Super theory. inc- EMS, Shisui, Tobi stuff and more ?

[Colonel Armstrong]

I think its more logical to conclude that Madara is somehow connected to Sasuke. Its a stretch, but Madara could the father of Setsuna(the whole he carried the will of Madara thing) or Mikoto could be his grand daughter(black hair is the only connection I know of lol). This could explain how Itachi, Madara, and Sasuke all have the same MS techniques.

Anyways, I think I found the reason why Tobi controlled Yagura.

1. He needed the 3 tails of course
2. He wanted to destabilize the Mist so it would eventually collapse upon itself, eliminating the threat to his plan
3. He wanted to find followers that would put the mission above all else. Kisame fit the bill perfectly. Tobi himself pushes this whole "mission above all else" thing to an extreme. That's even further connection with Root.

So his plan was to create an environment that bred shinobi who put the mission above all else. He did this by implanting practices of Root into the schooling system.

It seems though his plans for capturing the 3 tails had failed. There was probably an insurrection of some sort aside from the one Zabuza attempted.

Yeah he's in the databook. I'll get the manga page in just a sec. He's legit.

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EDIT: Why in the hell did Kishi even mention some of these characters?

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Its another Senju and another Uchiha! Toka and Hikaku.

Haha its a possibility I guess but I doubt it.

What I found interesting was the guy behind Hikaku in the manga

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1. Tobi needed Sasuke to initially sync with Gedo Mazo like Nagato. Well more importantly, I believe Tobi wanted Sasuke to advance his EMS to Rinnegan. Tobi states himself he likes to stock up on good eyes. If Tobi would of got Sasuke's eyes, it would of done no use in trying to get EMS because Tobi isn't brothers with Itachi

So Tobi wanted Sasuke to unlock Rinnegan and sync with Gedo, but since his plan wasn't going accordingling, he decided to get Nagato's Rinnegan so he himself could sync with it.

I could be wrong on this last point.

2. It's possible

Anyways, this theory is really good and many people have praised LssjBroly for it.

Much respect for all the time and effort you put in.
I've seen so many Tobi theories that im losing track of how many Uchiha's there have been so to reduce further confusion im trusting your theory xd

you my boy, are one legit person

 

[SilverSlick]

you my boy, are one legit person

Ey thanks man. You brought up some good points yourself. You saying Oro being connected with Danzo and Tobi got me to thinking. Also, the manga pic you posted earlier where Danzo saw Tobi and he didn't even looked surprised.

@LssjBroly, what I'm about to show you can potentially prove Shisui being the brother of Obito.

All credit goes to bigfoot somethin somethin. He created thread a while back which I just remembered had something interesting about it.

Alright, notice the MS Sharingans

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Madara's MS

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Izuna's MS

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Notice how Madara has a black dot while Izuna has an open circle

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Sasuke's MS

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Itachi's MS

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Again, notice this time, Sasuke's MS has a black while Itachi has an open circle

Alright, now here comes the real shocker

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Shisui's MS

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Obito's/Kakashi's MS

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Shisui has the black dot while Obito has an open circle

If this indicates anything, its that when there are two brothers in a family and both have unlocked MS, that one MS will feature a black dot while the other will feature an open circle. This plays into the whole EMS thing. Its quite understandable now that I think about it.

EDIT: Here's the thread.

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. Thank
Bigfoot34501 for this awesome discovery.

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

1: True, but as we've seen DNA can be taken from the dead and used to activate things otherwise unobtainable.

2: I think Sasuke had MS before encountering Itachi.

that second one is a no no

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there is two ways to explain that:
1: he got the ms by seeing his brother fall right before him
2: he got the ms by seeing orochi(the person he was closest to since he went on a power prowl) fall/get sealed. there is no way that guy had ms before fighting itachi

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

ey thanks man. You brought up some good points yourself. You saying oro being connected with danzo and tobi got me to thinking. Also, the manga pic you posted earlier where danzo saw tobi and he didn't even looked surprised.

@lssjbroly, what i'm about to show you can potentially prove shisui being the brother of obito.

All credit goes to bigfoot somethin somethin. He created thread a while back which i just remembered had something interesting about it.

Alright, notice the ms sharingans

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madara's ms

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izuna's ms

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notice how madara has a black dot while izuna has an open circle

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sasuke's ms

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itachi's ms

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again, notice this time, sasuke's ms has a black while itachi has an open circle

alright, now here comes the real shocker

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shisui's ms

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obito's/kakashi's ms

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shisui has the black dot while obito has an open circle

if this indicates anything, its that when there are two brothers in a family and both have unlocked ms, that one ms will feature a black dot while the other will feature an open circle. This plays into the whole ems thing. Its quite understandable now that i think about it.

mind blown once more!!!!!

speaking about that dude..i thought of something wild crazy...



Let me just start out by saying that the ramifications for this theory are potentially huge for the Uchiha subplot, or at least Itachi's part of it.

First, let's take a look at Kotoamatsukami:

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We know it can only be used once every 10 years with each eye. We also know that Itachi couldn't use it while it was in his possession because it was still recharging from a previous use. On top of THAT, about 10 years had passed since Shisui's death and Itachi's death- after which, Kotoamatsukami became usable again in the eye Itachi had kept (this is based on the time Orochimaru was stated to have left Akatsuki...which was within a year of Itachi's defection from Konoha and Shisui's death preceding it). So we know Kotoamatsukami was used not long before Itachi obtained the eye.

Moreover, Shishui's Mangekyou Sharingan fades each time after Kotoamatsukami is used:

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Now look at Shisui's eye in this flashback:

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His Mangekyou Sharingan was still active when he met with Itachi. That means Kotoamatsukami was not used until shortly before his death. The only person who was present at Shisui's time of death (as far as we know, at this point), and thus the only person Kotoamatsukami could have been used on...




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Now, we can dive into speculation about what Kotoamatsukami was used on Itachi for. Maybe Shisui was the one who originally embedded the "Protect Konoha" command, and maybe that ultimately helped Itachi make his decision to slaughter the Uchiha clan in order to protect the village. Maybe it was something else entirely. I don't think there's any indication at this point, but the evidence that Shisui DID use Kotoamatsukami on Itachi- for whatever reason -is pretty compelling.

I don't know if anybody else thought of this, but I just did and I find it pretty interesting. If we're really on the precipice of another major Uchiha flashback, this could prove to have had an instrumental role in shaping the events of the past.

 

[SilverSlick]

mind blown once more!!!!!

speaking about that dude..i thought of something wild crazy...



Let me just start out by saying that the ramifications for this theory are potentially huge for the Uchiha subplot, or at least Itachi's part of it.

First, let's take a look at Kotoamatsukami:

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We know it can only be used once every 10 years with each eye. We also know that Itachi couldn't use it while it was in his possession because it was still recharging from a previous use. On top of THAT, about 10 years had passed since Shisui's death and Itachi's death- after which, Kotoamatsukami became usable again in the eye Itachi had kept (this is based on the time Orochimaru was stated to have left Akatsuki...which was within a year of Itachi's defection from Konoha and Shisui's death preceding it). So we know Kotoamatsukami was used not long before Itachi obtained the eye.

Moreover, Shishui's Mangekyou Sharingan fades each time after Kotoamatsukami is used:

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Now look at Shisui's eye in this flashback:

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His Mangekyou Sharingan was still active when he met with Itachi. That means Kotoamatsukami was not used until shortly before his death. The only person who was present at Shisui's time of death (as far as we know, at this point), and thus the only person Kotoamatsukami could have been used on...




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Now, we can dive into speculation about what Kotoamatsukami was used on Itachi for. Maybe Shisui was the one who originally embedded the "Protect Konoha" command, and maybe that ultimately helped Itachi make his decision to slaughter the Uchiha clan in order to protect the village. Maybe it was something else entirely. I don't think there's any indication at this point, but the evidence that Shisui DID use Kotoamatsukami on Itachi- for whatever reason -is pretty compelling.

I don't know if anybody else thought of this, but I just did and I find it pretty interesting. If we're really on the precipice of another major Uchiha flashback, this could prove to have had an instrumental role in shaping the events of the past.

Dude, that's a great possibility. I never noticed the eye thing. Its seems highly likely given the timeline you brought up.

But! Some questions arises. Like why did Shisui use KA on Itachi? I want to know so bad now!

 

[KisuneUchiha]

Umm i believe that Tobi doesn't go blind cuz he doesn't really have MS as you never rlly see him use it or any of it's moves

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

Dude, that's a great possibility. I never noticed the eye thing. Its seems highly likely given the timeline you brought up.

But! Some questions arises. Like why did Shisui use KA on Itachi? I want to know so bad now!

thats what im saying!! or did itachi come after shisui just fought someone?? argh!! kishi better hurry up..but you know what i dont like? HOW THE FVCK DID A MANGA GET LEAKED 4 DAYS EARLY???sh!t dont make no sense...i so hate waiting so long for one manga...and that anime better be doubled again this week too....sorry im mad..lol

 

[SilverSlick]

thats what im saying!! or did itachi come after shisui just fought someone?? argh!! kishi better hurry up..but you know what i dont like? HOW THE FVCK DID A MANGA GET LEAKED 4 DAYS EARLY???sh!t dont make no sense...i so hate waiting so long for one manga...and that anime better be doubled again this week too....sorry im mad..lol

Lol, nah, the manga just came out 4 days early because of the jump being off a week.

 

[Knights Saotome]

good theory, it wouldnt surprise if thats how it is. +rep

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

Lol, nah, the manga just came out 4 days early because of the jump being off a week.

shiddd...well they better try to make a double of the manga in the future

 

[al3xsmith13]

nicely done yo! +rep

 

[TerikeUchiha]

Yo , i have a theory about how madara could be beaten in the current scenario in mang .....Add and reply if interested imma bitnew so im asking a senior for guidance @LssJBroly

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

Yo , i have a theory about how madara could be beaten in the current scenario in mang .....Add and reply if interested imma bitnew so im asking a senior for guidance @LssJBroly

oh welcome man...im interested in hearing your thing about madara....can i know it? lol

 

[TerikeUchiha]

oh welcome man...im interested in hearing your thing about madara....can i know it? lol

lol sure man , pm me or sum cause i dont wanna get flamed by the wackos who dont understand the word "THEORY"

 

[TerikeUchiha]

Overall you did good bro + rrep

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

Dude, that's a great possibility. I never noticed the eye thing. Its seems highly likely given the timeline you brought up.

But! Some questions arises. Like why did Shisui use KA on Itachi? I want to know so bad now!

hold up....just like how danzo couldnt use shisui's KA without making the sharingan a ms then that goes for the same for tobi! he does have ms! you cant do that warping thing with a three tome eye...that just makes you copy and see things more clearly...where is that guy minato flash...................lol

 

[SilverSlick]

hold up....just like how danzo couldnt use shisui's KA without making the sharingan a ms then that goes for the same for tobi! he does have ms! you cant do that warping thing with a three tome eye...that just makes you copy and see things more clearly...where is that guy minato flash...................lol

Most definitely. I think Senju DNA helps him hide his MS appearance. Same could go with Danzo. It was stated on the Uchiha shrine that one must have MS to control Madara. Also, Itachi used Susano'o arm with his 3-Tomoe activated. I'll try and get the pic.

And Tobi's S/T Tech definitely is unique to him.

 

[KagamiSenju]

Actually Makes sense To Call it a super Theory Cos It Takes a Real long Time to come Out With such good evidence

 

[Floydical]

Repped.

The whole family tree is a great way to look at this, but it makes things hard to explain on Kishi's end, given so much time has passed. Its still possible, but I consider it far fetched right now considering we know really nothing about their family life. From the manga, its assumed that neither Izuna or Kagami ever had any offspring, but again its possible.

 

[Super Saiyan 2 Teen Gohan]

Great theory, +rep

The family tree makes sense and so does "why Tobi wants Sasuke" because both his sons died without him being able to acquire EMS.