Sword Training with Keotsu :)

[Faith]

*wait Keotsu under a tree with my wooden sword o.o *

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(This is not my custom weapon btw haha..just some random picture i would like to add in xD )

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

That, is a bokken (sort of). xd

Anyway, if you would, tell me all you know about sword-fighting before we begin.

 

[Faith]

i found that near those tree anyway xD

What i know about sword-fighting :
basically sword-fighting of course by the name we know that we use sword to fight..rather then hand to hand combat.. sword can be a deadly weapon if use correctly.. when using sword u won't have to be very close to opponent i mean like not as close as hand to hand combat and also if you are skilled in sword you can finish the enemy off easily and quickly lastly.. sword can act as defend and also attack

hope i right haha xD

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

i found that near those tree anyway xD

What i know about sword-fighting :
basically sword-fighting of course by the name we know that we use sword to fight..rather then hand to hand combat.. sword can be a deadly weapon if use correctly.. when using sword u won't have to be very close to opponent i mean like not as close as hand to hand combat and also if you are skilled in sword you can finish the enemy off easily and quickly lastly.. sword can act as defend and also attack

hope i right haha xD

Eh, close on a few points. But, it's also to say "You're wrong", because has different reasons and ways that they would use a sword.

You are right that swordfighting allows for the faster undoing of an opponent, but you must beware talented Taijutsu users - a lot of swordfighting has bases in martial arts, and there are often Martial arts completely geared to fighting unarmed against an armed opponent.

And, yes, you can use the sword as a defense as well.

Now, before we begin (which may be another day or two, sorry. I'm still "gone"), can you tell me if you learned anything from the thread with Gin I had you read?

 

[Faith]

Eh, close on a few points. But, it's also to say "You're wrong", because has different reasons and ways that they would use a sword.

You are right that swordfighting allows for the faster undoing of an opponent, but you must beware talented Taijutsu users - a lot of swordfighting has bases in martial arts, and there are often Martial arts completely geared to fighting unarmed against an armed opponent.

And, yes, you can use the sword as a defense as well.

Now, before we begin (which may be another day or two, sorry. I'm still "gone"), can you tell me if you learned anything from the thread with Gin I had you read?

Alright sure

I learned few points:

1] Using few kind of slashs
2] dodging
3] gymnastics movement

which i will get to learn from you
Little request from spoiler xD

Spoiler

Keotsu, i hope you will use picture and etc..sorry for asking this because i may not understand very well..as i also won't able to express my move very well too so..i hope you will make use of some picture/video to show me so i could understand better and also make the training more..fun haha thanks

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

Alright, let us begin as if you know nothing.

I will teach you the two most basic movements of Kenjutsu first: the horizontal slash and the vertical slash.

The horizontal slash is as it sounds - a slash by your sword done on the x-axis if you will. This requires you to hold the blade so that the edge of your blade is facing to the side, not up or down.

Cross your arm across your body by bending your shoulder so that the upper part of your arm goes across your chest and your forearm is slightly behind you. Then, simply unfold your arm and slash.

Remember to have the edge facing in the direction of your cut. But, this shouldn't matter, as so long as you are holding the sword correctly, the slash should work.

I can't find a video for this move, but it is rather simple, and if you still need further explanation, its very similar to swinging a baseball bat.

A vertical slash works in much the same way in that it is one of the most basic strikes. You simply raise your arm above your head, holding your sword so that the edge is skyward, and then bring it down in a slash.

 

[Faith]

Got it

*I simply raise my hand with sword above my head*
*holding my sword and the edge is skyward*
*then bring down in a slash*
*slashing the tree*

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

Got it

*I simply raise my hand with sword above my head*
*holding my sword and the edge is skyward*
*then bring down in a slash*
*slashing the tree*

*Your bokken bounces off the tree.*

Practicing in the air will be sufficient.

Now, also do the horizontal slash.

 

[Faith]

Yes Keotsu-kun

*I simply raise my hand with sword above my head again*
*while holding my sword and the edge is skyward*
*then bring down in a slash again*
*slashing the air*
* doing 100 time non-stop*

*I hold on blade and my sword edge is facing to the side not up nor down*
*then i bring down my sword*
*slashing the air in a x-axis*
*doing 100time non-stop too *

i wonder if done it correctly.
i don't really get it by '' x-axis '' if you don't mind
explaining to me hehe..

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

Yes Keotsu-kun

*I simply raise my hand with sword above my head again*
*while holding my sword and the edge is skyward*
*then bring down in a slash again*
*slashing the air*
* doing 100 time non-stop*

*I hold on blade and my sword edge is facing to the side not up nor down*
*then i bring down my sword*
*slashing the air in a x-axis*
*doing 100time non-stop too *

i wonder if done it correctly.
i don't really get it by '' x-axis '' if you don't mind
explaining to me hehe..

No, like I said, the horizontal slash is a side to side motion, like swinging a baseball bat. A horizontal slash is an up/down motion.

And about the X axis thing: don't worry about it. It was a Math term used for coordinate grids and I was hoping to use that to clarify things some.



This is a vertical slash, though a two handed one. Right now, we're doing a one handed vertical slash, meaning that the full step they take in the video is not necessarily needed, though in a real battle you may make that movement.



From about 48 seconds to just a bit afterward is a good example of a horizontal cut.

 

[Faith]

Okay.thanks alot for the video
i get a better idea of it already.

so may i know which step did i do wrongly ?

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

Okay.thanks alot for the video
i get a better idea of it already.

so may i know which step did i do wrongly ?

You did the vertical slash correctly - but how you attempted the horizontal slash...All you did was a vertical slash with the flat of the blade, making the attack useless.

A horizontal slash is side-to-side, as shown in the second video.

So, please attempt the horizontal slash again.

 

[Faith]

Alright, let us begin as if you know nothing.

I will teach you the two most basic movements of Kenjutsu first: the horizontal slash and the vertical slash.

The horizontal slash is as it sounds - a slash by your sword done on the x-axis if you will. This requires you to hold the blade so that the edge of your blade is facing to the side, not up or down.

Cross your arm across your body by bending your shoulder so that the upper part of your arm goes across your chest and your forearm is slightly behind you. Then, simply unfold your arm and slash.

Remember to have the edge facing in the direction of your cut. But, this shouldn't matter, as so long as you are holding the sword correctly, the slash should work.

*Firstly I cross my arm across my body by bending my shoulder*
*so that the upper part of my arm will come across with my chest*
*and also my forearm is slightly behind *
*then i simply unfold my arm & slash*
*doing it 200time as punishment of failing to do correctly*

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

*Firstly I cross my arm across my body by bending my shoulder*
*so that the upper part of my arm will come across with my chest*
*and also my forearm is slightly behind *
*then i simply unfold my arm & slash*
*doing it 200time as punishment of failing to do correctly*

Yeah...I made a slight typo - you bend your elbow, not your shoulder.

But, your slash still works, especially since you've seen the how to video.

Next, we're moving on to the two handed variations of these moves.

The vertical slash is the same as it is in the previous video, as this one actually uses two hands like the video does.

*Showing you the two-handed vertical slash, I place both hands on my bokken, with my right hand underneath the weapon's tsuba (hand guard) and my left hand beneath my right hand.

I then raise the blade above my head so the tip of the weapon is pointing skyward, take a step forward and bring the blade down in a powerful slash.*

As for a two handed horizontal strike...

*I place both of my hands on the bokken's hilt as I did for the previous slash, but I then preform the horizontal slash in the same manner as before, except with two hands.*

Now, the two-handed slashes are extremely similar to their one-handed counterparts, but they are much stronger in the force they deliver. A one-handed strike usually offers more precision while a two-handed strike offers more power.

Also note that I may be referring to different times in this video:



As this video show cases a large variety of strikes. As well, if you go to the actual URL of that youtube video and view the description, you can cross-reference the Japanese with their English translation, and get a head-start on your training.

 

[Faith]

*I place both of my hand on my bokken like keotsu*
*with my right hand underneath weapon's tsuba (hand guard)*
*and my left hand beneath my right hand*
*then i simply raise my blade above my head so the tip of my blade is pointing
skyward*
*after that i take a step forward *
*bring my blade down in a powerful slash,slashing the air*
*doing the step all over again 100times*


*I place both of my hand on the bokken's hilt*
*then i simply raise my blade again above my head so the tip of my blade is pointing
skyward*
*after that i take another step forward *
*bring my blade down again in a powerful slash,slashing the air*
*preforming the horizontal slash but this time with 2 hands*
*doing the step again 100time non stop*

so in battle mostly preferable is by using one hand way strike
to attack enemy rather then using two hand ? as another hand can
get ready for encounter

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

*I place both of my hand on my bokken like keotsu*
*with my right hand underneath weapon's tsuba (hand guard)*
*and my left hand beneath my right hand*
*then i simply raise my blade above my head so the tip of my blade is pointing
skyward*
*after that i take a step forward *
*bring my blade down in a powerful slash,slashing the air*
*doing the step all over again 100times*


*I place both of my hand on the bokken's hilt*
*then i simply raise my blade again above my head so the tip of my blade is pointing
skyward*
*after that i take another step forward *
*bring my blade down again in a powerful slash,slashing the air*
*preforming the horizontal slash but this time with 2 hands*
*doing the step again 100time non stop*

so in battle mostly preferable is by using one hand way strike
to attack enemy rather then using two hand ? as another hand can
get ready for encounter

Again, a horizontal slash does not go up and down, like you did here. A horizontal slash goes across your chest, as shown in the second video.


Try the horizontal strike again.

Well, that's debatable. Each strike has its own uses, and different fighting styles do it differently.

It may be safe to say that one handed strikes are the one's you'll use most often, but it wouldn't be correct to say much more than that.

 

[Faith]

Alright sorry for mistake again

*Again I place both of my hand on my bokken like keotsu*
*with my right hand underneath weapon's tsuba [hand guard]*
*and my left hand beneath my right hand*
*then i simply raise my blade above my head so the tip of my blade is pointing
skyward*
*after that i take a step forward *
*bring my blade down slashing cross my chest*
*doing the step all over again 200times as punishment!*

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

Alright sorry for mistake again

*Again I place both of my hand on my bokken like keotsu*
*with my right hand underneath weapon's tsuba [hand guard]*
*and my left hand beneath my right hand*
*then i simply raise my blade above my head so the tip of my blade is pointing
skyward*
*after that i take a step forward *
*bring my blade down slashing cross my chest*
*doing the step all over again 200times as punishment!*

=/ Again, no.

The movement you are looking for is from about 4:16 - 4:18 in the video I told you I would be referring back to.

Remember, a horizontal slash is almost like swinging a bat - you have no reason to point it skyward or take a step forward. Also, please start restating how the move is done in your own words, instead of copying/pasting how I'm describing it - this way it allows me to see if you truly understand how the move is preformed.

 

[Faith]

Sorry <_< i really not good in describing word..so i try my best
[I already watched the part from 4:16 - 4:18 as you told me so ]

*So i place my hand on my bokken again*
*with my right hand above my left hand*
*I simply raise my sword and turn it over my head[like the video o.o]
*so my pose would be like swinging baseball bat*
*then i bring my blade down slashing cross my chest *
*slashing the air *
*doing all over again non stop for 300time*

Sorry again <_<

 

[KeotsuEclipse]

Sorry <_< i really not good in describing word..so i try my best
[I already watched the part from 4:16 - 4:18 as you told me so ]

*So i place my hand on my bokken again*
*with my right hand above my left hand*
*I simply raise my sword and turn it over my head[like the video o.o]
*so my pose would be like swinging baseball bat*
*then i bring my blade down slashing cross my chest *
*slashing the air *
*doing all over again non stop for 300time*

Sorry again <_<

Haha! There you go! That's it. ^_^

Now, something I should mention: In the video, he is doing a demonstration of the slash - when you're fighting you don't need to raise it over your head - you just need the side to side slash.

Now, our next motion is the stab, which is relatively simple. o.o

*Placing one hand on the hilt of my bokken, right by the hand guard, I pull my arm back and (with the tip facing as if there was an opponent in front of me) thrust my arm forward, doing a stab.*

Now, try stabbing.