Super theory. inc- EMS, Shisui, Tobi stuff and more ?

[Legendary Broly]

As for the obito/shisui being brothers. Yes their age fits, but my argument was, that other known brothers within the uchiha family were all geniuses, which obito didn't seem to be.
As for whatever age Izuna is that doesn't matter one bit. He died in battle before Konoha was founded, meaning it is impossible for him to be kagamis father, given that kagami was born at the same year as hiruzen and danzo, which of course can't be said 100 % sure.
Kagami though could have been obito/shisuis father, since he would be aroun 40 when obito was born.
Also I believe you need something very important in your theory.
Uchiha Madara was the one who started the 1. ninja war. As his fight with oonoki and muu. Only reason he left them alive was so they would start war. At that time he still wore his konoha head band, although he most likely had already left konoha. Spurring up hatred in the world of shinobi, the great question would be, had he already begun his plan at this point in time? If he already wanted his village (including remaining uchiha members) to get destroyed, why would tobi be an uchiha, and it definitly couldn't be one that was still in the village at this time.
So if kagami was born earlier, so that Izuna was his father, him being tobi would be unlikely. Although if he was born shortly before or after madaras "death" it would be possible.

A woman is prego for 9 months - he could of been born long after Izuna died and this could of been after the Konoha founding, slightly before what not xd :ice:
Hmm after Madara's death you are making me think Kagami is Madara's son
But like you said we can't be 100% sure I mean it is all a theory
Nice observation bro I admit though xd
You deserve rep +

Depends the subject you open, lol.

And yes, have to agree, it says a lot!

You are too kind uzumaki friend :T_T:
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Thanks bro I am glad it opened your mind wease:
rep+ thanks for your time

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

but note that Asuma was Sarutobi's son and was almost the age of Kakashi/Obito so that might not be the case.......

True but keep in mind white fang is the same age as the sannin & we don't know how old asuma's siblings are but most likely older

Also fugaku & minato have sons in the current generation which includes shisui & itachi so logically obito would have a father around the sannins age while shisui's range from minato to sannin age also allowing it to be the same person

For those that never noticed
Master & student aren't to far apart in age
Hiruzen - Jiraiya - minato - kakashi - naruto
Now if you look at this ^^^ you'll see
Jiraiya/white fang = father of kakashi
minato = father of naruto
Making hiruzen = father of asuma/kakashi & "OLDER SIBLING"/ around the age of kohona 11 parents (keep in mind hinota has a little sista around konohomaru's age

Side note: I can map out all the ages of characters except madara & hashirama but hash I know is the older of the two

 

[Legendary Broly]

True but keep in mind white fang is the same age as the sannin & we don't know how old asuma's siblings are but most likely older

Also fugaku & minato have sons in the current generation which includes shisui & itachi so logically obito would have a father around the sannins age while shisui's range from minato to sannin age also allowing it to be the same person

For those that never noticed
Master & student aren't to far apart in age
Hiruzen - Jiraiya - minato - kakashi - naruto
Now if you look at this ^^^ you'll see
Jiraiya/white fang = father of kakashi
minato = father of naruto
Making hiruzen = father of asuma/kakashi & "OLDER SIBLING" around the age of kohona 11 parents (keep in mind hinota has a little sista around konohomaru's age

Side note: I can map out all the ages of characters except madara & hashirama but hash I know is the older of the two

@bold: so if Asuma does have an older sibling this means kagami can be perfectly suited to being the father of someone in Kakashi's generation :scorps:

 

[SilverSlick]

A woman is prego for 9 months - he could of been born long after Izuna died and this could of been after the Konoha founding, slightly before what not xd :ice:
Hmm after Madara's death you are making me think Kagami is Madara's son
But like you said we can't be 100% sure I mean it is all a theory
Nice observation bro I admit though xd
You deserve rep +



You are too kind uzumaki friend :T_T:
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Thanks bro I am glad it opened your mind wease:
rep+ thanks for your time

I think its more logical to conclude that Madara is somehow connected to Sasuke. Its a stretch, but Madara could the father of Setsuna(the whole he carried the will of Madara thing) or Mikoto could be his grand daughter(black hair is the only connection I know of lol). This could explain how Itachi, Madara, and Sasuke all have the same MS techniques.

Anyways, I think I found the reason why Tobi controlled Yagura.

1. He needed the 3 tails of course
2. He wanted to destabilize the Mist so it would eventually collapse upon itself, eliminating the threat to his plan
3. He wanted to find followers that would put the mission above all else. Kisame fit the bill perfectly. Tobi himself pushes this whole "mission above all else" thing to an extreme. That's even further connection with Root.

So his plan was to create an environment that bred shinobi who put the mission above all else. He did this by implanting practices of Root into the schooling system.

It seems though his plans for capturing the 3 tails had failed. There was probably an insurrection of some sort aside from the one Zabuza attempted.

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

@bold: so if Asuma does have an older sibling this means kagami can be perfectly suited to being the father of someone in Kakashi's generation :scorps:

Yea but then shisui is out of the picture of being his son..
Naruto could never be hiruzens son so shisui being the same generation but about seven years older cannot be his son as well

At the max shisui was 8 at the time of kyubi attack seeing as hiruzen & his wife was already old more than likely she couldn't bare children = kagami's baby momma

 

[Legendary Broly]

I think its more logical to conclude that Madara is somehow connected to Sasuke. Its a stretch, but Madara could the father of Setsuna(the whole he carried the will of Madara thing) or Mikoto could be his grand daughter(black hair is the only connection I know of lol). This could explain how Itachi, Madara, and Sasuke all have the same MS techniques.

Anyways, I think I found the reason why Tobi controlled Yagura.

1. He needed the 3 tails of course
2. He wanted to destabilize the Mist so it would eventually collapse upon itself, eliminating the threat to his plan
3. He wanted to find followers that would put the mission above all else. Kisame fit the bill perfectly. Tobi himself pushes this whole "mission above all else" thing to an extreme. That's even further connection with Root.

So his plan was to create an environment that bred shinobi who put the mission above all else. He did this by implanting practices of Root into the schooling system.

It seems though his plans for capturing the 3 tails had failed. There was probably an insurrection of some sort aside from the one Zabuza attempted.

Hmm yeah it is a stretch but again a theory xd
It sounds good bro again more wisdom coming from you
I like the idea tbh I think that is one family tree
Madara, Sasuke, Itachi etc
and the other is Izuna's
Kagami, Obito, Shisui etc
xd
And as for the three tails it sounds like a good theory ! AGAIn ! xd
I love how you are connecting this whole thing back to root ! you need to collect them all and combine them into one mash up theory so people can read the whole thing not bits of it

Hmm yeah and there is always suspicious circumstances surrounding the death of Yagura ? :shrug:

Yea but then shisui is out of the picture of being his son..
Naruto could never be hiruzens son so shisui being the same generation but about seven years older cannot be his son as well

At the max shisui was 8 at the time of kyubi attack seeing as hiruzen & his wife was already old more than likely she couldn't bare children = kagami's baby momma

Why max 8 ? Shisui was a bit older then Itachi he could at least be a few years younger then kakashi ?
Hmm where do you draft these awesome timelines btw ?
They sound pretty legit xd

 

[SilverSlick]

Yea but then shisui is out of the picture of being his son..
Naruto could never be hiruzens son so shisui being the same generation but about seven years older cannot be his son as well

At the max shisui was 8 at the time of kyubi attack seeing as hiruzen & his wife was already old more than likely she couldn't bare children = kagami's baby momma

Actually, I'd bet that Shisui would be in his late twenties or hell, maybe a year younger or older than Obito. Basically because of his fight with Ao which was around or during the bloody mist era. By my calculations, the bloody mist era happened about 2-4 years after the Kyuubi attack based merely on Kisame's age. So what your saying is that Shisui fought Ao around the age of 10 or 12.

 

[Legendary Broly]

Actually, I'd bet that Shisui would be in his late twenties or hell, maybe a year younger or older than Obito. Basically because of his fight with Ao which was around or during the bloody mist era. By my calculations, the bloody mist era happened about 2-4 years after the Kyuubi attack based merely on Kisame's age. So what your saying is that Shisui fought Ao around the age of 10 or 12.

Yeah I too thought he'd be around 12 during the 9 tails attack ? :shrug:

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

Ao is not old & shisui is famous we don't know if it was a war or mission ao & shisui fought in itachi kakashi (superior talent at young ages ) & all ninjas fight young

Hanzo fought negato does that mean hanzo if alive would be in his 40's?

Shisui was around 15 16 at his death compare sasuke to itachi or izuna to madara because itachi looked up to him doesn't mean he was grown

Keep in mind shisui was the one of the most gifted so like itachi or the other 3 I named he got ms. young & recognition young

 

[Chatte]

Just a curiosity... In the end, is Setsuna Uchiha a legit char.? Cause I've heard he is somehow invented over the forums...
I know he appears in a panel with the Uchihas but so are others and are not mentioned.
Is he in the Databooks or something?

 

[MinatoFLASH]

Okay I quoted most of the comments xd
And I rep+ most of the good ones as well that praised me ofc



@bold I agree 100% :scorps: xd



Hey bro you have a great point xd
I just thought since these were the only characters ever shown there may be a connection between them :shrug:
Perhaps they are relevant somehow ? I mean its a logical choice to link known characters together :shrug:
Thanks man rep+



@bold:
You don't necessarily have to kill your best friend for MS there is another way like exposing yourself to some emotional turmoil or something along those lines ? I know there is two ways to get MS like how Kakashi got MS
@red: this statement can be interpreted two ways U_U It can be interpreted as you interpreted it or that Tobi believes that there is no point revealing his face to Gai as he would just forget it anyway - are you saying he is Obito ?
LOL



LOL at voice thing : random thought much xd
And well you actually gave me an idea bro
It does suggest he has MS as he uses the same dimension as Kakashi's MS U_U
Also bro when you say we haven't seen his eye change - we haven't - but this does not mean it hasn't
Also this could of been because if it did change we'd see the MS design which looks like Kakashi's which would ruin Kishi trying to hide aspects of Tobi's identity

BTW at EDIT: LOL that is mainly the others discussion xd



Okay well Shisui and Obito are the right ages to be brothers xd
Also its not that Obito is dumb etc. its the powers from their eyes - which points to strong blood line
As for kagami , the generation above him is Tobirama who would be the same age as Izuna - (hashi's little bro, madara's little bro )
So I still believe that there can be a son - father connection there xd



LOL mind blown :scorps: lost for words xd
LMAO there should be a sticky thread for all your epic theories



Well bro this is just a theory thread xd :scorps:

1. Why does he implant Itachi's eyes in Sasuke ?
Well this is because they are not evolved into EMS yet ! :sy;
It would not work if he just pushed Itachi's eyes into his own head as it would not evolve into EMS U_U

2. Again this is a theory man xd
I still think you need EMS for infinite Tsukuyomi and rinnegan like you said to control the Juubi - This is part of the reason why he keeps one sharingan and one rinnegan as he can't transform his rinnegan to sharingan as it is not originally his and he never evolved it again bringing me back to why he would want EMS - to evolve it further to rinnegan and have the ability to switch between rinnegan and sharingan techniques xd

3. As for Rin , this would explain where she went U_U
It is just a theory that I threw in there to explain her disappearance
However we don't know whether its just the eye that needs to see the emotional turmoil or the mind its a fictional eye for faqs sake it can do anything - again just a theory so calm down :scorps:

4. Just assuming ? it is a theory xd
AND your're just assuming that he doesn't have it and also that is just a S/T ninjutsu xd
Also sine the S/T ninjutsu is based from the eye and not the body I can assume it is a similar tech to Kakashi's Kamui



So you are saying he is Obito ?
@bold: Inside the box :rofl: I think you under rated me a bit :T_T:



Well nice theory man xd
And yeah Izuna is second on my list
How would he live so long though ?
You have some good points though and about training them - He didn't have time in between giving Nagato the rinnegan and forming Akatsuki and controlling Yagura etc ..

You have some good theories and as for MS techniques I believe the S/T one he is using is from his MS - I mean as he absorbs shiet it goes into his eye :shrug:

Anyway he has been shown to use a fire technique the fire one in a recent manga chapter

Well Sasuke and Itachi have Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu - possible decendents from Madara and Izuna's decedents follow the random controlling ones ? xd



I agree bro :scorps: Nice theory you put words to my mouth - I have trouble explaining stuff like that I share a similar theory rep+



LOL thanks and where did you get that idea ? :shrug: xd

lol I like how you defended your theory but........you still didnt explain why he didnt take Itachi's eyes? You said because they werent made into EMS yet but according to you Tobi had the MS so according to Manga MS+MS= EMS! SO y didnt he take Itachi's MS because with his MS he would of made an EMS since you said Tobi has MS. SO why didnt he get iEMS from Itachi because wouldnt 2 MS do the same for him as it did for Sasuke? Giving him the EMS?? SO why didnt he accomplish his life long dream and take itachi's MS??

I will tell you. Because he obviously didnt need Itachi's MS because he doesnt need EMS since he has the advanced version of it. Rinnegan. The fact that he didnt take Itachi's MS makes your theory weak already.

2. RIn wont help him get MS nor would killing her that doesnt make any sense but I would let it slide and say its a weak theory XD.

3. I am not assuming Tobi doesnt have MS and I am not assuming he has s/t ninjutsu. Im just stating that he couldnt be spamming MS like that to dodge tiny weapons which you said he was using MS to do. He would of gone blind by now unless maybe he had EMS which you said he doesnt.

All in all even though Im makning it look like a weak theory your theory was well thought out of but I am just pointing out flaws like you said to do.

 

[Legendary Broly]

Just a curiosity... In the end, is Setsuna Uchiha a legit char.? Cause I've heard he is somehow invented over the forums...
I know he appears in a panel with the Uchihas but so are others and are not mentioned.
Is he in the Databooks or something?

@SilverSlick EXPLAIN !
He is the man on this guy xd

 

[SilverSlick]

Yeah I too thought he'd be around 12 during the 9 tails attack ? :shrug:

Alright man, I have one more connection that I think I found and then I'll tie it all up together.

Alright first, I believe Tobi actually had KA and he used it on Yagura. He probably didn't have Senju/Hashi cells at this point so of course he had the ten year drawback as well. So after he used it once, he ditched that eye. Sometime, before or after the Uchiha clan massacre, Orochimaru gave Hashi DNA to both Danzo AND Tobi. Since he had gotten the Hashi DNA, now he wanted Shisui's left eye from Danzo so he could use KA at its full potential. This is probably why he was pissed because Danzo crushed dat bitch.

Shisui probably unlocked MS sometime between Obito's death and his fight with Ao. I don't remember if you brought it up, but Obito's death could be the reason as to why he unlocked MS.

Anyways, what I'm saying is, Tobi only became interested in Shisui's eye AFTER he gained the Senju cells from Orochimaru. He probably didn't confront Danzo in the time between he gained the Senju cells and the Danzo/Sasuke because it was either too risky or because of the deal he made with Itachi.

So basically,

-Tobi had KA and used it on Yagura
-Tobi ditched that eye.
-Tobi and Danzo gained Senju cells
-Tobi then became really interested in Danzo's right eye that housed KA

Simple enough right?

 

[Legendary Broly]

lol I like how you defended your theory but........you still didnt explain why he didnt take Itachi's eyes? You said because they werent made into EMS yet but according to you Tobi had the MS so according to Manga MS+MS= EMS! SO y didnt he take Itachi's MS because with his MS he would of made an EMS since you said Tobi has MS. SO why didnt he get iEMS from Itachi because wouldnt 2 MS do the same for him as it did for Sasuke? Giving him the EMS?? SO why didnt he accomplish his life long dream and take itachi's MS??

I will tell you. Because he obviously didnt need Itachi's MS because he doesnt need EMS since he has the advanced version of it. Rinnegan. The fact that he didnt take Itachi's MS makes your theory weak already.

2. RIn wont help him get MS nor would killing her that doesnt make any sense but I would let it slide and say its a weak theory XD.

3. I am not assuming Tobi doesnt have MS and I am not assuming he has s/t ninjutsu. Im just stating that he couldnt be spamming MS like that to dodge tiny weapons which you said he was using MS to do. He would of gone blind by now unless maybe he had EMS which you said he doesnt.

All in all even though Im makning it look like a weak theory your theory was well thought out of but I am just pointing out flaws like you said to do.

1. MS + MS has to be brothers MS + MS ! U_U
You are getting pretty cocky here bro
Tobi can't just add Itachi's MS to his own it wont go EMS it has to be your bros ! :flaw:
That is why sasuke evolves the eye into EMS then Tobi takes it xd

2. What ever bro I already said what I could :scorps:
If you choose to hear it you can , but obviously not xd

3. Well I did say that Senju DNA could somehow enhance the eyes vision to last longer much like it enhances Shisui's KA making it like reload faster
Also yeah but it has just been proven that Tobi's S/T is one jutsu ! :shrug:
And it is from the eye ! xd

And thanks bro xd
But you aren't killing it completely, you have some strong points I'll give you that

Alright man, I have one more connection that I think I found and then I'll tie it all up together.

Alright first, I believe Tobi actually had KA and he used it on Yagura. He probably didn't have Senju/Hashi cells at this point so of course he had the ten year drawback as well. So after he used it once, he ditched that eye. Sometime, before or after the Uchiha clan massacre, Orochimaru gave Hashi DNA to both Danzo AND Tobi. Since he had gotten the Hashi DNA, now he wanted Shisui's left eye from Danzo so he could use KA at its full potential. This is probably why he was pissed because Danzo crushed dat bitch.

Shisui probably unlocked MS sometime between Obito's death and his fight with Ao. I don't remember if you brought it up, but Obito's death could be the reason as to why he unlocked MS.

Anyways, what I'm saying is, Tobi only became interested in Shisui's eye AFTER he gained the Senju cells from Orochimaru. He probably didn't confront Danzo in the time between he gained the Senju cells and the Danzo/Sasuke because it was either too risky or because of the deal he made with Itachi.

So basically,

-Tobi had KA and used it on Yagura
-Tobi ditched that eye.
-Tobi and Danzo gained Senju cells
-Tobi then became really interested in Danzo's right eye that housed KA

Simple enough right?

Again with your theories ! awesome bro xd
I love it I wish people would rep+ you
The only thing is if he took Shisui's eye and gave it back that sounds weird I mean Shisui would of been like the faq :|
Ahaha I like the MS part though bro :y
And I like how you said he suddenly became interested !
Maybe he thought Shisui did destroy his own eyes when he confronted him like my theory says ? :O
He couldn't get EMS then and ditched the eye then went all crazy when he saw Danzou had it for EMS and for the full potential you were talking about ..

Hey what if KA can control the 10 tails ! O.O

 

[SilverSlick]

Just a curiosity... In the end, is Setsuna Uchiha a legit char.? Cause I've heard he is somehow invented over the forums...
I know he appears in a panel with the Uchihas but so are others and are not mentioned.
Is he in the Databooks or something?

Yeah he's in the databook. I'll get the manga page in just a sec. He's legit.

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Here's the page


EDIT: Why in the hell did Kishi even mention some of these characters?

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Its another Senju and another Uchiha! Toka and Hikaku.

 

[Legendary Broly]

Ao is not old & shisui is famous we don't know if it was a war or mission ao & shisui fought in itachi kakashi (superior talent at young ages ) & all ninjas fight young

Hanzo fought negato does that mean hanzo if alive would be in his 40's?

Shisui was around 15 16 at his death compare sasuke to itachi or izuna to madara because itachi looked up to him doesn't mean he was grown

Keep in mind shisui was the one of the most gifted so like itachi or the other 3 I named he got ms. young & recognition young

Hmm nice points xd

Dead at 15-16?
Maybe 18 imo

 

[SilverSlick]

Hmm nice points xd

Dead at 15-16?
Maybe 18 imo

Lol, have you heard about this guy?

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Is it possible that this was Setsuna's father and Fugaku's grandfather? He lived during the time of Madara and Izuna btw.

 

[KevinPJH]

Never use text

 

[Legendary Broly]

Lol, have you heard about this guy?

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Is it possible that this was Setsuna's father and Fugaku's grandfather? He lived during the time of Madara and Izuna btw.

I thought that person was a girl ! O.O
:rofl:
Hmm lets hear them good as theories

Never use text

And ergh .. what ? :|
Does this mean you liked the thread or hated it xd

 

[SilverSlick]

I thought that person was a girl ! O.O
:rofl:
Hmm lets hear them good as theories



And ergh .. what ? :|
Does this mean you liked the thread or hated it xd

Don't know much about him really. Though, interesting enough, the databook states he was the most gifted in his clan and was a very good leader. Weird thing is, he lived during the time of Madara and Hashirama. After the clan turned their back on Madara, Hikaku was probably the one to lead.