teen cuts off own hand after mistakenly admitting to not praying
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What our governments have done in the past is not our fault nor should it be our problem. Back to present day, another fun fact: Crime rates skyrocket in Europe when who settles? Yeah. I'm talking common folk here. Not crooks in position of power.For theft, yeah. Of course you can call that savage, but let's not forget how Westerners in the name of spreading their more civilized culture, did savage things too.
@Bold Apparently you said that.
If others get a sexual disease and they need medic treatment from which is covered from the health care that's also paid by my taxes, then maybe it's my concern a bit. Other than that, I never said it's my concern, but then people cutting off their own hands is not your concern either.
I never said you get cancer by standing next to a smoker, so it's a strawman argument. I said it does harm those around you (especially little kids), and it does pollute the environement. These are facts
As for the second quote; you're not getting it. The point is to show you the difference between personal pleasure and religious duty.
And you're trying to create a whole argument, yet again, on semantics. Comparing the cutting off of limbs to smoking cigarettes and ***.
Edit: I don't even know what 'semantics' stands for lol..just caught myself doing that xd
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That's a different issue too. All I said is that be careful declaring other cultures savage, because then you silently support your governments spreading their western civilization.
Fun fact: Aristotle wrote that barbarians (non-greeks) are slaves by nature.
But it's not a religious duty to cut off your hand. Read the aritcle again.
And my point is as follows:
Cutting of your limb: it's stupid. Few months ago there was a thread on NB that someone cut off her legs if my memory serves, because she feels better that way. Apparently it's not necessarily related to religious duty.
Praising those who cut off their limbs for misunderstanding the religion? Sure that's savage, but again, don't generalize for the above reasons.
Other than that, I don't really see the difference between someone cutting off his hand for misunderstanding the religion, or a drug addict getting infection and having his arm amputated as in the movie Requiem for a dream.
Cutting off his own hand didn't harm others. Smoking does.
Those examples were only to show that people do stupid things all the time, regardless of faith.
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Of course you don't. Lol. The other one is about disregarding his/her health and the other one is conciously removing your hand from your body. It doesn't mean the first guy wanted his hand to get cut off. Still both lack the capability to think rationally.
In conclusion: The man cut of his hand because of religion.
And you compare him to drug crazed maniacs and mentally ill people. Oh the irony.
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Read my first post. I said it's stupid. Read my second post. I said it's better to say the reason for this is stupidity. Savagery is at best the description of the act, not a reason to do it.
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See, this is about the only thing I've seen you write that I somewhat agree with. Some cultures are a bit outdated, yes. Yet you bring religion into it more than you need to. 1.6 billion people are Muslim, if a thousand of those people happen to be absolute idiots, do you really have a right to generalise? No.
I laughed at this purely because - correct me if I'm mistaken - you had no clue as to why this guy had harmed himself, but you instantly defended his reasons for self harm, and even gave him a couple of reasons yourself. Brilliant.
Technically speaking, the boy who cut off his own hand did not harm others either.
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True, but they defend a harmful habit, which to me, is inhumane- therefore it's savage.
Assumption and a strawman argument.
Assumption: people are defending smoking. No people are just differentiating it from cutting of your hand
Straw man: As no one was actually defending smoking or saying it is good for your health you make it seem they did and you exaggerate by saying they are savages which is completely ridiculous. Meaning exactly like this: "based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent"
Just please stick to reading your bible.
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The man cut off his hand because he misunderstood what the imam said, and misunderstood religion.
But yeah, you are right that this guy chopped off his hand on his own, while the drug addict didn't want that- but as you also said, they both lack rational thinking, so in that sense I'm also right there is not much difference between them. Therefore my point was that such stupidity is not unique to religions.
So demonizing savage, outdated cultures indirectly means I condone foreign intervention? I'm not some dumbass american redneck.
Demonizing savage, outdated cultures means I don't want that in my country. I don't want those people in my country. It doesn't mean I want to impose my progressive values unto them. You can't reason with a savage as you can't reason with a religious fanatic.
And cutting off limbs is part of sharia law. So, to them it IS their religion. And if someone is so systematically indoctrinated into thinking cutting off their own limb is admirable, then they will be ready to do it to someone else who disregards their sharia law.
What kind of retarded logic, is that..''then all the people here defending smokers are savages too, I guess''. How unbelievably desperate is this argument?
1. Nice try. Only, in reality the amount of radical muslims numbers in approximately 300 million. 300 million of the 1.7 billion. That's pretty close to the number of citizens in the entire U.S. That's a force to be reckoned with.
2. I knew Kobak quite well. I supported him throughout his suicidal ordeals. Until he went full retard on me. So, yes I DO have a clue as to why he harmed himself. I even was in contact with his family.
3. Technically speaking, I did not say he cut off anyone else's hand. Try grasp the underlying point. If people are willing to cut off their own limb due to a systematically indoctrinated sense of pride and duty, then they will undoubtedly be willing to do it to others that disregard their faith.
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You can call smokers savages if you want if you see it that way.
If you want what most people think of what savagery is or somewhat what is relative to this thread then imagine the world some 1000 years ago and imagine their way of punishment what they got for , what they thought was moral and think if some of those aspects reflect here.