Technically, Akatsuki members never really lost to anyone

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The Akatsuki were hard core, S ranked missing nins, the baddest of the bad, so to speak. In all their fights, they never really lost per se. Let's look at the members:

1. Sasori: The puppet master literally let himself get stabbed after recalling his past. If he had really wanted, both his opponent's would've been dead. Full stop.

2. Deidara: Sasuke never killed him. Sure he was cornered, but dei's ultimate art was a suicide bombing that changed the terrain and would've killed sasuke if he had been even a split second late with the reverse summoning. It was'nt sasuke's victory as it much as it was deidara's artwork.

3. Itachi: Tobi said if itachi wanted, sasuke would've been dead. It was all pre planned, and itachi wanted to die at his brother's hand. He was never beaten by him/killed.

4. Kisame: He was cornered, but he chose death over dishonor or betraying the Akatsuki. He made his own sharks eat himself, he was'nt killed by his opponents.

5. Pain/Nagato: Naruto only managed to beat dead corpses. If after that he had fought Nagato, odds are he would've been killed/captured. Nagato, like so many other akatsuki, chose his own death by opting to follow a different path. Again he was'nt beaten.

6. Kakuzu: One on one he would've beaten even kakashi(who was tired and dead on his feet in their fight). It was only when naruto, yamato, chouji and ino plus kakashi all took him on at once that he failed. Can't really call that a fight.

7. Orochimaru: Hiruzen's rds failed to kill him. And itachi's totsuka did'nt really seal him away, either as it turns out his consciousness inhabited itself in anko's curse seal as well.


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that fodder hidan does'nt really deserve to be called a member of the invincible akatsuki
 

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The Akatsuki were hard core, S ranked missing nins, the baddest of the bad, so to speak. In all their fights, they never really lost per se. Let's look at the members:

1. Sasori: The puppet master literally let himself get stabbed after recalling his past. If he had really wanted, both his opponent's would've been dead. Full stop.

2. Deidara: Sasuke never killed him. Sure he was cornered, but dei's ultimate art was a suicide bombing that changed the terrain and would've killed sasuke if he had been even a split second late with the reverse summoning. It was'nt sasuke's victory as it much as it was deidara's artwork.

3. Itachi: Tobi said if itachi wanted, sasuke would've been dead. It was all pre planned, and itachi wanted to die at his brother's hand. He was never beaten by him/killed.

4. Kisame: He was cornered, but he chose death over dishonor or betraying the Akatsuki. He made his own sharks eat himself, he was'nt killed by his opponents.

5. Pain/Nagato: Naruto only managed to beat dead corpses. If after that he had fought Nagato, odds are he would've been killed/captured. Nagato, like so many other akatsuki, chose his own death by opting to follow a different path. Again he was'nt beaten.

6. Kakuzu: One on one he would've beaten even kakashi(who was tired and dead on his feet in their fight). It was only when naruto, yamato, chouji and ino plus kakashi all took him on at once that he failed. Can't really call that a fight.

7. Orochimaru: Hiruzen's rds failed to kill him. And itachi's totsuka did'nt really seal him away, either as it turns out his consciousness inhabited itself in anko's curse seal as well.


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that fodder hidan does'nt really deserve to be called a member of the invincible akatsuki
yup..yup senpai..i agree
 

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Well still getting lost is getting lost.
Not everyone has the perfect conditions in a fight and if you lose; you lose.
But i can agree on Deidara, Sasori and Itachi.
 

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4. Kisame: He was cornered, but he chose death over dishonor or betraying the Akatsuki. He made his own sharks eat himself, he was'nt killed by his opponents.

Disagree, they all had him, and he lost big time to Guy.
 

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Agreed, agreed. The whole "bad guy gives up" theme is so overused in Naruto. But that's better than the good characters pulling OP techniques out of their ass to be able to actually beat them on their own
 
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I agree with you.
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I completely agree.

However, I don't agree with Hidan being a fodder.
Only compared to the rest of the giants in akatsuki.
4. Kisame: He was cornered, but he chose death over dishonor or betraying the Akatsuki. He made his own sharks eat himself, he was'nt killed by his opponents.

Disagree, they all had him, and he lost big time to Guy.
Rubbish. He first owned a perfect jinchuriki like bee, guy was just a bad match up for him. That does'nt take away the fact that he carried out akatsuki's goals to the end.
 

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Naruto > kakuzu. :I
Base Naruto isn't stronger than Kakuzu at all. U_U
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Only compared to the rest of the giants in akatsuki
Yes, I agree that he doesn't have a chance against the 1st - 7th strongest Akatsuki(These guys are basically in Top 20/15 and some of them even Top 10), but compared with the shinobi out there Hidan isn't fodder. :eww:
 
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Being defeated doesn't mean dying.

Kisame was defeated unfortunately. Although if he knew that Guy's attack wasn't chakra based, the outcome may have been different.

and you didn't mention Hidan nor Konan.
 

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Yes, I agree that he doesn't have a chance against the 1st - 7th strongest Akatsuki(These guys are basically in Top 20/15 and some of them even Top 10), but compared with the shinobi out there Hidan isn't fodder. :eww:[/QUOTE]
Affirmative.
Being defeated doesn't mean dying.

Kisame was defeated unfortunately. Although if he knew that Guy's attack wasn't chakra based, the outcome may have been different.

and you didn't mention Hidan nor Konan.
Hidan was mentioned. Konan lost to the founder of Akatsuki, tobi. Does'nt really count.
 

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You can't exclude Hidan and call him fodder. That's like saying Naruto isn't a Genin because he is too strong.
Itachi lost to Sasuke. No matter what the circumstances and whether he planned it, he lost.
Kisame lost to Gai, plain and simple.
Kakuzu also lost. Doesn't matter how many were against him, he still lost.
Pain also lost. Nagato didn't, but Pain was comprehensively beaten by Naruto.
 

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You can't exclude Hidan and call him fodder. That's like saying Naruto isn't a Genin because he is too strong.
Itachi lost to Sasuke. No matter what the circumstances and whether he planned it, he lost.
Kisame lost to Gai, plain and simple.
Kakuzu also lost. Doesn't matter how many were against him, he still lost.
Pain also lost. Nagato didn't, but Pain was comprehensively beaten by Naruto.

Tobi said if Itachi wanted, Sasuke would be dead and they wuld'nt be having this conversation.


Pain=Nagato, same thing.
 

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Yes, I agree that he doesn't have a chance against the 1st - 7th strongest Akatsuki(These guys are basically in Top 20/15 and some of them even Top 10), but compared with the shinobi out there Hidan isn't fodder. :eww:
Affirmative.


Hidan was mentioned. Konan lost to the founder of Akatsuki, tobi. Does'nt really count.[/QUOTE]

and Kisame? He lost the fight fairly, only he took his own life, but he still lost the battle. Him taking his life was after the battle.
 
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