Technically Kurama Isn't The Strongest Tailed Beast!

[Chagy]

Kurama(yes without Naruto) having half of his chakra gone means, he can create less TBB than he could otherwise. It doesn't effect how powerfull his TBB is.

Because if they were all just chakra and if their stolen/sealed chakra would not come back, then the Kurama inside Naruto is "HALF tail" lol.

4 is gone with those brothers, 4.5 is gone with death seal. Making 8.5 of his chakra gone lol.


And trust me, if we are going to play with numbers, i can still make Kurama strongest despite i will divide it by 2.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Ok. The 3rd used the Reaper Deal Seal on Orochimaru, and took his arms away from him to where he could not use them whatsoever. But throughout the Manga we saw him regain his ability to move his arms. Kurama gains his chakra back, it just takes a long time for it to come back.

if thats the case people should be able to summon a weak minato.hashirama.hiruzen.tobirama..by now its been a long time since they were sealed so seal should be wearing off?

 

[Οdin]

And one more thing:

I don't believe that Kurama has regenerated the other half of his chakra. Just like Orochimaru, Kurama had a part of him sealed within the Death God. Now, I believe that the only reason Orochimaru was able to regain what he lost was because he reincarnated. Bijuu were thought to come back sometime after dying; this is actually reincarnation. I believe that the only way for Kurama to be able to regain what he lost to the Death God... is to actually die and reincarnate.

 

[Sir Blades]

come on kurama can solo five full beast and can counter 5 bijuu damas with one of his, nuff said.

 

[TiddlySkydiver]

if thats the case people should be able to summon a weak minato.hashirama.hiruzen.tobirama..by now its been a long time since they were sealed so seal should be wearing off?

The point is chakra does not equal souls. If that were true naruto wouldn't have been able to go past 4 tails in the cloak.

 

[Cascade]

Oh really? I forgot Kurama is a Jinchuriki..

Kurama is a tailed beast, Naruto is his jinchuuriki...

 

[Saiyan Prince Vegeta]

if thats the case people should be able to summon a weak minato.hashirama.hiruzen.tobirama..by now its been a long time since they were sealed so seal should be wearing off?

That's not what I'm implying...I'm saying since the 3rd didn't seal his soul, he could gain his ability to move his arms back. And since Minato didn't seal Kurama into the Death God, and only took half of Kurama's chakra, Kurama gained his chakra back.

 

[Cascade]

"Perhaps its amount of chakra 'available' that determines size of the beast - and therefore Kurama = smaller without Naruto."

I don't think kurama would be smaller without naruto. remember when it was still hostile and attacked the village and that, what was the source of its power? hatred, revenge, all that malicious shit. those aren't naruto's top "qualities" so if anything it (kurama) is smaller with naruto.

Unless..with them working together and kurama's going all good and tht the source of its power turns to the good.

When kurama attacked the village under control of sharingan - he wasn't halved in power yet. He was only halved right before he was sealed in Naruto - thats why its been stated that 'half of the 9 tails beast was sealed in Naruto'. Its not Kurama's TRUE strength, but its whats available.

In relation to some other posts, stating that the chakra would regenerate.

Think about it this way

you have a bottle that fits 1L of water, you can refill that bottle to 1L.

You cut the bottle in half, it now holds 500ml of water, You can no longer fill it to 1L.

its exactly the same with Kurama without naruto.

I know my opinion doesn't hold any value, but neither does yours. You say that Kurama doesn't have a physical body, but he did have one. But now that he's sealed within Naruto, he doesn't have one. When Kurama was first shown in the series, you could see that he did have a body. Also, the manga has stated that the more tails a Bijuu has the stronger it is, but it has also been stated that tails doesn't equal to strength; how are we supposed to take those words as fact when Kurama proved to be stronger or equal to five Bijuu?

Some theories are worth reading into, but this one does not interest me... at all.

then dont post

To my knowledge it has been stated that tails = amount of chakra
but the ability for a beast to work with his jinchuuriki = strength.

thats why i asked you if you thought kurama with sakura as a jinchuriki wouldn't be able to own the other 5 beasts like it just did with naruto.this is where i was coming from

Sakura's chakra wouldnt be able to supress the kyuubi - but yes if they were working together then they would most likely still be able to dominate.

Generally choice of jinchuuriki has been determined through strength of chakra able to surpress tailed beast chakra correct?

ie Naruto, bee, etc.

so the joining of them together makes them > just the tailed beast.

 

[Sephy100]

Put it like this: You're the strongest of 5 kids. Your brothers ambush you and tie both your hands behind your back. Then they charge you and defeat all 4 of your brothers, with your hands behind your back. Does that not validate your position as the strongest of 5 kids. Kurama is the strongest. Also, I don't remember reading about Kurama being sealed in Naruto with half it's strength. Please send me the link. Thank you.

 

[Cascade]

Put it like this: You're the strongest of 5 kids. Your brothers ambush you and tie both your hands behind your back. Then they charge you and defeat all 4 of your brothers, with your hands behind your back. Does that not validate your position as the strongest of 5 kids. Kurama is the strongest. No if's, and's, or but's about it.

Not if you find a knife on the ground that you can use anyway... (naruto)

 

[Uchiiha]

hmm i have to give you + rep for this bit: "Think about it this way

you have a bottle that fits 1L of water, you can refill that bottle to 1L.

You cut the bottle in half, it now holds 500ml of water, You can no longer fill it to 1L.

its exactly the same with Kurama without naruto."

Makes perfect sense tbh. kurama could be using naruto as much as naruto is using kurama to have access to the chakra thats inside naruto. maybe using is not the correct word but they are working as a team so at the end of the day they are using each other.

Look at it this way though xD (my turn):

Kurama's fighting with his power halved.fair enough. all the other beasts are fighting full power in sync with their jinchurikis. still kurama's "half" biju dama matches (not to say owned) all five Complete biju damas of the other TBs. biju damas have nothing to do with team work in this case, its Power against Power.even though kurama might have a tiny bit of access to its chakra thats sealed inside naruto it cant be nowhere near enough to be close to its full power, and yet...u know where im going lol

The ammount of chakra in that creature is RIDICULOUS. i believe that half of it would at least match the 8 tails.

 

[Chagy]

If we go with they are only Chakra theory, Eight-Tails had lost some of his chakra which was actually sealed by Tobi and his gang. He and Killer B had a talk and Killer B had said "it is not like you won't grow it back" or something like that.

So i believe they regenerate.

İf we don't go with that theory, still they regenerate.

 

[Uchiiha]

If we go with they are only Chakra theory, Eight-Tails had lost some of his chakra which was actually sealed by Tobi and his gang. He and Killer B had a talk and Killer B had said "it is not like you won't grow it back" or something like that.

So i believe they regenerate.

İf we don't go with that theory, still they regenerate.

i think B was referring to the fact that the 8 tails is an octopus. they regenerate their arms when cut. i think what u talking about its exactly when sasuke cut the 8 tails bit which allowed B to escape but left the beast pissed cuz it got cut hence the "its not like you wont grow it back"

 

[Takure]

It's also stated that, when Naruto is using Kurama's chakra, Kurama can/was/is consuming Naruto's chakra. It makes sense, that over the years Kuramas chakra pool would be replenished to it's original size.

If you're dehydrated, you drink water to replenish hydration levels.
If Kurama was missing chakra, what would he do? That's right, he would feast on Naruto chakra to replenish his own chakra pool.

 

[GreyWizard93]

are you ranking kurama in chakra or strength, im confused because hes pretty badass to me. =D

 

[Sephy100]

You could think of Kurama as an iPod and Naruto as the charger. When kurama has half it's chakra it looks to naruto to "charge" him back up to 100% and that's what he's been doing over the years.

 

[MasatoUchiha]

the amount of chakra matters only a little bit. what matters the most is their true power.
Oh and also it said that tailed beasts regenerated themselves over time, or at least when they die so i dont know if that would apply now but i think it is

 

[Cascade]

It's not confirmed either way, also the size of a tbb doesn't determine chakra available, I believe I'm Arguing chakra amount and therefore the "strength" aswell

 

[ANBU Kakashi23]

For those who CBB to read - Read the Bold

Now as we all know, realistically the true strength of a tailed beast and his Jinchuuriki is not determined by the actual strength of the tailed beast, it is a combination of both of their abilities and their choice to work together that allows them to become powerful.

This removes the factor of the current fight during the war - as all tailed beasts (At least up until Edo was Released) have a Jinchuuriki to work with.

Now that is clarified we can begin to talk about the chakra available to the tailed beasts and what they really are.
I recently read a thread by @Blaze Release Wherein he determines that the tailed beasts are merely forms of spiritual energy - and do not have a physical body.

After understanding this theory, it is important to acknowledge that generally, the power of each tailed beast BY THEMSELVES (With no Jinchuuriki) is determined by the amount of tails each beast has.
This is further supported by the 8 Tails comment about the 9 tails - that the power of a Tailed beast is not determined only by the amount of tails but by the ability to work with their host. This informs us that Kurama is not working with his host at the time - he is weaker than other tailed beasts that do.
Therefore Kurama's Arrogance causes him to be weak (Alone)

In addition, the most important factor to acknowledge about Kurama's power is that his power was cut in half.
During the battle with the 4th Hokage (Minato), the 4th uses the Reaper Death Seal to seal half of the 9 Tails Chakra - evidently causing him to become halved in size.
The other half of this chakra was then sealed within Naruto - and remained with him for the rest of his life.

Now, to my knowledge, the other tailed beasts did not have any of their chakra sealed or removed from existence through being sealed - only the 9 tails lost any of his original chakra - which was sealed - halving him in size.

Therefore the chakra of the 9 tails has been halved whilst the other beast's chakra has not.
The question is up to whether or not you personally believe that the chakra of the 9 tails would be recreated in existence - (similar to what would happen if the tailed beast died with its host.)

The difference between a death and a seal, is that when the chakra is sealed - it becomes unavailable to the world - just as sealed souls are no longer available to be used in an Edo Tensei.

Therefore it is plausible to substantiate an argument that states that only half of Kurama's actual chakra is sealed - and therefore - available to Naruto, making Kurama, by himself, NOT THE STRONGEST in chakra either.

To my understanding the list might look (based on chakra) a little like this.

1, 2, 3, 4, (9), 5, 6, 7, 8
----------- 4.5------------

What do you think, and do you believe that Kurama regains his chakra over time / his being is regenerated as his chakra 'died' in the RDS?

by that logic wouldnt gyuki/bees perfect jin situation make them superior to narutos new/incomplete bm mode in strength?

also, with regards to kurama regenerating his chakra, i personally feel like this is a very real possibility, as youve said, the bijuus when inside the jinchuriki when he or she dies, also cease to exist for a considerable period of time, yet theyre still able to reconstitute themselves in their entirety, chakra and consciousness, and given theyre comprised completely of chakra this means that they, technically being chakra, reconstitutes itself over time

now with that said i do not believe that kurama can regain his yin chakra, the chakra that allows one to create form out of nothingness , that is sealed in the rds and as of now thats absolute, but given that these chakra entities have been stated to reconstitute themselves over a period of time i see no reason why kurama's yang chakra, his energy/vitality , what brings life to the form created from the yin, wouldnt fill the void left behind by the yin getting sealed

 

[warlee]

Even if the kyuubi chakra has been halved it's said to posses close to infinite chakra and his(her) chakra being reduced doesn't limit his abilities,he won't get slower,his durability the same even his tail beast bomb still big as before, it's his abilities that make him the strongest not chakra and even when halved still have better showings than bee+hachibi. And no other tail beast is said to have close to infinite chakra, judging from your title and your post it seems you think chakra determines strenght and you are wrong abilities determines strenght 50percent kyuubi will still beat other tail beast