teen cuts off own hand after mistakenly admitting to not praying

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Black people is not a belief system though. Yes, many blacks are a cancer to society but that's a socio-economic issue. It depends on the environment they grow up in. For religious fanatics, on the other hand..they take their religious logic everywhere they go, doctrinating generation after generation. In person; I judge people individually. I chat with Pakistanis and Syrians in the gym, I go to my Turkish friends house where his Muslim mother treats me like her second son. I don't look at them as muslims until they give me a reason to. But there are some patterns I've noticed especially amongst young Muslim men.
Sorry I meant to thumbs up this comment. I do agree with you in this to an extent.
 

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For theft, yeah. Of course you can call that savage, but let's not forget how Westerners in the name of spreading their more civilized culture, did savage things too.


@Bold Apparently you said that.

If others get a sexual disease and they need medic treatment from which is covered from the health care that's also paid by my taxes, then maybe it's my concern a bit. Other than that, I never said it's my concern, but then people cutting off their own hands is not your concern either.

I never said you get cancer by standing next to a smoker, so it's a strawman argument. I said it does harm those around you (especially little kids), and it does pollute the environement. These are facts :)
What our governments have done in the past is not our fault nor should it be our problem. Back to present day, another fun fact: Crime rates skyrocket in Europe when who settles? Yeah. I'm talking common folk here. Not crooks in position of power.

As for the second quote; you're not getting it. The point is to show you the difference between personal pleasure and religious duty.

And you're trying to create a whole argument, yet again, on semantics. Comparing the cutting off of limbs to smoking cigarettes and ***.

Edit: I don't even know what 'semantics' stands for lol..just caught myself doing that xd
 

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And brainwashed robots in what sense means savage?

Other than that, what made him do it? That he misunderstood what the imam said. He misunderstands his religion. Ignorance and stupidity made him do it. And how about let's say soldiers of Western countries that go participate in wars willingly? Are they not the same brainwashed people serving a fake agenda?
savagery
ˈsavɪdʒ(ə)ri/
noun
noun: savagery; plural noun: savageries

1.
the quality of being fierce or cruel.
"a crime of the utmost savagery"
synonyms: brutality, ferocity, fierceness, violence, viciousness, cruelty, sadism, barbarity, barbarousness, murderousness, bloodthirstiness, brutishness, mercilessness, ruthlessness, pitilessness, inhumanity, heartlessness; rareferity
"the appalling savagery of the attack"
What is your point? Did I mention savagery is exclusive somewhere.
 

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What our governments have done in the past is not our fault nor should it be our problem. Back to present day, another fun fact: Crime rates skyrocket in Europe when who settles? Yeah. I'm talking common folk here. Not crooks in position of power.
That's a different issue too. All I said is that be careful declaring other cultures savage, because then you silently support your governments spreading their western civilization.

Fun fact: Aristotle wrote that barbarians (non-greeks) are slaves by nature.

As for the second quote; you're not getting it. The point is to show you the difference between personal pleasure and religious duty.
But it's not a religious duty to cut off your hand. Read the aritcle again.

And my point is as follows:

Cutting of your limb: it's stupid. Few months ago there was a thread on NB that someone cut off her legs if my memory serves, because she feels better that way. Apparently it's not necessarily related to religious duty.

Praising those who cut off their limbs for misunderstanding the religion? Sure that's savage, but again, don't generalize for the above reasons.

Other than that, I don't really see the difference between someone cutting off his hand for misunderstanding the religion, or a drug addict getting infection and having his arm amputated as in the movie Requiem for a dream.

And you're trying to create a whole argument, yet again, on semantics. Comparing the cutting off of limbs to smoking cigarettes and ***.
Cutting off his own hand didn't harm others. Smoking does.

Those examples were only to show that people do stupid things all the time, regardless of faith.
 
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Other than that, I don't really see the difference between someone cutting off his hand for misunderstanding the religion, or a drug addict getting infection and having his arm amputated as in the movie Requiem for a dream.
Of course you don't. Lol. The other one is about disregarding his/her health and the other one is conciously removing your hand from your body. It doesn't mean the first guy wanted his hand to get cut off. Still both lack the capability to think rationally.

In conclusion: The man cut of his hand because of religion.

And you compare him to drug crazed maniacs and mentally ill people. Oh the irony.
 

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Outdated savage cultures, to be more precise. So what, though? I've heard radical crap like that throughout my childhood from muslim acquaintances.
See, this is about the only thing I've seen you write that I somewhat agree with. Some cultures are a bit outdated, yes. Yet you bring religion into it more than you need to. 1.6 billion people are Muslim, if a thousand of those people happen to be absolute idiots, do you really have a right to generalise? No.

You harmed yourself due to domestic abuse, neglect and severe depression. That is a legitimate reason.
They harm themselves to honor their retarded beliefs.
I laughed at this purely because - correct me if I'm mistaken - you had no clue as to why this guy had harmed himself, but you instantly defended his reasons for self harm, and even gave him a couple of reasons yourself. Brilliant.

People smoke cigarettes habitually and mostly to relax during and after work. Pleasure. Not harming another individual.
People have unprotected *** because the sensation is better. Pleasure. Not harming another individual.

Idk what level of sick you have to be to find pleasure in cutting your hand off. And this is done to other individuals. This thread is a perfect line-up with Hawker's signature.
Technically speaking, the boy who cut off his own hand did not harm others either.
 
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Then all the people here defending smokers are savages too, I guess.
Assumption and a strawman argument.

Assumption: people are defending smoking. No people are just differentiating it from cutting of your hand

Straw man: As no one was actually defending smoking or saying it is good for your health you make it seem they did and you exaggerate by saying they are savages which is completely ridiculous. Meaning exactly like this: "based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent"

Just please stick to reading your bible.
 

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Of course you don't. Lol. The other one is about disregarding his/her health and the other one is conciously removing your hand from your body. It doesn't mean the first guy wanted his hand to get cut off. Still both lack the capability to think rationally.

In conclusion: The man cut of his hand because of religion.

And you compare him to drug crazed maniacs and mentally ill people. Oh the irony.
The man cut off his hand because he misunderstood what the imam said, and misunderstood religion.

But yeah, you are right that this guy chopped off his hand on his own, while the drug addict didn't want that- but as you also said, they both lack rational thinking, so in that sense I'm also right there is not much difference between them. Therefore my point was that such stupidity is not unique to religions.
 

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The man cut off his hand because he misunderstood what the imam said, and misunderstood religion.

But yeah, you are right that this guy chopped off his hand on his own, while the drug addict didn't want that- but as you also said, they both lack rational thinking, so in that sense I'm also right there is not much difference between them. Therefore my point was that such stupidity is not unique to religions.
Yes there is not much difference between a religious person and a drug crazed maniac. You are right about that. Clad you accept it.
 

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That's a different issue too. All I said is that be careful declaring other cultures savage, because then you silently support your governments spreading their western civilization.

Fun fact: Aristotle wrote that barbarians (non-greeks) are slaves by nature.


But it's not a religious duty to cut off your hand. Read the aritcle again.

And my point is as follows:

Cutting of your limb: it's stupid. Few months ago there was a thread on NB that someone cut off her legs if my memory serves, because she feels better that way. Apparently it's not necessarily related to religious duty.

Praising those who cut off their limbs for misunderstanding the religion? Sure that's savage, but again, don't generalize for the above reasons.

Other than that, I don't really see the difference between someone cutting off his hand for misunderstanding the religion, or a drug addict getting infection and having his arm amputated as in the movie Requiem for a dream.


Cutting off his own hand didn't harm others. Smoking does.

Those examples were only to show that people do stupid things all the time, regardless of faith.
So demonizing savage, outdated cultures indirectly means I condone foreign intervention? I'm not some dumbass american redneck.
Demonizing savage, outdated cultures means I don't want that in my country. I don't want those people in my country. It doesn't mean I want to impose my progressive values unto them. You can't reason with a savage as you can't reason with a religious fanatic.

And cutting off limbs is part of sharia law. So, to them it IS their religion. And if someone is so systematically indoctrinated into thinking cutting off their own limb is admirable, then they will be ready to do it to someone else who disregards their sharia law.

What kind of retarded logic, is that..''then all the people here defending smokers are savages too, I guess''. How unbelievably desperate is this argument?

See, this is about the only thing I've seen you write that I somewhat agree with. Some cultures are a bit outdated, yes. Yet you bring religion into it more than you need to. 1.6 billion people are Muslim, if a thousand of those people happen to be absolute idiots, do you really have a right to generalise? No.



I laughed at this purely because - correct me if I'm mistaken - you had no clue as to why this guy had harmed himself, but you instantly defended his reasons for self harm, and even gave him a couple of reasons yourself. Brilliant.



Technically speaking, the boy who cut off his own hand did not harm others either.
1. Nice try. Only, in reality the amount of radical muslims numbers in approximately 300 million. 300 million of the 1.7 billion. That's pretty close to the number of citizens in the entire U.S. That's a force to be reckoned with.

2. I knew Kobak quite well. I supported him throughout his suicidal ordeals. Until he went full retard on me. So, yes I DO have a clue as to why he harmed himself. I even was in contact with his family.

3. Technically speaking, I did not say he cut off anyone else's hand. Try grasp the underlying point. If people are willing to cut off their own limb due to a systematically indoctrinated sense of pride and duty, then they will undoubtedly be willing to do it to others that disregard their faith.
 
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Then all the people here defending smokers are savages too, I guess.
You can call smokers savages if you want if you see it that way.
If you want what most people think of what savagery is or somewhat what is relative to this thread then imagine the world some 1000 years ago and imagine their way of punishment what they got for , what they thought was moral and think if some of those aspects reflect here.
 
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