Susanoo can't help against Minato's flying thunder god technique

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If you were a ninja would you absorb an attack with 0 effort or block it with your own jutsu

Use common sense.. Why create susanoo to block an attack when you can just absorb it?

Any TRUE ninja would simply absorb an attack rather than Block it and Madara fighting experience is far superior than everyone except maybe Hashi


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Itachi created Susanoo to block Kirin and survive it which struct the ground at .0001 seconds [manga fact]

The second time he created susanoo he didn't need to put it up at .0001 seconds BESIDES

When it comes to Madara absorbing RS and Itachi putting up susanoo slowly.. Kishi wanted to just illustrate new abilities.

Another example is when Itachi and Sasuke blocked Kabuto's snake attack. They both put up V1 full susanoo extremely fast


Then why'd he do this?

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Ransengan is pure chakra, if Madara has the attitude you claim he had, why didn't he absorb it then and there?
 

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do you have any prove?

the manga confirmed that susanoo can be apart from its user.
tsunade even tore off susanoos sword and slashed madara with it.

The sand that Gaara was modified by Onoki's lightweight technique. Gaara made an opportunity by easily catch Madara off guard by pulling him from his Susanoo. You can pull the user from Susanoo and blind your opponent with light jutsu to counter the focus that the user must have to maintain Susanoo. Still teleporting Susanoo from the users surrounding is highly unlikely.
 

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The sand that Gaara was modified by Onoki's lightweight technique. Gaara made an opportunity by easily catch Madara off guard by pulling him from his Susanoo. You can pull the user from Susanoo and blind your opponent with light jutsu to counter the focus that the user must have to maintain Susanoo. Still teleporting Susanoo from the users surrounding is highly unlikely.
simply your opinion, nothing more.
the manga says otherwise.

i'll leave it at this, no point in discussing this further.
 
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Then why'd he do this?

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Ransengan is pure chakra, if Madara has the attitude you claim he had, why didn't he absorb it then and there?

because he was caught off guard by Oonoki earth core shift which gakido had no effect on
 

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simply your opinion, nothing more.

the manga says otherwise.

i'll leave it at this, no point in discussing this further.

Yeah it's all talk with you. The manga doesn't say shit about FTG separating the Susanoo from the user. The idea is preposterous! The manga only states that you can pull the user from his Susanoo that is all. How funny that Minato can defeat Madara's Susanoo with no difficulty because of his gifted FTG!
 

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Let me say this, Minato can teleport chakra. This was proven when he teleported Kurama+Biju dama. Minato can chose what he teleports when he's connected, as proven when he teleported Kurama and the biju dama but not Gamabunta.

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Susanoo can be separated from the user, I shouldn't even have to explain this. Susanoo does take time to disappear and reform.

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Also, many are underestimating how taxing recreating susanoo can be for MS users.

He can do this when fighting against Madara as well, but since PS is the same size as the 9 tails, it would drain a lot of his chakra.
 

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because he was caught off guard by Oonoki earth core shift which gakido had no effect on

He didn't start ribcage susanoo until massive ransengan was close to him. If it was earth core shift, he would have activated it immediately.
 

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No point in going back it forth with you guys... here is something for you guys

You state things aren't true till shown in the manga so I say the same

Until minato warps susanoo from a user in manga or says it in databook he cant do it.
 

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No point in going back it forth with you guys... here is something for you guys

You state things aren't true till shown in the manga so I say the same

Until minato warps susanoo from a user in manga or says it in databook he cant do it.

Do you really think a description for jutsu is going to be constantly compared by how effective it is to other jutsu? We're piecing manga scans together to form a conclusion. You're just making assumptions without any support.
 

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so it's because of kcm? wrong!

prove:

minato can warp stuff without touching things directly, as long as an indirect connection exists.

prove 1:

minato is indirectly connected to sasuke and naruto through gamakichi, but he still can warp them.


prove 2:

minato is indirectly connected to the kyuubi and his tbb through gamabunta, be he still can warp him.

Yes, it is. What applies to Naruto's KCM, applies to Minato. He doesn't have any special kind of KCM, Okay? Minato NEVER used the term connect. Show me a single manga page where he did. He specifically said, 'Touch' not 'Connect'. Which means his chakra needs to touch the target in some form for him to teleport it with him, and that can only be his FTG Kunai and Tag.

We never even saw Minato do anything, so this is speculation at best. The only reason he even Teleported the TBB, was because it was still right in front the damn fox's mouth - it was compressing the chakra, hence it WAS directly connected to it. Going by your logic, Minato should only have teleported Kurama and not its chakra. Since both are connected - like the Susano'o and user - this example falls flat on this ground alone.
 

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Minato still needs kunais to get close to susanoo to do that.

Sharingan is able to see chakra, barriers, and markings and trace kunais all too good to fall for unexpected attack.

All that is required is to keep some distance from nearest kunai.
 

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If Itachi catches Minato with the Totsuka blade, it's GG. But seeing how Minato has KCM and was already insanely fast.. that won't happen.

Minato wins mid diff.
 

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proof that minato > itachi is overwhelming

well done op

Lol why did i know that this one was coming? xD Unfortunately you're wrong. A Susanoo user can't recreate another one when one is already active
It's been shown in this manga that for the creation of Susanoo, there is a chakra manifestation before
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And when Susanoo is created, it has been shown that the Susanoo user can't create another one. It's for that reason that Madara had no other choice than using Rinnengan's Gakidou ability to warp the attack
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To recreate Susanoo, he needs

Something that was again proven when Hashirama . He couldn't activate it once more at that time

It's because of this that warping the Susanoo user out of his Susanoo will leave him open since at that moment(the time to deactivate the jutsu and reactivate it), he couldn't use Susanoo

FTG is on the contrary instant. Do the math


i wanted to + rep u on this unfortunately i cant
 
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I am quoting myself to put an end to this connect and radius logic:

Yes, it is. What applies to Naruto's KCM, applies to Minato. He doesn't have any special kind of KCM, Okay? Minato NEVER used the term connect. Show me a single manga page where he did. He specifically said, 'Touch' not 'Connect'. Which means his chakra needs to touch the target in some form for him to teleport it with him, and that can only be his FTG Kunai and Tag.

We never even saw Minato do anything, so this is speculation at best. The only reason he even Teleported the TBB, was because it was still right in front the damn fox's mouth - it was compressing the chakra, hence it WAS directly connected to it. Going by your logic, Minato should only have teleported Kurama and not its chakra. Since both are connected - like the Susano'o and user - this example falls flat on this ground alone.

Looks like the manga agrees with me:

As I mentioned: His chakra needs to 'Touch' not 'Connect'. It's about time these pointless threads stopped. KCM exudes chakra and this simply proved it.
 
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