[Theory] Sussano>any jutsu in the manga

[Yo pappy]

his defense is more complete its proven with kirin itachi only survived because sussano is instant garras sand is far from it and your just proving my point garra had the ultimate defense at the chunnin exams this is now garra vs 5 kages with sand defense is nottt better protected then madara if you cant see that then i suggest you show manga evidence as i have shown to you to back it up

*sigh* Sometimes the fail is too strong.

- For one Susanoos activation is NOT instant, fast yes, but not instant. The reason Itachi was able to survive Kirin was because he saw the lightning bolt with his Sharingan before it came down, and that slowed it down just enough to activate Susanoo. That was all about reaction time.

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- Gaaras defense is not instant, and neither is Susanoos activation. The only thing we know for sure is instant is FTG. But that's not to say Gaaras sand isn't extremely fast. Or did you forget that Gaara was able to stop Raikage in V2? Sasukes enton? Or how's this for a little taste?

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Point blank son, you need to stop hating on the sand man.


- How am I proving your point that Gaara had the ultimate defense at the Chuunin? Are you mentally challenged? What I'm trying to get across here is that Sasukes statement was uneducated because he hadn't seen Gaara SINCE the Chuunin exams, and Gaara had improved light-years since then. That's my point. Not to mention that Sasukes Susanoo wasn't even complete when he said that.

 

[-The Agent-]

Yet Tsunade broke it with a fist

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THIS ^


People I should make a PSA about this. Everybody confuses Itachi's Susanoo with Sasuke's and Madara's. itachi's is invincible because he hast the Yata Mirror. Sasuke's and Madara's doesn't.

 

[Uchiha boii]

Susanoo would get eaten alive by Gaara in a desert. Lets see someone using it escape from the sand burial Gaara performed on Kimimaro. As great as Susanoo sounds, its weakness is it drains living users of it substantially. If it doesn't end the fight quickly, it wears its caster out with each passing minute. In my opinion its the Jutsu suited for pussies. MS users should stop hiding behind it and fight like real men. Deidara is another person that would own susanoo by staying airborn and dropping C4s.

hahaha i was waiting for somone like you to post here its a jutsu for pussies but with no sand to defend garra sasuke would rape him with just chidori?? even with sand he made him bleed lmao deidara is inferior to sasuke proven in their fight sussano is not even needed to deal with trash ninja like him try again boii an c4 is wen he blows himself up get your facts straight lmao

 

[Gingka Uzumaki]

TBB is easily established as a move that can destroy it.

 

[Uchiha boii]

*sigh* Sometimes the fail is too strong.

- For one Susanoos activation is NOT instant, fast yes, but not instant. The reason Itachi was able to survive Kirin was because he saw the lightning bolt with his Sharingan before it came down, and that slowed it down just enough to activate Susanoo. That was all about reaction time.

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- Gaaras defense is not instant, and neither is Susanoos activation. The only thing we know for sure is instant is FTG. But that's not to say Gaaras sand isn't extremely fast. Or did you forget that Gaara was able to stop Raikage in V2? Sasukes enton? Or how's this for a little taste?

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Point blank son, you need to stop hating on the sand man.


- How am I proving your point that Gaara had the ultimate defense at the Chuunin? Are you mentally challenged? What I'm trying to get across here is that Sasukes statement was uneducated because he hadn't seen Gaara SINCE the Chuunin exams, and Gaara had improved light-years since then. That's my point. Not to mention that Sasukes Susanoo wasn't even complete when he said that.

arguing with you gets me nowhere garras sand is not better then sussano thats basically what your trying to say garra got rapeface pwnnnned by who deidara when he even had shukaku making him stronger in the desert as well sasuke who didnt even have the mangekyo yet beat deidara come on son sasuke>garra no denying that

 

[Rexoniel]

hahaha i was waiting for somone like you to post here its a jutsu for pussies but with no sand to defend garra sasuke would rape him with just chidori?? even with sand he made him bleed lmao deidara is inferior to sasuke proven in their fight sussano is not even needed to deal with trash ninja like him try again boii an c4 is wen he blows himself up get your facts straight lmao

Oh is it? This is what Narutopedia has to say about C4:

With his clay, Deidara creates a giant doll that looks like him. When it ruptures, a cloud of microscopic bombs are released. Impossible to be seen by a normal person, the bombs will enter the bloodstream of anyone who inhales them. Once there, the countless micro-bombs explode at Deidara's command, causing the victims' bodies to disintegrate at the cellular level; literally turning them into dust. According to Deidara, he created C4 for the sole purpose to defeat Itachi, to combat his Sharingan and the genjutsu it could create.

It likely couldnt survive the explosion from Deidara blowing himself up either. If a punch can get through it I'm sure an explosion of that magnitude would wipe it off the face of this planet. It doesn't even take the highest level of Deidara's attacks. It can't survive against C2's all day.
And who cares if Gaara is defenseless without his sand? It doesn't take away from the fact susanoo is a cheap tactic compared to the other jutsus. Its not even worth praising, its like someone using cheat codes.

 

[Gatsuuga]

someone in this thread posed fang over fang can defeat sussano that person is on serious drugs lol and if he was simply using it for defense why would it have those hand signs? it makes no sense sasukes or itachis has never been shown doing hand signs i have no direct manga evidence stating sussano had those hand signs out because it was amplifying the technique but it certainly looks that way to me

I think they were referring to my username (Gatsuuga=fang-over-fang in Japanese), in that I was winning our discussion, that susanoo isn't the srongest jutsu.
@ the bolded section: At least you can admit that you have no manga evidence to back up your claims, which makes you better than some. Madara's susanoo is also the only one that has 4 arms, and two heads, which also came with no explanation.

Regardless it has been shown that susanoo is not perfect multiple times as many people in this thread have pointed out. Also if susanoo was so strong why didn't Madara just stop there? Why would he feel the need advance to a rinnegan technique, if those jutsu's weren't stronger than susanoo. Again it comes down to the fact that Madara hasn't really used EMS that much against the 5 kage (besides using susanoo just before being launched by someone). Instead he has been using Mokuton, Fire and rinnegan techniqes, proving that in terms of the ultimate attack and defense the buck doesn't stop at susanoo.

 

[Uchiha boii]

Oh is it? Well it likely couldnt survive the explosion for Deidara blowing himself anyway. If a punch can get through it I'm sure an explosion of that magnitude would wipe it off the face of this planet. It doesn't even take the highest level of Deidara's attacks. It can't survive against C2's all day.

smh sasuke defeated deidara longg before he had sussano and you think deidara can beat him now? lmao ur very naive sasuke would shoot a sussano arrow threw deidaras chest before he could even get his clay out

 

[Yo pappy]

arguing with you gets me nowhere garras sand is not better then sussano thats basically what your trying to say garra got rapeface pwnnnned by who deidara when he even had shukaku making him stronger in the desert as well sasuke who didnt even have the mangekyo yet beat deidara come on son sasuke>garra no denying that

No, that's not what I'm trying to say. What I'm saying is that Gaaras sand and Susanoo are two different kinds of defense, and depending on the situation one will work better than the other. That's it, is that too hard to understand? I've proved you wrong three times now, and now you're trying to change the subject to Sasuke VS Gaara. It's okay to admit you're wrong bro. Go ahead, let it out.

 

[Deadai]

hahaha i was waiting for somone like you to post here its a jutsu for pussies but with no sand to defend garra sasuke would rape him with just chidori?? even with sand he made him bleed lmao deidara is inferior to sasuke proven in their fight sussano is not even needed to deal with trash ninja like him try again boii an c4 is wen he blows himself up get your facts straight lmao

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thats the last straw your getting -rep from me b*tch Deidara is awesome if it wasn't for Manda Sasuke would be dead right now so stop hopping on his d*ck like a little fangirl

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[Uchiha boii]

I think they were referring to my username (Gatsuuga=fang-over-fang in Japanese), in that I was winning our discussion, that susanoo isn't the srongest jutsu.
@ the bolded section: At least you can admit that you have no manga evidence to back up your claims, which makes you better than some. Madara's susanoo is also the only one that has 4 arms, and two heads, which also came with no explanation.

Regardless it has been shown that susanoo is not perfect multiple times as many people in this thread have pointed out. Also if susanoo was so strong why didn't Madara just stop there? Why would he feel the need advance to a rinnegan technique, if those jutsu's weren't stronger than susanoo. Again it comes down to the fact that Madara hasn't really used EMS that much against the 5 kage (besides using susanoo just before being launched by someone). Instead he has been using Mokuton, Fire and rinnegan techniqes, proving that in terms of the ultimate attack and defense the buck doesn't stop at susanoo.

im not someone who makes threads just based on how i feel about a jutsu its manga stated facts that have lead me to this solution the rinnegans only known defensive technique is the one where it absorbs ninjutsu as seen with the rasenshuriken thrown at madara but even after that happened sussano is still present on the battlefield as being madaras best means of defense and also a solid way to attack making it all around the best jutsu for both defense and offense the rasenshuriken would not have been enough to stop sussano if it was then garra wouldnt have had to pull madara out of it

 

[Uchiha boii]

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thats the last straw your getting -rep from me b*tch ​

i dont give a f.u.c.k about your feelings dog lol you keep saying edo tensai is the best jutsu but simply summoning zombies isnt going to help you with shit its the attacks they use that make them strong

 

[Kirin Rei]

arguing with you gets me nowhere garras sand is not better then sussano thats basically what your trying to say garra got rapeface pwnnnned by who deidara when he even had shukaku making him stronger in the desert as well sasuke who didnt even have the mangekyo yet beat deidara come on son sasuke>garra no denying that

I'll list the possible ways to get around and/or defeat Susanoo.
Please, dare to disagree. :|

Techniques that can pull the user out of it like Gaara did:

- Gaara's sand (obviously)
- Naruto's BM chakra arms
- Shikamaru's shadow techniques (I'll include Shikaku)
- Kabuto's snakes
- Possibly a couple of the Aburame clan members

Pretty much any ninja that has controllable appendage like techniques that are fast and strong enough to yank someone a couple of meters away from where they were standing. Hell, even puppet users' chakra strings might work if the Susanoo user is caught off guard.

Techniques that can damage it:
- TBB
- Tsunade's punch :|
- A & Oonoki's collective punch
- Oonoki's dust release
- Maybe giant Akimichi clan members (They did try to take on Gedo Mazo :shrug: )
- Possibly Deidara's high level explosives

Techniques that can directly affect the user whilst still inside Susanoo:
- Yamanaka clan's Shintenshin
- Maybe Kamui, if a clear and stable view is possible
- Deidara's mini explosives and molecular explosives

As you can see, there are quite a lot of possible techniques that can be effectively used against Susanoo.
Just give up. :|

 

[Uchiha boii]

No, that's not what I'm trying to say. What I'm saying is that Gaaras sand and Susanoo are two different kinds of defense, and depending on the situation one will work better than the other. That's it, is that too hard to understand? I've proved you wrong three times now, and now you're trying to change the subject to Sasuke VS Gaara. It's okay to admit you're wrong bro. Go ahead, let it out.

where was i when you proved me wrong? ive been here giving direct quotes from the manga where you been? i know there two different types of defense im not retarded this thread is about sussano trumping evry other jutsu but not in terms of power but in terms of how useful the technique is thats what your not getting you bringing garra into this just makes me keep proving to you that sussano is the better defense as stated in the manga more recently then any of garras defensive accomplishments he had his ultimate defense with the shukaku and he still lost to deidara who want even trying to kill him? sauske with susssano beats garra with his sand proven by facts in the manga

 

[Deadai]

i dont give a f.u.c.k about your feelings dog lol you keep saying edo tensai is the best jutsu but simply summoning zombies isnt going to help you with shit its the attacks they use that make them strong

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:sy:are you serious!? "zombies wont help you?" god damn kid your a bigger dumb a$$ then I thought

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[Gatsuuga]

im not someone who makes threads just based on how i feel about a jutsu its manga stated facts that have lead me to this solution the rinnegans only known defensive technique is the one where it absorbs ninjutsu as seen with the rasenshuriken thrown at madara but even after that happened sussano is still present on the battlefield as being madaras best means of defense and also a solid way to attack making it all around the best jutsu for both defense and offense the rasenshuriken would not have been enough to stop sussano if it was then garra wouldnt have had to pull madara out of it

, are you kidding me? How is the rinnegan's summons, shinra tensei, chibaku tensei not defensive?

i dont give a f.u.c.k about your feelings dog lol you keep saying edo tensai is the best jutsu but simply summoning zombies isnt going to help you with shit its the attacks they use that make them strong

Yet they could never be there if it wasn't for Edo tensei. You are forgetting that the talisam also plays a role in edo. Kabuto elected to use a talisman with a weaker bind so that the personalities of his edo's was still present (if he so chose). This way his edo's can be creative, and adaptive in battle as opposed to mindless remotely controlled zombies. Think about it if sasuke and kabuto were going 1v1 and sasuke put up susanoo, to which kabuto countered with 30 edo tensei's, who do you really think would win? I you say sasuke than you are kidding yourself.

 

[Uchiha boii]

I'll list the possible ways to get around and/or defeat Susanoo.
Please, dare to disagree. :|

Techniques that can pull the user out of it like Gaara did:

- Gaara's sand (obviously)
- Naruto's BM chakra arms
- Shikamaru's shadow techniques (I'll include Shikaku)
- Kabuto's snakes
- Possibly a couple of the Aburame clan members

Pretty much any ninja that has controllable appendage like techniques that are fast and strong enough to yank someone a couple of meters away from where they were standing. Hell, even puppet users' chakra strings might work if the Susanoo user is caught off guard.

Techniques that can damage it:
- TBB
- Tsunade's punch :|
- A & Oonoki's collective punch
- Oonoki's dust release
- Maybe giant Akimichi clan members (They did try to take on Gedo Mazo :shrug: )
- Possibly Deidara's high level explosives

Techniques that can directly affect the user whilst still inside Susanoo
- Yamanaka clan's Shintenshin
- Maybe Kamui, if a clear and stable view is possible
- Deidara's mini explosives and molecular explosives

As you can see, there are quite a lot of possible techniques that can be effectively used against Susanoo.
Just give up. :|

son you just bullshited that whole post tho if you give me chapters where these things actually happened ill give you this argument but you cant because these chapters dont exsist this is not a thread saying nothing can defeat sussano this is a thread saying sussano is the most useful jutsu if kamui could defeat it y was kakashi about to get pwned by juts an arrow try again deidara is not strong enough to make an uchiha user even have to summon sussano proven with sasuke and itachi if your talking about inos slow ass mind transfer jutsu against sauske itachi or madara being effective you must be smoking some serioud high grade pass dat shit dis way and all the kages techniques broke an incomplete version thus being proven irrelavent!

 

[Rexoniel]

smh sasuke defeated deidara longg before he had sussano and you think deidara can beat him now? lmao ur very naive sasuke would shoot a sussano arrow threw deidaras chest before he could even get his clay out

Do you not use your head or something? I'm arguing about the fact Susanoo as a defensive measure could not survive against non stop explosions. The longer he keeps it up, the longer it drains the user of their life force. Your so called ultimate jutsu isn't even good enough in Madara's eyes thats why he's had a boner for Hashirama's wood for so long. You say its so great yet Madara still needed the Kyuubi to protect his sorry ass, and it still didn't help him triumphant over Hashirama in the battles he was actually trying to win, and if its all he had, his ass would have been sealed a long time ago without Rinnegan and Mokuton. Susanoo is only appealing for cowards who don't know how to fight. I can imagine you saying "I can't fight worth a damn so now I'm going to hide behind my big brother"

 

[Uchiha boii]

, are you kidding me? How is the rinnegan's summons, shinra tensei, chibaku tensei not defensive?


Yet they could never be there if it wasn't for Edo tensei. You are forgetting that the talisam also plays a role in edo. Kabuto elected to use a talisman with a weaker bind so that the personalities of his edo's was still present (if he so chose). This way his edo's can be creative, and adaptive in battle as opposed to mindless remotely controlled zombies. Think about it if sasuke and kabuto were going 1v1 and sasuke put up susanoo, to which kabuto countered with 30 edo tensei's, who do you really think would win? I you say sasuke than you are kidding yourself.

one rinnegan summon vs sussano? sussano owns with a swing of its sword if kabuto summoned an edo tensai that had the sussano then yeah they might have a chance his trump card has the technique for gods sake

 

[Uchiha boii]

Do you not use your head or something? I'm arguing about the fact Susanoo as a defensive measure could not survive against non stop explosions. The longer he keeps it up, the longer it drains the user of their life force. Your so called ultimate jutsu isn't even good enough in Madara's eyes thats why he's had a boner for Hashirama's wood for so long. You say its so great yet Madara still needed the Kyuubi to protect his sorry ass, and it still didn't help him triumphant over Hashirama in the battles he was actually trying to win, and if its all he had, his ass would have been sealed a long time ago without Rinnegan and Mokuton.

your the one not using your head deidara wouldnt have non stop explosions 1st of all he has to run out of clay and sussano would slap him out of the sky in minutes and just please stop saying it drains the life of the user evry technique has a risk this ones risk is well worth the reward for an uuber defense and an uuber attack all in one jutsu which is no where else in this manga