Different aspects not abilities. Had it been different abilities it would have different names. And while using intangibility unless he's overlapping with something his body is in the real world.
not only would that be pointless,(since technically and based on what body part he hits she can just grow back) it would also be detrimental(since she might still retained the ability to fire ash bones through her own portal back to the real world. Not to mention it gives her the ability to attack from both sides)
Ok so he will not try keep his Kamui sniping eye aka left in real world so he can kamui snipe something becoz otherwise he will be sniping in kamui dimension :|
Guys I am sorry that it took so much time but I finally completed my new thread about this debate as I noticed every Kamui fan was ingnoring my post on this thread to stick to their's beliefs
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Here I proved for last time that it can not be done, enjoy
i am saying that, if obito activated the intangibility, anything going to touch obito’s body, will phase through his body even if obito cant see this thing
he already made things phase through him though it was out his sight range
he even phased through rin body against his will,because he was still activating the jutsu
if what you say was true, then he phased through rin at his will and that isnt true because he himself was surprised
1. Different abilities also He will definitely require his eye to be in real world while sniping
2.Deny:Nope i just have my doubts and i only said nvr happened so fanfic becoz of op's comment
3.If dat was the case kakashi with Rikodo chakra would have used it rather than kamui raikiri
Wut im saying is can he lock two different Solid targets at same time one being himself via Intagibility other whom he is kamui sniping
Thats plot and Kishi gave Kakashi some shine time with his PS and Kamui Raikiri and Shuriken
I could think of lots way that any character can easily be defeated
Eg : Sasuke could have just burnt Kabuto with enton and then after a while he could have dispersed it and then Itachi could have put him under Genjutsu
Eg 2 : Naruto could just Magnet Release Seal Sasuke
it's still kamui, and the way it's used only gets better when both are together. (true power of both eyes, as said by madara, and obito and proved by madara, obito and Kakashi).
she'd regrow. Not to mention it puts him at the same disadvantage he put obito in. Limiting his overall use of the technique. Doing that makes entering and using intangibility a potential risk factor.
Ok so he will not try keep his Kamui sniping eye aka left in real world so he can kamui snipe something becoz otherwise he will be sniping in kamui dimension :|
why would he do that? The whole point is to make yourself untouchable while attacking from a distance. Taking out the risk factor of using Kamui snipe.
nah bro i will be logging out in 5 mins
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kakashi not beingskilled at intangibility is your fanfic
ok, i said he can kamui snipe if his eyes are still in the real dimension
you also misunderstand the mechanism of intangibility ,it is spontenous process, obito made thing coming towards his back phase theough him, he even phased through rin body againat his will,just because the intangibility was already activated read my previous post
no, obito’s having hashirama cells kept his eye light fine for more than 20 year despite spamming with it
kakashi himself said that rikudo chakra made his eyes stronger, he even warped kaguya’s bone and portal from quite a far distance
Fanfic? How is it fanfic when he never done it? It's fanfic thinking Kakashi, who took months to about a year just to become as good as he was with his Kui, and you think he's going to magically know how to fully use a Kamui that works differently.
Ok, and since he has no definitive feat of making selective parts of his body intangible and that he only used it once, after he becomes solid he's no longer using Kamui intangibility now is he? Unless you think he can instantly know how to use a different jutsu after using it once, he doesn't have the same mastery as Obito.
No it's not spontaneous, that would mean they don't focus chakra into their eye which means it doesn't uses chakra which is false as Kakashi stated it takes a lot of chakra in retrieve Gaara arc. Yeah and Itachi threw Kunais behind him hitting Naruto's clones without look. It's common knowledge that ninjas can sense the presences of enemies; not like sensors but like a sixth sense. Against the mist ninjas he had Zetsu helping him and when he had the Rinnegan it gave him sensory ability as both Madara and Nagato also showed with the Rinnegan. As for the Rin part, he subconsciously used Kamui sent he didn't want to beleive she was dead and is why he calls her fake Rin because the real Rin isn't dead. Sasuke used Susanoo when he lost track of A's speed right in time to save himself but that doesn't make Susanoo spontaneous.
Ok, yet Kakashi didn't have that did he? Obito never said the eye he had was going blind but Kakashi said the one he had was so blind that he had to be right up in Madara's shield to use Kamui. There's a differences between preventing and slowing down but Kakashi didn't have any of that. At most, the use of Kamui from Madara and Obito didn't lessen the eye's sight from how Kakashi had it since they both had Hashirama's cells and the Rikudo chakra. Also no Obito wasn't spamming Kamui for like 20 years, there was no reason for him to even use it that much since he fought Minato and the mist ninjas and that's all. He pus use it to travel but it's not like he needed to go many places since he had Nagato take control of Akatsuki for a time.
Yeah, strong enough to use PS, that doesn't mean the eye's vision recovered. Obito used it on Kaguya portals in a much more skilled way, Itachi already said Kakashi can't use the Sharingan as a true Uchiha. Quiet a far distance? He was close to them
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. About the same distances as with Madara just a few feet farther
let’s face it
first,nothing in the manga says they can't, I mean when it was stated that 1 MS Obito needs to be tangible in order to warp himself or others, that was because these techs need a solidified body
in order to use kamui on himself ,he needs to be tangible, also in order to warp others using short range version, he needs to touch the said objects first, that means he needs to be tangible
but when it comes to DMS obito/kakashi, there is nothing prevents them from sniping while being intangible, nothing in the manga says they can't even by logic, obito doesn't need to be solidified to snipe, as long range kamui doesn't need solidified body, it only needs a look to a target
Obito needs to be solid in order to warp anything in or out of his kamui dimension. This includes things that he doesnʻt have to touch such as the shuriken and giant stakes that come out of his eyes.
I do believe that "Intangibility" is like a mode he turns on and off.
Although the parts that are sent to the other dimension are the ones that overlap with other objects as shown multiple times. So as long as something isn't overlapping with his left eye, it won't be transferred to his dimension.
The only way I'd find it possible for him to be unable to do that is if only one Kamui function could be used at a time.
Right eye- Phasing Kamui, Warping
Left eye- Distance Kamui, Warping
Both eyes- Kamui Portals, Faster warping
It wasn't made clear so I can't outright say that he can or he can't. I just don't know and because of that, I won't pretend like I do know so I won't use multiple Kamui functions at a time in a discussion.
LMAO, Obito could've phased through the bone attack but then what would be the point of getting infront of Naruto, if he was simply going to phase through the bone. Naruto would've been fked.
Obito can NOT use Kamui snipe while phasing and I have good proofs for that:
1. The manga has never shown neither Obito or Kakashi using Kamui snipe while phasing, It was never stated that he can as well.
"Not shown != can not do it until it will be shownn" accepted by everyone simple law about feats of characters.
2. However there is another harder proof which completly show neither Obito or Kakashi can kamui snipe while phasing. The proof lays in Kishi creating specifically conditions/opportunity/ties for certain character to proves being able to use certain ability or combo.
In Obito's case there was no such case, sadly. However arguably Obito's charka powered DMS Kakashi with Rikudou chakra had two opportunities in which he could display such feat, and Kishi made him not to either restrict/nerf him or simply show "Kamui user can not do it"
a) First opportunity was when Kakashi was phasing through ash bone while approaching flying at him Kaguya at full speed. Kakashi could easily uses Kamui snipe if he could:
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These excusses as She has even better S/T and She can regenerate. First has nothing to with it, unless you finally admit Kaguya could enter Kamui dimenssion at any moment, while second one makes not difference as nothing stopped Kaguya from regenerate from Kamui Raikiri which was just new show off as fan service because Kamui snipe would do the same thing(it could rip her arm and even more the arm along with BZ could be warped to other dimenssion - better result)
b) When Kakashi was falling down and used Kamui snipe Kishi would easily hype Kamui users even more by making either Kaguya or BZ shooting ash bone and make it phasing through Kakashi while he was warping her Space time Portal from which ash bone was emerging to hit Naruto:
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Even If logic could say that making just Eye stay tangible while rest of body phasing would be enough then it still doesn't make it true as manga has shown it can not be done.
RESULT: Kamui user can not use long range warp while phasing.
UNLESS NEW FOURTH DATABOOK WILL STATES OTHERWISE, SO PRAYING IS ONLY WHAT YOU CAN DO Kamui fanboys.
Well Hope dies last, so who knows.
Obito can NOT use Kamui snipe while phasing and I have good proofs for that:
1. The manga has never shown neither Obito or Kakashi using Kamui snipe while phasing, It was never stated that he can as well.
"Not shown != can not do it until it will be shownn" accepted by everyone simple law about feats of characters.
2. However there is another harder proof which completly show neither Obito or Kakashi can kamui snipe while phasing. The proof lays in Kishi creating specifically conditions/opportunity/ties for certain character to proves being able to use certain ability or combo.
In Obito's case there was no such case, sadly. However arguably Obito's charka powered DMS Kakashi with Rikudou chakra had two opportunities in which he could display such feat, and Kishi made him not to either restrict/nerf him or simply show "Kamui user can not do it"
a) First opportunity was when Kakashi was phasing through ash bone while approaching flying at him Kaguya at full speed. Kakashi could easily uses Kamui snipe if he could:
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These excusses as She has even better S/T and She can regenerate. First has nothing to with it, unless you finally admit Kaguya could enter Kamui dimenssion at any moment, while second one makes not difference as nothing stopped Kaguya from regenerate from Kamui Raikiri which was just new show off as fan service because Kamui snipe would do the same thing(it could rip her arm and even more the arm along with BZ could be warped to other dimenssion - better result)
b) When Kakashi was falling down and used Kamui snipe Kishi would easily hype Kamui users even more by making either Kaguya or BZ shooting ash bone and make it phasing through Kakashi while he was warping her Space time Portal from which ash bone was emerging to hit Naruto:
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Even If logic could say that making just Eye stay tangible while rest of body phasing would be enough then it still doesn't make it true as manga has shown it can not be done.
RESULT: Kamui user can not use long range warp while phasing.
UNLESS NEW FOURTH DATABOOK WILL STATES OTHERWISE, SO PRAYING IS ONLY WHAT YOU CAN DO Kamui fanboys.
Well Hope dies last, so who knows.
That was just a setup to show off Kamui Raikiri and Kishi gave Kakashi and new feats with DMS
Just because Kishi didnt show it doesnt mean a character cannot perform it[Even though Obito used DK to warp himself,Sakura and Naruto]
By your logic Madara cant use Shinra Tensei or Animal path? or even summom the King of Hell
Also your right about "why didnt Kakashi uses DK to end the fight quicker"
Similar statements can also be said for many fights as to how a character could have won quicker...and using DK on Kaguya is pointless as well
That was just a setup to show off Kamui Raikiri and Kishi gave Kakashi and new feats with DMS
Just because Kishi didnt show it doesnt mean a character cannot perform it[Even though Obito used DK to warp himself,Sakura and Naruto]
By your logic Madara cant use Shinra Tensei or Animal path? or even summom the King of Hell
Also your right about "why didnt Kakashi uses DK to end the fight quicker"
Similar statements can also be said for many fights as to how a character could have won quicker...and using DK on Kaguya is pointless as well
Well you can bing how many excudses you see fit.
However this is how it works.
No matter how many signs point he could and even if he has all needed ingredients it is still nothing When manga hasnt shown him do it or stated he can.
In vs it can not be used just like Madara usong shinra tensei or mentioned by you abilities
no he cant,
he needs to solidify in-order to form the void that connects the two dimensions,
if hes in the kamui dimension and attempts to use the warp, then it just wont connect between the 2 dimension
no he cant,
he needs to solidify in-order to form the void that connects the two dimensions,
if hes in the kamui dimension and attempts to use the warp, then it just wont connect between the 2 dimension
Intangibilty is just another aspect of kamui. He's already been shown using both at once this is no different. But you know. KCMNaruto and others will be butthurt that Kamui is that op.
Intangibilty is just another aspect of kamui. He's already been shown using both at once this is no different. But you know. KCMNaruto and others will be butthurt that Kamui is that op.
