Technicalities and Officials

[Zanji]

Alright I have seriously had enough of seeing these kind of matches and results...

I recently I have been looking threw matches after matches and have noticed something that annoys me to no end, and that is someone winning or losing by technicalities.

The fact that someone is incapable of judging for themselves if a move is valid or not can be troublesome but to the extent of someone constantly running to a RP mod to validate someone's actions that you are fighting against is just pure bull shit and cowardice.

Obtaining a win threw technicalities is nothing, there is no skill there is nothing gained from it other than showing people that you are incapable of judging it for yourself and lack an imagination.

So what I suggest that should be done about this is.....in an tournament match or a bio test match or what have you. If you ask for validation of an opponents move from an outside source more than 3 times (and failed to prove them wrong all 3 times) should either lose or be incapable of asking for validation just so they can attempt to win threw technicalities.

It pisses me off to no end to see that the only ones here with a battle sense are us old timers while you newer rookies do nothing more than stay far away throwing nukes at one another and if your incapable of judging you run to a mod just to get them to make the final verdict of the match....which in the end result takes the fun out of the RP.

Now another thing that annoys me but is not quite as long or as much....

What you rookies call "Official" Matches. Where participants are restricted to only using the 5 basic elements, nin, tai, and genjutsu's.........There is Nothing official about that kind of match absolutely nothing that is what I consider a "Restriction" Match. A Truly "Official" match is when the participants are using everything they know and is an all out battle with 0 restrictions to what one can use.

Please do not post in this thread just stating
"I agree" or something to that degree, shows us that your nothing more than a novice rookie just trying to up their post count. Elaborate what you think.

 

[-Haku Yuki-]

vaild point but if you get in cose in a fight here's what happens

ninja one charges at ninja two and punchs him ninja two use's chidori current and ninja one lose's that's why we don't get in close. O_O but you have a point

 

[Daemon]

Okay and? I know your feeling when you lose by a technicality but. Meh what can you do. And even the everything goes matches people can still win by technicalities.

 

[Dragonfly X]

But the problem is, what if the person they are fighting is actually making big mistakes, and the other one is refusing to hear anything on the matter. Then it is required to go to the mods. And what if after the 3 no's on the match, they have a legitimate problem, people could use that to their advantage, thinking "Oh, he has used up his three tries, perhaps I will actually make a move in bad taste to turn the fight in my favor."
And about the whole "Bullshit and Cowardice" thing, did something like this happen to you, and you are just making this thread out of anger? Because that is what it sounds like...
And as for the bashing of rookies, they are rookies, if you want to stop it so much, why don't you "old timers" make a thread, get together, and invite a group in and make it sort of a class of general battle tactics. So either do something like that, or stop complaining, because don't complain about the status quo if you do nothing to change it...

 

[Anduril]

Alright I have seriously had enough of seeing these kind of matches and results...

I recently I have been looking threw matches after matches and have noticed something that annoys me to no end, and that is someone winning or losing by technicalities.

The fact that someone is incapable of judging for themselves if a move is valid or not can be troublesome but to the extent of someone constantly running to a RP mod to validate someone's actions that you are fighting against is just pure bull shit and cowardice.

Obtaining a win threw technicalities is nothing, there is no skill there is nothing gained from it other than showing people that you are incapable of judging it for yourself and lack an imagination.

So what I suggest that should be done about this is.....in an tournament match or a bio test match or what have you. If you ask for validation of an opponents move from an outside source more than 3 times (and failed to prove them wrong all 3 times) should either lose or be incapable of asking for validation just so they can attempt to win threw technicalities.

It pisses me off to no end to see that the only ones here with a battle sense are us old timers while you newer rookies do nothing more than stay far away throwing nukes at one another and if your incapable of judging you run to a mod just to get them to make the final verdict of the match....which in the end result takes the fun out of the RP.

Now another thing that annoys me but is not quite as long or as much....

What you rookies call "Official" Matches. Where participants are restricted to only using the 5 basic elements, nin, tai, and genjutsu's.........There is Nothing official about that kind of match absolutely nothing that is what I consider a "Restriction" Match. A Truly "Official" match is when the participants are using everything they know and is an all out battle with 0 restrictions to what one can use.

Please do not post in this thread just stating
"I agree" or something to that degree, shows us that your nothing more than a novice rookie just trying to up their post count. Elaborate what you think.

dude i am a rookie but i agree with most of what u said....
Now the way u presented it was a little bit condescending towards us new members which if we were to leave the base would have 30 old members please keep that in mind.

But i agree that people are more interested in finding out flaws in the opponents move than in thinking about a way to counter his move....

I mean u can keep the match going and if there is a technical glitch the mods will find it when they are checking and kinda grading the particular match. And depending on that let the mod decide the winner instead of barging to there profile with your opponents move...
Consider my match for example i so want to keep going but my opponent is stuck on the first move and wont reply....

I mean if there are technicalities let the mods find out after the time for the battle has run out or the match is over. I mean its one thing saying i get out of kirin by using hurricane fist or i jump out of the way of mountain smash by creating a pillar then these things are really worth reporting .....

But for minor time differences if u start running to a mod its gonna make there and our lifes tough considering we are here for fun....and it is not actual battle so its really hard to predict the time margins.....

So just keep fighting and after the move by move analysis let the mods decide who the better fighter among the two is at least thats how things should be in official tourney or other matches the spars can go to hell....

 

[Vincent]

Alright I have seriously had enough of seeing these kind of matches and results...

I recently I have been looking threw matches after matches and have noticed something that annoys me to no end, and that is someone winning or losing by technicalities.

The fact that someone is incapable of judging for themselves if a move is valid or not can be troublesome but to the extent of someone constantly running to a RP mod to validate someone's actions that you are fighting against is just pure bull shit and cowardice.

Obtaining a win threw technicalities is nothing, there is no skill there is nothing gained from it other than showing people that you are incapable of judging it for yourself and lack an imagination.

So what I suggest that should be done about this is.....in an tournament match or a bio test match or what have you. If you ask for validation of an opponents move from an outside source more than 3 times (and failed to prove them wrong all 3 times) should either lose or be incapable of asking for validation just so they can attempt to win threw technicalities.

It pisses me off to no end to see that the only ones here with a battle sense are us old timers while you newer rookies do nothing more than stay far away throwing nukes at one another and if your incapable of judging you run to a mod just to get them to make the final verdict of the match....which in the end result takes the fun out of the RP.

Now another thing that annoys me but is not quite as long or as much....

What you rookies call "Official" Matches. Where participants are restricted to only using the 5 basic elements, nin, tai, and genjutsu's.........There is Nothing official about that kind of match absolutely nothing that is what I consider a "Restriction" Match. A Truly "Official" match is when the participants are using everything they know and is an all out battle with 0 restrictions to what one can use.

Please do not post in this thread just stating
"I agree" or something to that degree, shows us that your nothing more than a novice rookie just trying to up their post count. Elaborate what you think.

I agree with you on most of this, Many peope come running to senseis or rp mods to try and win on a technicality and it is immensely annoying, but unfortunately, thats the kind of rper the system is currently producing, the only way to change it is try and alter the perception that you must win at any cost and make the rp about fun again, as this mentality is what ruined the wars in the ninja world system

 

[Professor Sarutobi]

Alright I have seriously had enough of seeing these kind of matches and results...

I recently I have been looking threw matches after matches and have noticed something that annoys me to no end, and that is someone winning or losing by technicalities.

The fact that someone is incapable of judging for themselves if a move is valid or not can be troublesome but to the extent of someone constantly running to a RP mod to validate someone's actions that you are fighting against is just pure bull shit and cowardice.

Obtaining a win threw technicalities is nothing, there is no skill there is nothing gained from it other than showing people that you are incapable of judging it for yourself and lack an imagination.

So what I suggest that should be done about this is.....in an tournament match or a bio test match or what have you. If you ask for validation of an opponents move from an outside source more than 3 times (and failed to prove them wrong all 3 times) should either lose or be incapable of asking for validation just so they can attempt to win threw technicalities.

It pisses me off to no end to see that the only ones here with a battle sense are us old timers while you newer rookies do nothing more than stay far away throwing nukes at one another and if your incapable of judging you run to a mod just to get them to make the final verdict of the match....which in the end result takes the fun out of the RP.

Now another thing that annoys me but is not quite as long or as much....

What you rookies call "Official" Matches. Where participants are restricted to only using the 5 basic elements, nin, tai, and genjutsu's.........There is Nothing official about that kind of match absolutely nothing that is what I consider a "Restriction" Match. A Truly "Official" match is when the participants are using everything they know and is an all out battle with 0 restrictions to what one can use.

Please do not post in this thread just stating
"I agree" or something to that degree, shows us that your nothing more than a novice rookie just trying to up their post count. Elaborate what you think.

I am of the newer ones that never get real fights mostly due to everyone my gen spams S rank blasts and/or customs, unless I state its tai only or ban chidori current I expect to almost always get hit with chidori current at short range just because its so easy to.fire off, paralyzes you and then ur at their mercy

And I prefer all out battles compared to only canon ones unless its totally one sided in my favor, takes away the fun of thinking u could lose.

 

[Faust]

Who cares? It's not against the rules or anything, people can whine all they want and you can't do anything about it.

 

[Nagato..]

Alright I have seriously had enough of seeing these kind of matches and results...

I recently I have been looking threw matches after matches and have noticed something that annoys me to no end, and that is someone winning or losing by technicalities.

The fact that someone is incapable of judging for themselves if a move is valid or not can be troublesome but to the extent of someone constantly running to a RP mod to validate someone's actions that you are fighting against is just pure bull shit and cowardice.

Obtaining a win threw technicalities is nothing, there is no skill there is nothing gained from it other than showing people that you are incapable of judging it for yourself and lack an imagination.

So what I suggest that should be done about this is.....in an tournament match or a bio test match or what have you. If you ask for validation of an opponents move from an outside source more than 3 times (and failed to prove them wrong all 3 times) should either lose or be incapable of asking for validation just so they can attempt to win threw technicalities.

It pisses me off to no end to see that the only ones here with a battle sense are us old timers while you newer rookies do nothing more than stay far away throwing nukes at one another and if your incapable of judging you run to a mod just to get them to make the final verdict of the match....which in the end result takes the fun out of the RP.

Now another thing that annoys me but is not quite as long or as much....

What you rookies call "Official" Matches. Where participants are restricted to only using the 5 basic elements, nin, tai, and genjutsu's.........There is Nothing official about that kind of match absolutely nothing that is what I consider a "Restriction" Match. A Truly "Official" match is when the participants are using everything they know and is an all out battle with 0 restrictions to what one can use.

Please do not post in this thread just stating
"I agree" or something to that degree, shows us that your nothing more than a novice rookie just trying to up their post count. Elaborate what you think.

I have to agree to disagree with some points youve made here "Old Timer." When it comes down to my experiences in the Rp: in your eyes I'm considered apart of the new generation, and I dont participate in most of the things you say we do, theres only a select few who do such types of cowardice as you say and we all know who the ring leader of that is , I completely agree with the asking multiple times to get a valid verdict across should count as a lose merely because those who would participate in the whining and complaining about technical things cause it upon themselves. This is exactly why I dont RP as much as Ive used to now, I cannot enjoy a simply fight without someone trying to get technical with a fight and look for validation of their "OWN" moves.

Now not to stray away from the point at hand, what your exposing is just another form of that bullsh** we sadly see from new generation RPrs. Most people that have joined rather past my time all have just climbed the ladder of learning techniques as if its a race to see who can learn the most and become "Over Powered" but about 90% dont even know how to Rp AND MAKE IT FUN! They run around trying to go into a fight throwing Forbidden & S Ranked Attacks back at each other and try so hard to go untouched. Most of them have forgotten the reason they even started to Rp here, and that was to have fun, not make things complicated and stressful for others.


Enough of my ranting U_U I say most people that look forward to doing that are merely weak and incapable of fighting and having fun, but merely fighting to put notches on their belts through wins. Most new generation fighters, Id say those who have joined in early 2011 look to fight older Rprs just to point out silly things and win.

Heres something I laughed at...Smh So one fight won through technicality is supposed to get you a shit load of respect?

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All in all I agree with you man. I know Ill have no problem with it because Im not that type of fighter. The only ones who will complain are those insecure of their Rp skills.

 

[Riku..]

Well... here's my two cents on everything. I'll split it into parts I guess.

Technicalities: As for losing on technicalities, I do agree that usually it's EXTREMELY cheap and ridiculous when someone claims a victory over a small technicality, but there's honestly not much that you can do about it besides hope that your opponent is the type of person to let you get a redo on minor mistakes like that. I mean, you can't argue with someone if you really were in fault on the technicality, because if we start making it so that people can only lose on certain criteria, then that will just completely defeat the purpose of the majority of our RP rules, no? =/ I mean, it's like how back when Kaguya Clan members couldn't use a Kaguya technique in the same move as ninjutsu. If someone broke that rule, I personally wouldn't call them out on it, or at the very least if I did I would definitely allow a redo on such a trivial mistake, but if I was to call you out on it and claim the victory, how can you argue? You broke a rule, and I can therefore claim that because your move broke a rule, your move is invalid. Which means that if I targeted you for a technique, you died. It's a cheap and cowardly way to win, I agree, but how can you justify making it an official rule and then allowing people to trample over it? That would give people so much room to abuse other rules, and I assure you that plenty of people on here would try to do so. I mean, you can't just make two sections saying that these group of rules are important, while the other group can be stepped over whenever. If it's a rule, but no one cares if it's stepped over, then it's not really much of a rule is it?

However, as for your portion about constantly asking for validation on an opponents move and failing to back up that claim multiple times, I would agree. If you're taking a bio test or in a tounament, and you constantly question an opponents move without any reasonable backup, then you obviously don't deserve that bio or to win the tournament, as it says a lot about your skill and knowledge as an RPer if you're unable to properly validate your arguments. But if someone's asking for clarification on a move, I don't think that they should be penalized for that at all, as I've seen more RPers that make extremely vague moves than RPers that make descriptive and completely understandable ones. Which means that we have to make sure that everyone understands the difference between arguing and asking for clarification (it's a simple matter, I know, but I've seen a lot of cases where people have had a person ask them for clarification and immediately took it as an argument).

Asking Mods for Opinions: Again, I see where you're coming from, and it is pretty ridiculous when, as soon as someone has an issue in a battle, their automatic response is: "Ok, I don't think that you can (insert problem here). I'm going to ask Zen for his opinion." And then what annoys me even more are those times when people think that a mod's opinion is final and cannot be disputed, and so it turns into something like "So and so is correct, thread closed." I do respect all of the mods and from what I've seen, all of them have amazing RP ability, but that doesn't mean that anything they say is simply correct because they're a mod. HOWEVER, if an argument is going on for more than, say, five posts or VMs (honestly, at that point, you're pretty much in an argument in which neither side is going to give in any time soon), then I don't think that there's anything wrong with getting an outside opinion, and obviously the best people to go to for that would be the RP mods who have been given the position due to their knowledge. Of course, it can still be argued, but then there are the times when even when someone is being told be numerous people that they are simply incorrect they still decide to keep arguing. At which point, I wouldn't blame a mod for closing the thread. I mean, even if the person believes that they are right, if numerous people are telling them otherwise, then 9 times out of 10, they're probably wrong. So, in a nutshell, calling a mod from the start and having them give a verdict without proper backup and close the thread is ridiculous in my opinion. But having a mod intervene on an ongoing argument and give their reason for their opinion, and perhaps every now and then simply making a final decision in the case of an argument that simply is not ending, is acceptable. In my opinion.

Official Fights: Honestly, I don't completely understand what people mean when they say official fights. I've been seeing it cropping up lately... but... I don't know. Originally I just thought that it meant that if your bio was killed it counts as one of the three lives or if it was stolen then you officially cannot use it, but... I honestly have no idea what the definition of an official fight is. I don't even know where it came from to be honest, I just started seeing people put it in their battle threads. So... I honestly can't help you out there. As far as I'm concerned, if I want a no customs battle or a battle just for fun, I just put it in the rules lol. Honestly, I find the whole concept of killing and stealing bios pretty pointless, but that's another story.

 

[Daemon]

Who cares? It's not against the rules or anything, people can whine all they want and you can't do anything about it.

That's what I've been saying. Zanji makes a whole thread about it and ranting and asking for peoples opinions but its not going to change ever. every as Zanji calls them "rookie" will soon realize what they are talking about.

The thing i don't understand is this. "rookies" are posting i completely agree with you. But you guys do it subconsciously. Not talking about Riku, Zanji, Bagato, or myself but how much do you wanna bet noobs are still going to come in saying "I completely agree" or "he is so right it pisses me off" when they do it themselves.

 

[Typhon]

I'll agree that there should be some sort of limit on the amount of times you can go running to a Mod for their opinion. It can end up being a big waste of time for them. Some sort of limit like the challenge limit in football could be useful.

But there will always be situations where a Mod's opinion may be needed, and sometimes it will be over a technicality. Best you can do is avoid fighting people who do it, and if you come up against one in a tournament just try to be extra careful.

 

[Mathias]

Alright I have seriously had enough of seeing these kind of matches and results...

I recently I have been looking threw matches after matches and have noticed something that annoys me to no end, and that is someone winning or losing by technicalities.

The fact that someone is incapable of judging for themselves if a move is valid or not can be troublesome but to the extent of someone constantly running to a RP mod to validate someone's actions that you are fighting against is just pure bull shit and cowardice.

Obtaining a win threw technicalities is nothing, there is no skill there is nothing gained from it other than showing people that you are incapable of judging it for yourself and lack an imagination.

So what I suggest that should be done about this is.....in an tournament match or a bio test match or what have you. If you ask for validation of an opponents move from an outside source more than 3 times (and failed to prove them wrong all 3 times) should either lose or be incapable of asking for validation just so they can attempt to win threw technicalities.

It pisses me off to no end to see that the only ones here with a battle sense are us old timers while you newer rookies do nothing more than stay far away throwing nukes at one another and if your incapable of judging you run to a mod just to get them to make the final verdict of the match....which in the end result takes the fun out of the RP.

Now another thing that annoys me but is not quite as long or as much....

What you rookies call "Official" Matches. Where participants are restricted to only using the 5 basic elements, nin, tai, and genjutsu's.........There is Nothing official about that kind of match absolutely nothing that is what I consider a "Restriction" Match. A Truly "Official" match is when the participants are using everything they know and is an all out battle with 0 restrictions to what one can use.

Please do not post in this thread just stating
"I agree" or something to that degree, shows us that your nothing more than a novice rookie just trying to up their post count. Elaborate what you think.

I completely agree with you on the technicalities, its getting sad and quite annoying seeing "Can you please check this fight for me?" in every Sensei and Mods profile VM wall.

Concerning the rookies throwing out nukes, there is no denying that we all do it including me at times. But what we can we do? I myself try and start my fights nice and slow but then I get a reply at the start of the fight with three jutsu all S-ranked, I'm forced to nuke back which is sad and boring.

Anyways I have nothing else to say. Just some ranting by a rookie.

I have to agree to disagree with some points youve made here "Old Timer." When it comes down to my experiences in the Rp: in your eyes I'm considered apart of the new generation, and I dont participate in most of the things you say we do, theres only a select few who do such types of cowardice as you say and we all know who the ring leader of that is , I completely agree with the asking multiple times to get a valid verdict across should count as a lose merely because those who would participate in the whining and complaining about technical things cause it upon themselves. This is exactly why I dont RP as much as Ive used to now, I cannot enjoy a simply fight without someone trying to get technical with a fight and look for validation of their "OWN" moves.

Now not to stray away from the point at hand, what your exposing is just another form of that bullsh** we sadly see from new generation RPrs. Most people that have joined rather past my time all have just climbed the ladder of learning techniques as if its a race to see who can learn the most and become "Over Powered" but about 90% dont even know how to Rp AND MAKE IT FUN! They run around trying to go into a fight throwing Forbidden & S Ranked Attacks back at each other and try so hard to go untouched. Most of them have forgotten the reason they even started to Rp here, and that was to have fun, not make things complicated and stressful for others.


Enough of my ranting U_U I say most people that look forward to doing that are merely weak and incapable of fighting and having fun, but merely fighting to put notches on their belts through wins. Most new generation fighters, Id say those who have joined in early 2011 look to fight older Rprs just to point out silly things and win.

Heres something I laughed at...Smh So one fight won through technicality is supposed to get you a shit load of respect?

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All in all I agree with you man. I know Ill have no problem with it because Im not that type of fighter. The only ones who will complain are those insecure of their Rp skills.

You forgot this my friend..

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Smh U_U

 

[Tenzo.]

Well... here's my two cents on everything. I'll split it into parts I guess.

Technicalities: As for losing on technicalities, I do agree that usually it's EXTREMELY cheap and ridiculous when someone claims a victory over a small technicality, but there's honestly not much that you can do about it besides hope that your opponent is the type of person to let you get a redo on minor mistakes like that. I mean, you can't argue with someone if you really were in fault on the technicality, because if we start making it so that people can only lose on certain criteria, then that will just completely defeat the purpose of the majority of our RP rules, no? =/ I mean, it's like how back when Kaguya Clan members couldn't use a Kaguya technique in the same move as ninjutsu. If someone broke that rule, I personally wouldn't call them out on it, or at the very least if I did I would definitely allow a redo on such a trivial mistake, but if I was to call you out on it and claim the victory, how can you argue? You broke a rule, and I can therefore claim that because your move broke a rule, your move is invalid. Which means that if I targeted you for a technique, you died. It's a cheap and cowardly way to win, I agree, but how can you justify making it an official rule and then allowing people to trample over it? That would give people so much room to abuse other rules, and I assure you that plenty of people on here would try to do so. I mean, you can't just make two sections saying that these group of rules are important, while the other group can be stepped over whenever. If it's a rule, but no one cares if it's stepped over, then it's not really much of a rule is it?

However, as for your portion about constantly asking for validation on an opponents move and failing to back up that claim multiple times, I would agree. If you're taking a bio test or in a tounament, and you constantly question an opponents move without any reasonable backup, then you obviously don't deserve that bio or to win the tournament, as it says a lot about your skill and knowledge as an RPer if you're unable to properly validate your arguments. But if someone's asking for clarification on a move, I don't think that they should be penalized for that at all, as I've seen more RPers that make extremely vague moves than RPers that make descriptive and completely understandable ones. Which means that we have to make sure that everyone understands the difference between arguing and asking for clarification (it's a simple matter, I know, but I've seen a lot of cases where people have had a person ask them for clarification and immediately took it as an argument).

Asking Mods for Opinions: Again, I see where you're coming from, and it is pretty ridiculous when, as soon as someone has an issue in a battle, their automatic response is: "Ok, I don't think that you can (insert problem here). I'm going to ask Zen for his opinion." And then what annoys me even more are those times when people think that a mod's opinion is final and cannot be disputed, and so it turns into something like "So and so is correct, thread closed." I do respect all of the mods and from what I've seen, all of them have amazing RP ability, but that doesn't mean that anything they say is simply correct because they're a mod. HOWEVER, if an argument is going on for more than, say, five posts or VMs (honestly, at that point, you're pretty much in an argument in which neither side is going to give in any time soon), then I don't think that there's anything wrong with getting an outside opinion, and obviously the best people to go to for that would be the RP mods who have been given the position due to their knowledge. Of course, it can still be argued, but then there are the times when even when someone is being told be numerous people that they are simply incorrect they still decide to keep arguing. At which point, I wouldn't blame a mod for closing the thread. I mean, even if the person believes that they are right, if numerous people are telling them otherwise, then 9 times out of 10, they're probably wrong. So, in a nutshell, calling a mod from the start and having them give a verdict without proper backup and close the thread is ridiculous in my opinion. But having a mod intervene on an ongoing argument and give their reason for their opinion, and perhaps every now and then simply making a final decision in the case of an argument that simply is not ending, is acceptable. In my opinion.

Official Fights: Honestly, I don't completely understand what people mean when they say official fights. I've been seeing it cropping up lately... but... I don't know. Originally I just thought that it meant that if your bio was killed it counts as one of the three lives or if it was stolen then you officially cannot use it, but... I honestly have no idea what the definition of an official fight is. I don't even know where it came from to be honest, I just started seeing people put it in their battle threads. So... I honestly can't help you out there. As far as I'm concerned, if I want a no customs battle or a battle just for fun, I just put it in the rules lol. Honestly, I find the whole concept of killing and stealing bios pretty pointless, but that's another story.

 

[-Haku Yuki-]

Well... here's my two cents on everything. I'll split it into parts I guess.

Technicalities: As for losing on technicalities, I do agree that usually it's EXTREMELY cheap and ridiculous when someone claims a victory over a small technicality, but there's honestly not much that you can do about it besides hope that your opponent is the type of person to let you get a redo on minor mistakes like that. I mean, you can't argue with someone if you really were in fault on the technicality, because if we start making it so that people can only lose on certain criteria, then that will just completely defeat the purpose of the majority of our RP rules, no? =/ I mean, it's like how back when Kaguya Clan members couldn't use a Kaguya technique in the same move as ninjutsu. If someone broke that rule, I personally wouldn't call them out on it, or at the very least if I did I would definitely allow a redo on such a trivial mistake, but if I was to call you out on it and claim the victory, how can you argue? You broke a rule, and I can therefore claim that because your move broke a rule, your move is invalid. Which means that if I targeted you for a technique, you died. It's a cheap and cowardly way to win, I agree, but how can you justify making it an official rule and then allowing people to trample over it? That would give people so much room to abuse other rules, and I assure you that plenty of people on here would try to do so. I mean, you can't just make two sections saying that these group of rules are important, while the other group can be stepped over whenever. If it's a rule, but no one cares if it's stepped over, then it's not really much of a rule is it?

However, as for your portion about constantly asking for validation on an opponents move and failing to back up that claim multiple times, I would agree. If you're taking a bio test or in a tounament, and you constantly question an opponents move without any reasonable backup, then you obviously don't deserve that bio or to win the tournament, as it says a lot about your skill and knowledge as an RPer if you're unable to properly validate your arguments. But if someone's asking for clarification on a move, I don't think that they should be penalized for that at all, as I've seen more RPers that make extremely vague moves than RPers that make descriptive and completely understandable ones. Which means that we have to make sure that everyone understands the difference between arguing and asking for clarification (it's a simple matter, I know, but I've seen a lot of cases where people have had a person ask them for clarification and immediately took it as an argument).

Asking Mods for Opinions: Again, I see where you're coming from, and it is pretty ridiculous when, as soon as someone has an issue in a battle, their automatic response is: "Ok, I don't think that you can (insert problem here). I'm going to ask Zen for his opinion." And then what annoys me even more are those times when people think that a mod's opinion is final and cannot be disputed, and so it turns into something like "So and so is correct, thread closed." I do respect all of the mods and from what I've seen, all of them have amazing RP ability, but that doesn't mean that anything they say is simply correct because they're a mod. HOWEVER, if an argument is going on for more than, say, five posts or VMs (honestly, at that point, you're pretty much in an argument in which neither side is going to give in any time soon), then I don't think that there's anything wrong with getting an outside opinion, and obviously the best people to go to for that would be the RP mods who have been given the position due to their knowledge. Of course, it can still be argued, but then there are the times when even when someone is being told be numerous people that they are simply incorrect they still decide to keep arguing. At which point, I wouldn't blame a mod for closing the thread. I mean, even if the person believes that they are right, if numerous people are telling them otherwise, then 9 times out of 10, they're probably wrong. So, in a nutshell, calling a mod from the start and having them give a verdict without proper backup and close the thread is ridiculous in my opinion. But having a mod intervene on an ongoing argument and give their reason for their opinion, and perhaps every now and then simply making a final decision in the case of an argument that simply is not ending, is acceptable. In my opinion.

Official Fights: Honestly, I don't completely understand what people mean when they say official fights. I've been seeing it cropping up lately... but... I don't know. Originally I just thought that it meant that if your bio was killed it counts as one of the three lives or if it was stolen then you officially cannot use it, but... I honestly have no idea what the definition of an official fight is. I don't even know where it came from to be honest, I just started seeing people put it in their battle threads. So... I honestly can't help you out there. As far as I'm concerned, if I want a no customs battle or a battle just for fun, I just put it in the rules lol. Honestly, I find the whole concept of killing and stealing bios pretty pointless, but that's another story.

@offcial macths

yeah konoha used that in the begining of threads for an event that was t i belive.

ot: i used to go by techicallties because i thought that the battle ends when some one mess's up but not any more i normally continue the macth and keep going till the person against me use's something that i have absoluty no idea of in that case i ask that person for a time frame and questions about the move's they did before responding if i still don't get it i go to a mod then and only then. or if some one say's my move is invaild those are the only times

 

[Black Butler]

That's what I've been saying. Zanji makes a whole thread about it and ranting and asking for peoples opinions but its not going to change ever. every as Zanji calls them "rookie" will soon realize what they are talking about.

The thing i don't understand is this. "rookies" are posting i completely agree with you. But you guys do it subconsciously. Not talking about Riku, Zanji, Bagato, or myself but how much do you wanna bet noobs are still going to come in saying "I completely agree" or "he is so right it pisses me off" when they do it themselves.

He's so right, it pisses me off. :|

On the real note, I agree with Zanji, mostly. I don't think people should win on technicalities, I think that if you don't make the proper defense, then you should take damage. I mean, why is the damage sub-line in a jutsu for anyway? The way RP is today, if you get hit by a jutsu, it's a auto kill. WTF? If thats how everyone is going to RP, then we have to take the damage sub-line out of the jutsu. And also we have to take out the Health Points also. On the mod decision thing, I think that 2 mods and 2 senseis, should be able to put all their opinions in a thread. Who ever provides the most evidence and relativity to their side of the argument, should have the fight swayed to their decision. But that brings me back to the Damage Sub-line, if a justu has a damge line, then it shouldn't kill you, or end a match so easily.

 

[Inch]

I disagree. Now before I go into explaining why I disagree, I'll say this. Losing/winning by a technicality does not display skill nor indicate whether one is better than another. It just means that someone made a mistake which caused them to lose the match. Nothing more. ._.

With that said, it is perfectly within someone's right to challenge the authenticity of a move. Tell me, should one just allow others to post a move that is just completely out of the time frame without challenging it? I agree that allowing edits should be done more often, but this doesn't mean that they should be allowed every time, nor should mistakes be allowed to slide every time. If they were, canon matches would just last too long. Perhaps indefinitely.

As for the bit about official matches, I think it's just meant to clarify that the deaths, and other things that happen to your bio, count. And since I know which fights this is directed at, there is a reason why it's there. Trust me. ._.

 

[Pain..]

Now another thing that annoys me but is not quite as long or as much....

What you rookies call "Official" Matches. Where participants are restricted to only using the 5 basic elements, nin, tai, and genjutsu's.........There is Nothing official about that kind of match absolutely nothing that is what I consider a "Restriction" Match. A Truly "Official" match is when the participants are using everything they know and is an all out battle with 0 restrictions to what one can use.

This is so true, their nothing official about a match that you only use 5 elements, tai, nin and genjutsu's that's nothing official. Like Zanji said an official match is all out, everything you know is allow, that's an official match.

 

[Izuna Uchiha]

Spoiler

Well... here's my two cents on everything. I'll split it into parts I guess.

Technicalities: As for losing on technicalities, I do agree that usually it's EXTREMELY cheap and ridiculous when someone claims a victory over a small technicality, but there's honestly not much that you can do about it besides hope that your opponent is the type of person to let you get a redo on minor mistakes like that. I mean, you can't argue with someone if you really were in fault on the technicality, because if we start making it so that people can only lose on certain criteria, then that will just completely defeat the purpose of the majority of our RP rules, no? =/ I mean, it's like how back when Kaguya Clan members couldn't use a Kaguya technique in the same move as ninjutsu. If someone broke that rule, I personally wouldn't call them out on it, or at the very least if I did I would definitely allow a redo on such a trivial mistake, but if I was to call you out on it and claim the victory, how can you argue? You broke a rule, and I can therefore claim that because your move broke a rule, your move is invalid. Which means that if I targeted you for a technique, you died. It's a cheap and cowardly way to win, I agree, but how can you justify making it an official rule and then allowing people to trample over it? That would give people so much room to abuse other rules, and I assure you that plenty of people on here would try to do so. I mean, you can't just make two sections saying that these group of rules are important, while the other group can be stepped over whenever. If it's a rule, but no one cares if it's stepped over, then it's not really much of a rule is it?

However, as for your portion about constantly asking for validation on an opponents move and failing to back up that claim multiple times, I would agree. If you're taking a bio test or in a tounament, and you constantly question an opponents move without any reasonable backup, then you obviously don't deserve that bio or to win the tournament, as it says a lot about your skill and knowledge as an RPer if you're unable to properly validate your arguments. But if someone's asking for clarification on a move, I don't think that they should be penalized for that at all, as I've seen more RPers that make extremely vague moves than RPers that make descriptive and completely understandable ones. Which means that we have to make sure that everyone understands the difference between arguing and asking for clarification (it's a simple matter, I know, but I've seen a lot of cases where people have had a person ask them for clarification and immediately took it as an argument).

Asking Mods for Opinions: Again, I see where you're coming from, and it is pretty ridiculous when, as soon as someone has an issue in a battle, their automatic response is: "Ok, I don't think that you can (insert problem here). I'm going to ask Zen for his opinion." And then what annoys me even more are those times when people think that a mod's opinion is final and cannot be disputed, and so it turns into something like "So and so is correct, thread closed." I do respect all of the mods and from what I've seen, all of them have amazing RP ability, but that doesn't mean that anything they say is simply correct because they're a mod. HOWEVER, if an argument is going on for more than, say, five posts or VMs (honestly, at that point, you're pretty much in an argument in which neither side is going to give in any time soon), then I don't think that there's anything wrong with getting an outside opinion, and obviously the best people to go to for that would be the RP mods who have been given the position due to their knowledge. Of course, it can still be argued, but then there are the times when even when someone is being told be numerous people that they are simply incorrect they still decide to keep arguing. At which point, I wouldn't blame a mod for closing the thread. I mean, even if the person believes that they are right, if numerous people are telling them otherwise, then 9 times out of 10, they're probably wrong. So, in a nutshell, calling a mod from the start and having them give a verdict without proper backup and close the thread is ridiculous in my opinion. But having a mod intervene on an ongoing argument and give their reason for their opinion, and perhaps every now and then simply making a final decision in the case of an argument that simply is not ending, is acceptable. In my opinion.

Official Fights: Honestly, I don't completely understand what people mean when they say official fights. I've been seeing it cropping up lately... but... I don't know. Originally I just thought that it meant that if your bio was killed it counts as one of the three lives or if it was stolen then you officially cannot use it, but... I honestly have no idea what the definition of an official fight is. I don't even know where it came from to be honest, I just started seeing people put it in their battle threads. So... I honestly can't help you out there. As far as I'm concerned, if I want a no customs battle or a battle just for fun, I just put it in the rules lol. Honestly, I find the whole concept of killing and stealing bios pretty pointless, but that's another story.

In love with this post. Nailed it my friend.

 

[Nagato..]

He's so right, it pisses me off. :|

On the real note, I agree with Zanji, mostly. I don't think people should win on technicalities, I think that if you don't make the proper defense, then you should take damage. I mean, why is the damage sub-line in a jutsu for anyway? The way RP is today, if you get hit by a jutsu, it's a auto kill. WTF? If thats how everyone is going to RP, then we have to take the damage sub-line out of the jutsu. And also we have to take out the Health Points also. On the mod decision thing, I think that 2 mods and 2 senseis, should be able to put all their opinions in a thread. Who ever provides the most eveidence and relativity to their side of the argument, should have the fight swayed to their decision. But that brings me back to the Damage Sub-line, if a justu has a damge line, then it shouldn't kill you, or end a match so easily.

Yea, I see the chakra points and health being a bit non existent in battles. Most dont even realize that the minute they create more then 3 clones their chakra is already at 1/4 or 1/5 and they still continue to battle as if they have alot of chakra left.

But Im the type of person to let that slide I say the problem is "Training" in general. Loki. sent me a vm saying most people are trained on how to use the techniques but kinda jump into battle doing whatever they want, and thats true.

By Dragonfly x

why don't you "old timers" make a thread, get together, and invite a group in and make it sort of a class of general battle tactics. So either do something like that, or stop complaining, because don't complain about the status quo if you do nothing to change it...

Overlooked this post. But you cant teach someone on how not to be a coward. No amount of battle tactics in the world can stop someone from complaining. Which leaves us back to square one. V_V