Temari vs Danzo (fuuton battle)

[Icelerate]

Danzou never used the fuuton that he used before summoning baku, they were all single streaks of fuuton the one he used with his summon was a buch of them combined into one.
Somewhat similar to temari, she never used kiri kiri no mai before her summon since it requires her to summon.

My point is his single streaks of fuuton haven't shown any damage to susanoo but the ones he used alongside Baku was a much stronger attack as it blew a hole inside susanoo. If he were to use that attack without Baku, it still wouldn't have done much to susanoo because without Baku, those single streaks of fuuton individually are too weak to do any damage. My point is that using a fuuton in collaboration with a summon yields a much higher energy output.

Why do I have to prove to you anything? If you've got enough motivation, it doesn't matter how much evidence I bring up, you'll still say "you haven't proven to me...."
The obvious argument for Sandaime raikage being far more durable with his RnY up is how little damage he took from FRS vs the damage he took from Temari's combo fuuton despite the vast difference in power implied by Temari herself.
Who said KKM performed by temari alone is stronger than WCN when it's a combination tech?

FRS having much more raw power compared to anything in Temari's arsenal doesn't equate to it having a much higher damage per unit area ratio. I do agree FRS has higher damage per unit area than any of Temari's fuuton but not far higher. So since you argued that Danzo's fuuton is far inferior compared to FRS, I'm assuming you think FRS has better damage per unit area hence why WCN shouldn't be too far below Danzo's Baku enhanced fuuton, let alone KKM which is stronger than WCN so it can rival Danzo's attack. There is also the fact that it doesn't matter which technique is more powerful, the one summoned first wins and in a simultaneous summoning, Temari wins for reasons explained above. Nothing to do with power.

I've heard you say that Naruto's mini BD is more powerful than FRS because he was going to use it despite FRS failing.

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after WCN failed so by the same note, I'm going to assume KKM is stronger than the collaboration. Not to mention WCN being stronger because it is a collaboration doesn't make sense when KKM is also a collaboration.

based on?

Based on the fact that Ay also has RNY but he is no where near as durable as Third Raikage. Based on 3rd Raikage's durability hype coming from his body more so than RNY. Based on a far weaker attack (Chidori) without elemental advantage managing to pierce through Ay with RNY whereas FRS only got through RNY but failed to inflict a tangible wound like what chidori did to Ay. Not to mention Ay didn't use RNY to boost his durability against Mabui's transportation technique.

that's evidence for her being capable of concentrating or expanding her tech, but what's the evidence that she could have either expanded or concentrated her technique in reference to what we saw her do against sandaime raikage? Like where's the evidence that she wasn't already at maximum concentration or expansion?

WCN being at maximum concentration is one extreme, it being at maximum expansion is another extreme. By means of probability, it is most likely to be in between the two extremes. Don't know why you chose either end when the probability of it being somewhere is in between the two extremes. We've seen Temari concentrate a fuuton's AoE to a far smaller area than WCN.

 

[MasqueradeNX]

DAnzo

 

[Icelerate]

Just like to point out here that Danzo only used once slash against Susanoo

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but used multiple slashes

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so it wasn't only Baku's suction that increased the cutting power. Vacuum bullet was

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so Danzo's fuuton can pressure Susano'o as well.

Also Baku can exhale a powerful blast at Temari through it trunk (

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) which is the result of the huge suction which it is inhaling, except it is much more concentrated than the suction due to being channeled through a narrow trunk so it can exhale more powerfully than it can inhale and blast Temari away.

My point is that without Baku, Danzo hasn't been shown to do visible damage to susanoo but Temari's done visible damage to 3rd Raikage. Which means Temari's fuuton>Danzo's fuuton without summons. With summons, it is a bit tricky since KKM is featless in Shippuden but going by power scaling, I'd say it is close to the same level. Do bare in mind that KKM probably has the greatest DC when compared to all the techniques shown in part one. The difference between part one Temari's fuuton and part two Temari's fuuton is so great that I'm compelled to think KKM could do similar damage that Danzo's summon enhanced fuuton did.

Well so you're saying that Baku will exhale wind instead of inhale? I guess that could blow Kamatari away and backfire on Temari so I'll agree that Danzo wins scenario two if both summons are summoned at the same time.

Edit: Nevermind, Baku can only exhale after it has inhaled enough wind to do so which means Temari still takes scenario two.

 

[KidGamer65]

Temari probably wins both scenarios.

 

[Beans2]

Yeah Temari should win this actually. Not sure about Scenario 2, but Danzo can probably summon before Temari does since his hand seal speed is better

 

[Bantos]

I'm going with Temari.

 

[RedRobin]

I am going to say Danzo is the better Futton user just due to the fact that he can use fuutons from his mouth without a weapon. Something Temari has never done sadly? I believe she has only ever used her fan.

I give the first scenario to Temari due to her having a bigger DC compared to Danzo, her fuuton from part 1 only gets bigger in part 2.

Scenario 2 goes to Danzo, as using Fuuton against Baku is just useless as it all gets sucked up.