runs out of chakra. She'll have to come to Hidan, and once she gets close, it's all but over for her.
You can't say that the Wind Cast Net completely exhausted her, she had been fighting for a while even before Wind Cast Net is used.
Fair enough, I'll give you that. But prior she wasn't using any of her extreme techniques.
Saying she gets exhausted after utilizing one jutsu is quite an absurd assumption. Even then, she was going to use a continuous KKM, far above the one she used in part one and in part one, she showed absolutely no signs of exhaustion after using KKM.
Yes, it's a crushing attack! Yet Hidan's body wasn't crushed in the slightest. This can't be overlooked.
and we've already seen cutting based attacks such as Asuma's fuuton blade cut Hidan up. The same fuuton blade would do squat against the 3rd Raikage with or without the lightning armour.
Would definitely go through the Raikage with no armor. But that's my incredibly subjective opinion, so fair is fair.
No it won't. I already went over this in my previous post and in my thread. You just blabbered an unbacked assumption yet again without countering a single thing I said.
I've admitted to several mistakes I've made.. Why are you saying this anyway? I'm not trying to offend anyone, I'm just backing my views.. Geez
The thing is though, Temari used KKM at a higher than ground elevation which is why Tayuya standing on ground level didn't get hit. Unless Temari uses KKM while on top of a tree, Hidan gets sliced in half.
KKM or no wind attack can restrain people. It was going to be used since the Wind Cast Net wasn't strong enough. If you say that she was going to use it continuously so that the sealing team could seal him, they'd get killed approaching the 3rd Raikage because of KKM itself, so no, it wasn't going to be used while the sealing team attempts to seal. If the KKM was her only option left, that would mean it is stronger than Wind Cast Net since it would not be an option to use a weaker tech if a stronger tech already failed.
But she never said it was stronger, it could have just been more effective for the time, correct? It can be interpreted in several ways..
KKM is a wide spread attack, so it would in fact be effective, but it's still featless. Saying that it would have the ability to cut through Hidan through a forest is an assumption, right? It's not a fact that it'll do the job that needs to be done.
Current Temari is far stronger than part one Temari and has more chakra than the same part one Temari who used KKM so no her attack won't be weaker nor will she run out of chakra that fast.
Prime Hiruzen was said to be the God of Shinobi. Do you think his prime form can beat Hashi or Madara? We'll never know because that form is featless just like this Temari that you're conjuring up with the ability to cut through Hidan through woods, something she was unable to do against Tayuya.
Most of the damage is caused by the summon swinging its scythe, not Temari's own chakra.
So would that mean that the technique would be on par with the part 1 technique? Has the weasel improved also? Have we even seen this weasel in action after the fact?
As a matter of fact, Temari used it as a 360 degree attack
This all but supports the fact that this would not hurt Hidan.
If it were 360 degrees, then Shikamaru would have been mince meat:
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It's not 360.
in part one, if she uses it while covering less area, the attack itself would become even deadlier since the force isn't going to be distributed over a wide area. Since Temari knows Hidan's location, she has no reason using a 360 degree attack, a 180 degree attack will do twice as much damage
It wasn't 360 degrees to begin with. But even if it were doubled, judging by the fact that Shikamaru was unharmed, an immortal man should have no trouble tanking.
and Hidan won't be able to dodge it regardless. I doubt the KKM would defeat him either but it was still going to replicate Wind Cast Net's feat or do even more damage.
Yes, multiple shots could finish Hidan, I will admit. It's just that if he's capable of regen'ing:
Like he always does:
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He rips out the weapons here:
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And his wounds are completely healed directly after!
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No damage, you can't even see any.
He get's pincushioned by shadow stitching:
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He stabbed himself multiple times, and even after all the damage he took, his body took no time regenerating:
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Then he should be able to heal in time.
But yes, I don't think KKM actually hit Tayuya, she died from getting crushed. If Temari uses it against Hidan, she will have a proper visual on Hidan so she can take him out without missing.
Depends, the summoning time to use KKM looked like there was more than enough time to take cover. She had to draw blood, rub the blood across the fan, then do the summon, then cast KKM. So I think that's enough time to take cover, but I don't think KKM can be used in such a precise manner can it?
Would it be like her attack on ribcage Susano'o?
Don't tell me Hidan can simply dodge because he'll have to jump right on time but the attack is noted to be very fast and can't be seen by the unaided eye so I doubt Hidan can dodge this especially if he is somewhat close to Temari.
The attack itself is fast, but it does have prep time as I've already shown.
And if he's somewhat close to Temari, then he could try a direct attack to disrupt her, yes?
Here is the data book page on KKM:
Page 211 Kuchiyose: Kirikiri mai
Top black box:
忍術 ・ 口寄せ・斬り斬り舞い
Ninjutsu // Kuchiyose: Kirikiri mai (Summoning: Spinning slashing dance) (wikipedia said ‘quick beheading dance’, but that sounds silly)
使用者 テマリ
User Temari
Bold heading down right:
疾風怒濤 暴れ斬り裂く鎌鼬の舞！！
Roaring whirlwind!! The rampaging and slashing dance of the Kamaitachi!! (Kamitachi is a weasel that it is said can cut things without touching them)
Paragraphs:
巨大扇子で風を操る、砂隠れのテマリの大技！！テマリが巻き起こす強風に、口寄せした鎌鼬を乗せることで、 触れるもの全てを斬り裂き尽くす！！
Temari of Sand Village controls the wind with a massive fan!! She whips up a tempest, and summons a Kamaitachi that rides the winds slashing through everything it touches!!
術の効果範囲は、術者を中心として半径数百ｍにも及ぶ。またその大旋風は、薙ぎ払われた巨木や岩をも巻き込 み、敵はなす術なく倒れ去るのみ！！
The effects of the jutsu stretch outwards for several hundred metres. The swirling winds also whip up the mowed down trees and boulders which rain down on the helpless enemy!!
多数の敵に四方を囲まれたり、遮蔽物に隠れた敵を攻撃する場合に極めて有効。術の発動後、自身の姿を曝して しまうことだけが、唯一の難点だ。 It is highly effective when surrounded on all sides or when the enemy is hiding behind a shield. The sole weakness of the jutsu is that it exposes the user’s position.
Pictures and captions:
斬り斬り舞い
Spinning slashing dance
舞い乱れし刃 阻み遮るものなし
An unstoppable wildly dancing blade
↑風と同化するほどの俊敏さで、鎌鼬が所狭しと斬りまくる！！ The Kamaitachi cuts through everything with an agility matching the wind!!
←↑一陣の風が吹き抜けた直後、視界が一変！！目の前に拓けた見晴らしのよい壮大な風景が、術の凄まじさを 物語っている。
After the wind has blown through the view changes completely!! The grand scene in front of your eyes shows just how amazing the jutsu is.
Yes, after he starts moving. I've highlighted that their is prep time behind this jutsu, so he does have time. The weakness is that it takes time, and Hidan's not going to sit there and watch it build up if he's right in front of her.
Tayuya didn't get hit by the attack because Temari used it when she herself was on a tree and not ground elevation. If she uses the technique while on ground, then unless Hidan is on a tree, he gets cut in half. The scattered trees would deter Hidan from moving, thus he'll be a slow and easy to hit target for another attack from Temari.
Assuming he doesn't evade or attack, sure. I don't get this whole elevation thing you keep bringing up though. I don't see what difference it makes.
Exactly, which is Temari is capable of beheading her opponents, hence the jutsu is called
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. Notice that it is quick and can behead opponents. Of course, Kishi would have Tayuya die from getting crushed and not in a gruesome way by getting hit by the attack itself.
He has much more abilities than that just wind chakra. He has KA and his summon, but he also has Izanagi and much more. Yes, he could cut her in half if given the chance. Temari could cut Hidan in half if given the chance.
Asuma decapitated Hidan while he being restrained.
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Temari won't have that window.
I'm quite sure it is but KKM on its own right or any of Temari's fuuton are pretty strong and much stronger than Asuma's wind chakra knife so yes, Temari cuts him in half or even more pieces.
Even though Temari's fuuton has shown much better feats than decapitating a person, you say it can't do such. Then I ask you, can Madara's PS cut someone, you say it can because it is much greater. So if Temari's attacks are greater than any blade used in this manga thus far, it means Temari's wind attack can do the same since Temari's wind attacks are stronger. Got it? Get it? Good.
Hidan was restrained and unable to move! Of course they were able to work. A moving target is much harder than one standing still, that much is simple.
Going by your logic, even though PS sword is much stronger than Asuma's wind blade, it can't cut a person because it hasn't shown the ability to do so. What I'm stating here is your logic not my own.
It would be easier to dodge but that doesn't mean it can be easily dodged. The 3rd Raikage was still at the very centre of the attack so I say Temari's wind attack is fast enough to hit most characters before they can side step. BTW Hidan's mobility is going to be limited here for reasons stated way back above.
Come on... They used it to kill Kakashi, and said Kakashi was the first one to survive that combo, meaning that anyone who got hit by it died. Hidan's body durability is at least >> kakashi's, who's average. So hidan's durability is more than average, plus he's immortal.
You don't need feats for everything when you have the AoE of that wind blast and indications that its strong enough to kill a normal person.
Not saying Hidan wins since his body is more durable against raw force attacks like atsugai, but it's still weak to sharp attacks (he got pierced by weapons) so Temari's wind cast net should injure Hidan's body. A few of them would destroy him.
It cut at least a few inches into his skin and he's the most durable man in this manga, Hidan's durability is fodder level compared to him, especially since he got cut apart by wires. What barely cut the Raikage is going to mutilate Hidan.
@bold: No.
lol,
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, so it was only Temari + 2 fodders and its very clear she did most of the damage given the fact that she is the best wind user in the alliance and the fact that they are fodder.
Immortality doesn't mean he'll be super durable.
Ok, I guess I can respect your opinion, despite what I see in the manga disagreeing.
Hidan IS more durable than average, despite being immortal. His boddy came out unscratched for Atsugai, which was meant to kill Kakashi. If Kakashi was meant to be killed by it, then his body would have been ****ed up from taking it. While hidan's is unscratched.
Of course comparing him to the raikage is stupid, and Temaris piercing attacks would definitely slice him. But just addressed the bold.
Come on... They used it to kill Kakashi, and said Kakashi was the first one to survive that combo, meaning that anyone who got hit by it died. Hidan's body durability is at least >> kakashi's, who's average. So hidan's durability is more than average, plus he's immortal.
You don't need feats for everything when you have the AoE of that wind blast and indications that its strong enough to kill a normal person.
Not saying Hidan wins since his body is more durable against raw force attacks like atsugai, but it's still weak to sharp attacks (he got pierced by weapons) so Temari's wind cast net should injure Hidan's body. A few of them would destroy him.
Hidan IS more durable than average, despite being immortal. His boddy came out unscratched for Atsugai, which was meant to kill Kakashi. If Kakashi was meant to be killed by it, then his body would have been ****ed up from taking it. While hidan's is unscratched.
Of course comparing him to the raikage is stupid, and Temaris piercing attacks would definitely slice him. But just addressed the bold.
More durable than Kakashi=/=Super Durable as Kakashi's durability isn't anything special either. :lol No one said he wasn't more durable than the average Shinobi. Not being able to put a scratch on Hidan means that Atsugai isn't that powerful, assuming it even hit him in the first place as even his clothes are left untouched by the blast while Kakashi's jacket and under suit were blown off and ripped a bit respectively.
That is unless the Akatsuki cloak is made of some durable ass material.
