Susanoo strength discussion

[slimreaper]

When talking about Feats of Susanoo most people use Madara's susanoo as an example considering it has the most feats.

when people use Madara's susanoo as an example for all susanoo feats people say you can't because Madara's is stronger, because it's bigger.

Now I understand a stabilized perfect susanoo is stronger because its a different version of susanoo completely

But susanoo that are the same level with the same dojutsu should be the same strength between users right?

When arguing that Madara's final susanoo ems version is stronger than Sasuke's the bring up the topic of size.
but they never take into consideration that susanoo's size can be manipulated whenever the user wants

from narutopedia:The user can also change the size of it, depending on their skill, to fit the current situation.[19]


The link that says 19 is also a link to sasuke's feats, not madara's so we know sasuke has the skill

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Considering that size can be manipulated, where is the evidence that Madara's final susanoo is stronger than sasuke's?

 

[Joon]

Itachi Susanoo Version is the "Ultimate Defense" and cannot be comparable. Madara's Susanoo focus more on raw power while Sasuke's Susanoo is in its stages which means it is weak then both Madara's and Itachi's Susanoo.

 

[riley freeman]

If sasuke stabilizes his susanoo then it will probably be stronger than madara's

 

[Sir Blades]

Itachi Susanoo Version is the "Ultimate Defense" and cannot be comparable. Madara's Susanoo focus more on raw power while Sasuke's is in its stages which means it is weak then both Madara's and Itachi's Susanoo.

that makes sense.

 

[Uchicha Macho]

Ii agreed
People in mb have their own logic but they will not stick to manga facts

 

[slimreaper]

Itachi Susanoo Version is the "Ultimate Defense" and cannot be comparable. Madara's Susanoo focus more on raw power while Sasuke's Susanoo is in its stages which means it is weak then both Madara's and Itachi's Susanoo.

but sasuke's isn't in its stages anymore

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[ntel]

Itachi's Susanoo:Spiritual Weapons

Madara's Susanooure Size/Raw Power

Sasuke's Susanoo:Flimsy/Amersterasu Manipulation

 

[Joon]

If sasuke stabilizes his susanoo then it will probably be stronger than madara's

Not necessarily. We still do not know what or how Madara stabilize the Susanoo. This could be from his Sharingan to Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan or Rinnegan, or just from his chakra alone.

 

[slimreaper]

Not necessarily. We still do not know what or how Madara stabilize the Susanoo. This could be from his Sharingan to Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan or Rinnegan, or just from his chakra alone.

it isn't rinnegan. he did it while fighting madara with only EMS

 

[Lt Fresh]

I guess the evidence that explains Madara's Susanoo is stronger than Sasuke, is the simple fact that Madara has done more with his and displayed greater feats than Sasuke's.
-Madara's Susanoo can grow legs and feet while Sasuke has yet to be able to show that.
-Madara's Susanoo is able to create hand seals while we have yet to see Sasuke command his Susanoo to do such a thing.
-Lastly we have seen Madara's Susanoo hold of 5 Kages at once and destroy a mountain.

Once Sasuke is able to demonstrate these skills or greater ones is the time we can decide if Sasuke's Susanoo is stronger than Madara's or that all Susanoo's have the same potential.

PS. I do believe the strength of the Susanoo depends on its user. The requirements are all the same, but a stronger Uchiha should be able to make a stronger Susanoo.

 

[slimreaper]

Itachi's Susanoo:Spiritual Weapons

Madara's Susanooure Size/Raw Power

Sasuke's Susanoo:Flimsy/Amersterasu Manipulation

Well size can be manipulated so who is to say size=strength. and if it does then sasuke should easily be able to obtain that strength.
I will agree itachi's is stronger due to spiritual weapons

 

[Joon]

but sasuke's isn't in its stages anymore

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Yes and no. It is currently unknown which is the last stage of Sasunoo. What you posted was a Complete Susanoo or final form. Uselessly complete and final is define by the armor or cloak Susanoo wears and the user eyes.

it isn't rinnegan. he did it while fighting madara with only EMS

Meh. I guess.

 

[slimreaper]

I guess the evidence that explains Madara's Susanoo is stronger than Sasuke, is the simple fact that Madara has done more with his and displayed greater feats than Sasuke's.
-Madara's Susanoo can grow legs and feet while Sasuke has yet to be able to show that.
-Madara's Susanoo is able to create hand seals while we have yet to see Sasuke command his Susanoo to do such a thing.
-Lastly we have seen Madara's Susanoo hold of 5 Kages at once and destroy a mountain.

Once Sasuke is able to demonstrate these skills or greater ones is the time we can decide if Sasuke's Susanoo is stronger than Madara's or that all Susanoo's have the same potential.

PS. I do believe the strength of the Susanoo depends on its user. The requirements are all the same, but a stronger Uchiha should be able to make a stronger Susanoo.

those little susanoo whth feet and hand seals haven't shown to be stronger than average. broken by the raikage, blocked by gaara

 

[slimreaper]

Yes and no. It is currently unknown which is the last stage of Sasunoo. What you posted was a Complete Susanoo or final form. Uselessly complete and final is define by the armor or cloak Susanoo wears and the user eyes.



Meh. I guess.

these are listed as the same level on narutopedia Final susanoo(eternal Mangekyo sharingan version)

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[Rike Senju]

People often forget that madara was born with extra powerful chakra. Not sure if im right but I think his extra chakra is what makes his susanno >>>>>>> sasuke's. Imo.

 

[slimreaper]

People often forget that madara was born with extra powerful chakra. Not sure if im right but I think his extra chakra is what makes his susanno >>>>>>> sasuke's. Imo.

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[Joon]

these are listed as the same level on narutopedia Final susanoo(eternal Mangekyo sharingan version)

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Then Madara's Susanoo was stabilized which tips the scale... >_>

 

[slimreaper]

Then Madara's Susanoo was stabilized which tips the scale... >_>

in the op I said that. but those susanoo should be equal right?
it is repeatedly said that this susanoo is stronger than sasuke's due to size

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but knowing size can be manipulated this argument proves null and void

 

[Rike Senju]

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Sinister chakra does not mean powerful chakra. If sasuke would have been born with powerful chakra it would have been stated like the case with madara.

 

[swagking]

Each one of their susano's are unique. Sasukes can manipulate amateratsu. Madara can become ****ing huge and itachis has the yata mirror and sealing sword.