Tactics of Murder -- Is killing Samehada possible?

[Greedie]

This doesn't make sense. It has to touch the flames to absorb those as well. If it can neutralize the flames' effects on its physical form while absorbing it, why can't it do the same to Jinton?

It most likely eats the flame so fast that it doesn't have time to burn or cause any real physical harm to it, Like moving your hand through a naked flame very quickly.

While Jinton atomizes everything it touches near instantly.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

It's really not difficult to see who threw the first jab; however, bias was expected. This is my last reply to you.

Thank christ, take that desperate internet persona of yours and head back to the roleplay section where it belongs whilst you're at it.

On topic, I don't believe Samehada is even an actual animal. Has it been shown to breathe through the series? It's skin is too tough to be poisoned or stabbed by other blades. It is still something that can be damaged via jutsu and the personality/loyalty is a big factor in battles, becoming a third entity of it's own than a ninja tool. If showing it's belly to somebody it liked, it could easily be defeated.

 

[NarutoX28]

That's the beauty in perspective, it can hold many different views. This is also my last reply to your mindless ignorance.

The seeds of argumentum ad populum does not do him any justice.

 

[Pretentious]

The seeds of argumentum ad populum does not do him any justice.

Mindless followers tend to appeal to that theory. Simply ignoring them is the best case scenario.

 

[Pretentious]

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Viz translation ladies, and gentlemen.

"Okay, that was hot." - "Didn't mean to burn when will I learn?" - This implies two things:

A. Samehada was burned, and the "SKREEE!" whine from Samehada shows pain.
B. Killer B has come into confrontation with previous fire techniques, and attempted to use Samehada with the same results (i.e. Samehada being in pain).

Samehada is weak to fire. End game.

 

[Inmate]

So, are we saying that Samehada possesses more tank power than any Ninja in Narutoverse since the experiments have been but unsuccessful? Samehada, by far, from "outlier" opinions tanks every technique presented at the start of the thread, implying it's a reliable and enormously durable symbiotic tool that far surpasses 80% of shinobi in the Shinobi world as any ninja below Bee or A can't possibly have a counter or tank the enlisted jutsu and there aren't many shinobi at the level of aforesaid ninja

 

[Pretentious]

So, are we saying that Samehada possesses more tank power than any Ninja in Narutoverse since the experiments have been but unsuccessful? Samehada, by far, from "outlier" opinions tanks every technique presented at the start of the thread, implying it's a reliable and enormously durable symbiotic tool that far surpasses 80% of shinobi in the Shinobi world as any ninja below Bee or A can't possibly have a counter or tank the enlisted jutsu and there aren't many shinobi at the level of aforesaid ninja

Everything listed in the OP would kill Samehada excluding Genjutsu (weaponry would work on the premise we're talking about Orochimaru's Kusanagi, as the magically imbued artifact was said to cut anything) If Kusanagi could make Enma in his Adamantine form (the hardest substance bar Susano'o, and 3rd Raikage's body) than Samehada is getting mauled -- Jinton as Greedie stated on contact atomizes the living entity, before Samehada can react to absorb. However, I disagree on his Amaterasu claim, as the Viz scan above has rectified that Samehada is in fact weak to fire chakra.

 

[Punk Hazard]

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Viz translation ladies, and gentlemen.

"Okay, that was hot." - "Didn't mean to burn when will I learn?" - This implies two things:

A. Samehada was burned, and the "SKREEE!" whine from Samehada shows pain.
B. Killer B has come into confrontation with previous fire techniques, and attempted to use Samehada with the same results (i.e. Samehada being in pain).

Samehada is weak to fire. End game.

The skree is how Samehada communicates in general. When eating Killer Bee's chakra, which makes it happy, it made the same "Skreee" sound. That shows that the "Skreee" isn't a whine of pain.

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The "burn" is just Killer Bee looking for a rhyme. It's not the first time he's done that. Samehada clearly shows zero signs of being burned.

There is nothing that indicates Samehada was in pain, since the skree has been shown to come from the sword when it's happy and enjoying the chakra it tastes as well.

 

[Pretentious]

The skree is how Samehada communicates in general. When eating Killer Bee's chakra, which makes it happy, it made the same "Skreee" sound. That shows that the "Skreee" isn't a whine of pain.

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The "burn" is just Killer Bee looking for a rhyme. It's not the first time he's done that. Samehada clearly shows zero signs of being burned.

There is nothing that indicates Samehada was in pain, since the skree has been shown to come from the sword when it's happy and enjoying the chakra it tastes as well.

I concede on the Skree portion, general communication makes sense. However, pure baseless speculation regarding the Killer B notion "he was looking for a rhyme." if that were the case, Kishimoto could've simply rewrote the dialogue to fit a response to Samehada better. The way the writer sequenced Killer B's response signified that Samehada for a fact had taken damage via burning.

 

[Pretentious]

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Samehada can be seen crisped in the top panel, which can also be seen two panels later;

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However, it's been shown Samehada can heal its host through chakra transference, it only makes sense that chakra siphoning of the host/opposition would heal Samehada as well; after all Samehada, and it's wielder are in a symbiotic relationship.

Further strengthened by the fact why did Killer B intentially block several flame-imbued shuriken? When Samehada from your perspective could've just absorbed the Katon chakra, and would've blocked the shuriken with ease?

Because Samehada would've been injured by the Katon chakra, that's the only plausible presumption.

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[Punk Hazard]

I concede on the Skree portion, general communication makes sense. However, pure baseless speculation regarding the Killer B notion "he was looking for a rhyme." if that were the case, Kishimoto could've simply rewrote the dialogue to fit a response to Samehada better. The way the writer sequenced Killer B's response signified that Samehada for a fact had taken damage via burning.

I guess Killer Bee's powers are also literally a flash

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I suppose he's also literally floating and flying.

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I also suppose Killer Bee was literally born as a longhorn bull?

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Since everything he raps is literal, right?

 

[Inmate]

It's conspicuous that Samehada possesses Shark qualities. Don't sea creatures naturally have little to no resistance to fire since their functioning leans on water whereas that's an element that doesn't match up well with fire?

 

[Punk Hazard]

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Samehada can be seen crisped in the top panel, which can also be seen two panels later;

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Samehada wasn't crisped whatsoever. The shading on Samehada in the top page is the result of the shadows from the fire. The same shading can be seen on Naruto and Killer Bee.

The shading on Samehada when Bee slams it into the ground in the "two panels later" is shading that indicates movement. The same line-shading can be seen Killer Bee and Itachi as he jumps out of the way. It can also be seen on Naruto as he moves into frame.

However, it's been shown Samehada can heal its host through chakra transference, it only makes sense that chakra siphoning of the host/opposition would heal Samehada as well; after all Samehada, and it's wielder are in a symbiotic relationship.

Except the burns aren't burns and can be seen on everyone else in the same panel. So unless they were all burned without even touching the fire, then you're grasping at straws.

Further strengthened by the fact why did Killer B intentially block several flame-imbued shuriken? When Samehada from your perspective could've just absorbed the Katon chakra, and would've blocked the shuriken with ease?

Because Samehada would've been injured by the Katon chakra, that's the only plausible presumption.

Because Samehada does't like the Katon chakra. It wouldn't have been injured, it simply doesn't want to absorb fire-based chakra.

 

[Pretentious]

I guess Killer Bee's powers are also literally a flash

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I suppose he's also literally floating and flying.

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I also suppose Killer Bee was literally born as a longhorn bull?

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Since everything he raps is literal, right?

Pitiful attempt at derailment. I'll keep this as simple as it needs to be;

A. Flash = Fast. Killer B is obviously fast.
B. Float & Fly = Light & elegant movement... I'm surprised I have to educate you on this. Muhammad Ali reference? Hello?
C. Born a longhorn bull = Being a Jinchūriki to a bull/octupus hybrid obviously.

Quit grasping at straws, every term he rapped had significant meaning to the current situation. Straw man arguments.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Pitiful attempt at derailment. I'll keep this as simple as it needs to be;

A. Flash = Fast. Killer B is obviously fast.
B. Float & Fly = Light & elegant movement... I'm surprised I have to educate you on this. Muhammad Ali reference? Hello?
C. Born a longhorn bull = Being a Jinchūriki to a bull/octupus hybrid obviously.

Quit grasping at straws, every term he rapped had significant meaning to the current situation. Straw man arguments.

That's the point. When Killer Bee raps, he speaks in metaphor. The same way he didn't literally mean a flash, didn't literally mean he was gonna float and fly, and didn't literally mean he was born as a longhorn bull, he didn't literally mean Samehada was burned.

All that advanced intellect and you can't even see sarcasm.

 

[Pretentious]

Samehada wasn't crisped whatsoever. The shading on Samehada in the top page is the result of the shadows from the fire. The same shading can be seen on Naruto and Killer Bee.

The shading on Samehada when Bee slams it into the ground in the "two panels later" is shading that indicates movement. The same line-shading can be seen Killer Bee and Itachi as he jumps out of the way. It can also be seen on Naruto as he moves into frame.



Except the burns aren't burns and can be seen on everyone else in the same panel. So unless they were all burned without even touching the fire, then you're grasping at straws.


Because Samehada does't like the Katon chakra. It wouldn't have been injured, it simply doesn't want to absorb fire-based chakra.

Samehada doesn't need to "like" Katon chakra to be forced to absorb it, clearly shown in the prior panel I linked. It's because fire is in fact it's weakness. This is getting tedious, I'm done arguing here. We'll agree to disagree, and that's final.

That's the point. When Killer Bee raps, he speaks in metaphor. The same way he didn't literally mean a flash, didn't literally mean he was gonna float and fly, and didn't literally mean he was born as a longhorn bull, he didn't literally mean Samehada was burned.

All that advanced intellect and you can't even see sarcasm.

There's no metaphor for burn in that panel. Nothing he said was sarcasm, merely similes. Like I stated several moments ago, I'm done arguing with you, as it'll keep going back, and forth with no progress.

 

[Ansatsuken]

All Killing Ash Bone GG

 

[Punk Hazard]

Samehada doesn't need to "like" Katon chakra to be forced to absorb it, clearly shown in the prior panel I linked. It's because fire is in fact it's weakness. This is getting tedious, I'm done arguing here. We'll agree to disagree, and that's final.

Except that's the difference between Kirabi and Kisame. Kisame treated Samehada as a weapon while Kirabi was actually kind to it. He didn't force it to absorb the Katon because Kirabi viewed Kurama akin to a pet and took its feelings into consideration.

You can't even point out anything showing its absorption didn't work as well as with non-fire chakra. Instead you point out shading on Samehada that's also on Naruto, Kirabi, and Itachi, as weak proof. You never even began to argue here.

 

[Оdin]

Given enough power in the attack... anything will destroy it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Given enough power in the attack... anything will destroy it.

The pedo here is right. Bee's Version 2 Lariat was too much chakra for it to absorb, so it got a hole blown clean through it. Large enough attack could obliterate the sword or kill it.