Susano'o does not require Tsukuyomi

[Draphsin]

It should be quite obvious that that part was exclusive to Itachi's Susanoo, seeing as he found it and equipped the Susano'o with it himself.

However, the Databook explicitly says "Residing in the eyes of those who grasp the workings of Heaven and Earth", and "Susano'o is the strength of the tempestuous force that resides only within those who have mastered both of these techniques"

So, I guess Itachi now classifies as "those"...?

It doesnt matter, because that databook specifically mentions that totsuka and yata are exclusive to susanoo. This paired with the fact that Itachi is labelled as the only user of susanoo proves that the databook is outdated and only refers to him.

 

[Edo Odin]

In the databook it also says "Sussano wields the Totsuka Blade" it doesn't specify who
Don't pick and choose what you feel is best :|

What I'm saying is that that part has already been contradicted, as Itachi equipped the blade and shield to his Susano'o instead of having awakening it. However, the part where it said "To Those who have mastered both", hasn't. I'm not the one denying the words of the one who created the manga.

 

[OnPoint]

Please show me these supposed scans then.

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[HadouKage]

What I'm saying is that that part has already been contradicted, as Itachi equipped the blade and shield to his Susano'o instead of having awakening it. However, the part where it said "To Those who have mastered both", hasn't. I'm not the one denying the words of the one who created the manga.

So we can assume both Sasuke and Madara have Totsukak Blade is what I'm asking you

 

[Edo Odin]

It doesnt matter, because that databook specifically mentions that totsuka and yata are exclusive to susanoo. This paired with the fact that Itachi is labelled as the only user of susanoo proves that the databook is outdated and only refers to him.

Which, I guess, would be the reason for the Databook saying "Only accessible to those who have mastered both techniques", right ?

So we can assume both Sasuke and Madara have Totsukak Blade is what I'm asking you

I'll highlight the part answering that question in my previous post for you.

What I'm saying is that that part has already been contradicted, as Itachi equipped the blade and shield to his Susano'o instead of having awakening it. However, the part where it said "To Those who have mastered both", hasn't. I'm not the one denying the words of the one who created the manga.​

 

[Draphsin]

What I'm saying is that that part has already been contradicted, as Itachi equipped the blade and shield to his Susano'o instead of having awakening it. However, the part where it said "To Those who have mastered both", hasn't. I'm not the one denying the words of the one who created the manga.

yes its has actually

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Which, I guess, would be the reason for the Databook saying "Only accessible to those who have mastered both techniques", right ?
[/INDENT]

Doesnt matter, if you take 1 statement from the databook to be true then you take them all to be true. At least there's a logical explanation as to why the word "those" is used (Itachi is the only known wielder, there was never another person to even refer to at the time other than Itachi).

This actually proves even more that the databook is outdated

 

[Nakamazi Itchigo]

Well I agree with you

 

[Edo Odin]

yes its has actually

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I don't see how that's contradicting anything...Isn't awakening the Mangekyo necessary to be able to master the Tsukyomi and Amaterasu ?

 

[HadouKage]

Which, I guess, would be the reason for the Databook saying "Only accessible to those who have mastered both techniques", right ?

I'll highlight the part answering that question in my previous post for you.

What I'm saying is that that part has already been contradicted, as Itachi equipped the blade and shield to his Susano'o instead of having awakening it. However, the part where it said "To Those who have mastered both", hasn't. I'm not the one denying the words of the one who created the manga.​

Now you're arguing with the databook. Read it again and read the rest of Sussano's description

 

[Edo Odin]

Now you're arguing with the databook. Read it again and read the rest of Sussano's description

Just like in the manga's case, if something is stated in either and is then contradicted later on in either the manga or the databook, the previous information has just been contradicted by Kishi himself. The databooks statement of the Susano'o having the spiritual weapons has been contradicted as we've seen that Itachi was the only one to possess it, but the latter statement has never been contradicted, meaning that it's still valid, regardless of what you may think. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother.

 

[Penguin]

Oh, how immensely smart...

And yeah, let's just say that Kishi's own words are not valid, because Penguin2640 decided that they were "Outdated"...

Penguin2640 > Kishimoto

What I says goes. You need 2 MS too activate Susano'o.

#Isaidit

 

[~Sovereign~]

ive made this statement countless times and I even have a thread b
too but people cant face the facts that the databook is beyond out of date

the databook is about itachi because itachi was the only one with susano at that time

 

[Edo Odin]

ive made this statement countless times and I even have a thread b
too but people cant face the facts that the databook is beyond out of date

the databook is about itachi because itachi was the only one with susano at that time

Which is exactly why it talked about how the Susanoo was only accessible to those who had awakened both Tsuku and Ama...

 

[HadouKage]

Just like in the manga's case, if something is stated in either and is then contradicted later on in either the manga or the databook, the previous information has just been contradicted by Kishi himself. The databooks statement of the Susano'o having the spiritual weapons has been contradicted as we've seen that Itachi was the only one to possess it, but the latter statement has never been contradicted, meaning that it's still valid, regardless of what you may think. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother.

Draphsin just posted a scan that contradicted your statement
Not only can't you provide "solid" proof that Sasuke used Tsukuyomi
You can't provide any solid proof that Madara possess Ama

I don't know why I bother either :|

 

[Zatack]

That's not what people arw going off. We're going off of when Kishu confirmed it in the databook.

Which is why Tsuki no Me involves him casting Tsukiyomi, right?

He just didn't think that trough too well did he?

 

[Edo Odin]

Draphsin just posted a scan that contradicted your statement
Not only can't you provide "solid" proof that Sasuke used Tsukuyomi
You can't provide any solid proof that Madara possess Ama

I don't know why I bother either :|

The Manga stated that two Mangekyo are needed, I don't see how that contradicts the Databook's statement saying that Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are needed...Anyways, since you seem to be unable to even consider something other than your own opinion, I've reached the conclusion that this is beyond pointless. Believe what you will.

 

[HadouKage]

The Manga stated that two Mangekyo are needed, I don't see how that contradicts the Databook's statement saying that Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are needed...Anyways, since you seem to be unable to even consider something other than your own opinion, I've reached the conclusion that this is beyond pointless. Believe what you will.

Why do people also pick and choose what they want? Sasuke said the condition to awaken it is a mangenkyo in both eyes. Yet you are arguing the condition to fulfill the gain of Sussano is both Ama and Tsukuyomi. Sasuke did not imply that you need both he just said Two MKS. Like I said, Draphsin has contradicted your statement.

And the submissive flag is thrown in
Until I see manga proof of this, then my thinking stands
The databook also called Hiruzen God of Shinobi which has been contradicted

 

[Nous]

I agree. Good analogy!

 

[shogun973]

In the databook it also says "Sussano wields the Totsuka Blade" it doesn't specify who
Don't pick and choose what you feel is best :|

your reaching too hard, you lost this debate deal with it

 

[HadouKage]

your reaching too hard, you lost this debate deal with it

Why are you talking? You can't even comprehend the databook