Super theory. inc- EMS, Shisui, Tobi stuff and more ?

[MetalDuck]

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[Hattake Ryuzaki]

dude i just got to point this out this is by far the best theory all monthxd

i agree

 

[AMIIIT]

There is a sticky thread for all Tobi ID threads. Rules are cool!

This one is too good, it needs it's own thread

 

[Shikamaru1994]

"Then he planned on taking Shisui's MS to make EMS with Obito's eye
However again a failed plan

Shisui catches on his eye is taken by Danzou - This is suspicious as how did Danzou manage to take his eye - Shisui is supposed to be OP"

I really liked your theory and I thought everything could possibly be correct, however, I don't think^^^ is correct. Danzo stole Shisui's eye because Shisui was going to KA to make sasuke's dad try to stop the impending war. Seeing as how it was too risky and against what Danzo wanted (which was for the uchiha clan to disappear), he took his eye away.

besides that, really nice theory here and +rep

 

[Legendary Broly]

dude i just got to point this out this is by far the best theory all monthxd

Thanks I want to rep+ you a million times over wease:

It's a great theory, really.

I see nothing that can be disproven, but a lot of it is speculation. It's logical speculation though, and this could happen. A lot of work was put into this and I agree on a lot of things. +rep

This also makes me wonder, how long will it take for Tobi's ID to be revealed? As in, how many chapters? The whole truth could last at least 6-8 chapters, hahahaha.

rep+ for you Captain xd
Yeah It might be as long as Kabuto's back story

NO WAY HE IS NOT OBITO ! He is Kagami ! xd



Wait..... how does kagami know Rin?

LOL well zetsu is spying on Obito right so therefore, he knows who Obito's friends are and informs Tobi
I say she is an easier picking then kakashi that is why he killed her xd

I actually went back and read the whole thing

LOL really ? I don't care rep+ for your contribution to this thread

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Really ?

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Luckily its not a Tobi ID theory
It is a super theory adding everything xd

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

This thread is pretty much all my random theories mashed into one thread
(CBF making multiple ones xd)
I am going to answer some common questions with my own theories , and probably end up asking some more questions :ghehe:

Btw I am pretty confident with my theories tbh So if anyone can find a hole in them well I'll rep+ you and you have the satisfaction of owning LssJBroly

Warning's before hand :

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-Includes some Tobi ID suggestions , it is the centre of all theories really, all theories are pretty much revolve round who he is U_U just give the thread a chance and you'll see what I mean :scorps:

What I am covering in the thread
The centre of the thread is an epic Uchiha Family Tree I have devised
It is this family tree that will help me answer the following :
-Why Tobi does not have EMS
-How Tobi got MS
-Shisui's suspicious death and where his body is
-One of Zetsu's puposes
- Why Tobi wants Sasuke

Also I will throw in some other theories like:
-How Tobi deceived Kisame into believing he was Madara
-How infinite Tsukuyomi works

There may be more as it comes to me :ghehe: anyway lets go xd

The Ultimate Uchiha Family Tree :

Izuna Uchiha

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is the dad of Kagami Uchiha

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who is the dad of Obito and Shisui Uchiha

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If you think about it this is a pretty bad ass family tree U_U
Izuna with his MS
Kagami who trained with Danzou and Hiruzen
Obito with his OP sharingan - Kamui & S/T
Shisui and KA
-They are resemble each other a bit imo

Anyway:
If Izuna is Kagami's dad - Kagami is Tobi - this explains a lot of things
Number 1 is why Tobi does not have EMS
Its obvious Tobi does not have EMS U_U
-Why would Tobi go and use other peoples rinnegan and not form his own ?

Why doesn't he ?
Well, regardless of who Tobi is - his age suggests he was born back in founding of Konoha era
In this time you'd expect Tobi to have a sibling especially because this was a time when the Uchiha clan were worshipping those with MS, EMS etc.
Why wouldn't you want this for your child - especially being a competitive Uchiha U_U

My theory:
Being Izuna's son , his dad died young which left him an only child and I am going to say an orphan (mum dies at child birth )
-Being an orphan also explains his path towards evil - see Kabuto and Sasori for example U_U
It also explains his connection to Madara : Read if you wish xd

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-Madara would be able to trust Kagami because of the family bond they have and would tell him all his plans , give the rinnegan e.g . ONLY FAMILY BOND ALSO
-He would initially follow Madara because of his dad's faith in him and sacrifice to him and also because he would want to follow the will of his dad and help Madara out
-Kagami would also be easily be swayed into following Madara's beliefs after being brought up in a war torn world and seeing that the Senju had not fixed anything - killed dada etc ..

Being an only child leaves tobi with no way to get EMS :T_T:
Unless ..
This brings me to Obito and Shisui
We know that Tobi is patient
So he has two kids in order for them to get EMS from one another xd
This is where Zetsu comes in xd
One of his initial purposes is to watch over them until they get EMS alerting Tobi who will retrieve the eyes
But ofcourse this happens U_U

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Ruining the plan

Zetsu alerts Tobi who tells Zetsu to retrieve the body then he takes his eye

Tobi getting MS :
Tobi tests out the eye's abilities which explains what happened to Rin

To unlock MS Tobi kills Rin
If you think about it Rin's disappearance is suspicious
Only an elite ninja should of been able to kill her or kidnap her as Minato and Kakashi were both keeping an especially close eye on her after Obito's death

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This points to Tobi who has entered the village undetected before or Zetsu who is named the Akatsuki spy for a reason

Shisui's suspicious death

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Is it just me or does the whole concept of Shisui just killing himself sound stupid ?
I say Tobi at once last attempt to get EMS approached Shisui
I believe he planned on using him much like he is using Sasuke - lead him on a bit - let him be a part of Akatsuki etc.
Then he planned on taking Shisui's MS to make EMS with Obito's eye
However again a failed plan U_U

Shisui catches on his eye is taken by Danzou - This is suspicious as how did Danzou manage to take his eye - Shisui is supposed to be OP U_U
I think Shisui forfeited it as he knew that it would be safe from Tobi with Danzou for a short while
He then gives his other eye to Itachi
He then confronts Tobi blind who kills him or takes him prisoner in his dimension explaining why no one could find Shisui's body

This brings me to Why Tobi wants Sasuke :
The plan failed twice for Tobi to get EMS so Tobi obviously wants Sasuke for his EMS
He plans on stealing it casting the infinite Tsukuyomi which I believe you need EMS for - eternal - infinite- etc..
That is how I think infinite Tsukuyomi works

Oh yeah and one last thing :
How Tobi deceived Kisame into believing he was Madara
Well being part zetsu :

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which me and a friend decided was because he is old to keep his body in knack - has its advantages other then this U_U

We know that Zetsu can take on the appearance of any one whose chakra he touches
Tobi can get hold of Madara's chakra easily imo
If the rinnegan is supposedly Madara's there is chakra there for example
Using the a similar technique to Zetsu's he manages to pull of being Madara through appearance and chakra etc .. :shrug:

Okay lol I see that theory is a weaker one

Anyway that is the end of my thread xd

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Is this you ^^^ U_U
Well here is a summary :
- Izuna is Kagami's dad who is Obito and Shisui's dad
-For Infinite Tsukuyomi you need EMS
-Tobi has Shisui's body or killed Shisui , he also killed Rin xd
-Tobi wants Sasuke for his EMS
-Tobi deceived Kisame using a similar technique as Zetsu does - copying appearance and chakra since he is part Zetsu

Any flaws ? point them out
Rep+ for all good comments and -rep for people who start saying 'didn't read' etc oh yeah and a slap

Thanks for reading if you did xd

first bold:legit
2nd:mind blown
3rd:yea..he did say that he was a shell of his former self..but idk why he dont use one of them eyes he got locked away for so long and use them and ms all of them or summin...picture how them ems would look if he fuses the ones he got locked up...

i tried to rep but they block me.....that fam tree is mind blowing

 

[AMIIIT]

LOL really ? I don't care rep+ for your contribution to this thread

Yeah the summary got me interested, so I wanted to read it in detail :y

 

[Nishio]

The one big whole is whether or not the family tree is accurate. Everything is based off of that. My problem is izuna is very old... could he be kagamis father? Kagami is most likely not older than tsunade who is the granddaughter or great grand of shodai. So kagami would be to young to be the son of izuna. And there's always the chance Tobi is not even an uchiha

 

[CLU]

Has anyone stopped to think that Tobi could actually be the guy that kidnapped Rin in the Gaiden arc. It would explain how he got Obito's sharingan. And after howw he got his butt handed to him by Obito and Kakashi, it would explain why he would have a grudge on the Uchihas and the leaf village. It would also explain why he doesnt have Susanoo or Amaterasu becausr he is not an uchiha. I bet a non uchiha can only reach Tobis and Kakashis level. It sounds farfetched but go back on the Gaiden arc, is there something similar about that hair tobi has and the kidnapper?

 

[Legendary Broly]

This one is too good, it needs it's own thread

wease: Thanks bro your're the best xd

"Then he planned on taking Shisui's MS to make EMS with Obito's eye
However again a failed plan

Shisui catches on his eye is taken by Danzou - This is suspicious as how did Danzou manage to take his eye - Shisui is supposed to be OP"

I really liked your theory and I thought everything could possibly be correct, however, I don't think^^^ is correct. Danzo stole Shisui's eye because Shisui was going to KA to make sasuke's dad try to stop the impending war. Seeing as how it was too risky and against what Danzo wanted (which was for the uchiha clan to disappear), he took his eye away.

besides that, really nice theory here and +rep

yeah but why did he just let Danzou take it ? That is what confuses me :T_T:

first bold:legit
2nd:mind blown
3rd:yea..he did say that he was a shell of his former self..but idk why he dont use one of them eyes he got locked away for so long and use them and ms all of them or summin...picture how them ems would look if he fuses the ones he got locked up...

i tried to rep but they block me.....that fam tree is mind blowing

Ahaha rep+ thanks bro xd
And maybe because the EMS he's get from Obito and Shisui would be OP as hell

Yeah the summary got me interested, so I wanted to read it in detail :y

Ahaha thanks bro , means a lot

 

[Colonel Armstrong]

nah...real sh!t though, no d!ck riding but this is the ultimate theory for real son...this ish is truly mind blowing.....with the rin, the missing body being in tobi demention...it could all be right and last hella chapters (right before sasuke met up with his bro they release like 5 small chapters that should have been really long they might do that with this theory if it comes true) great work bro

 

[Legendary Broly]

The one big whole is whether or not the family tree is accurate. Everything is based off of that. My problem is izuna is very old... could he be kagamis father? Kagami is most likely not older than tsunade who is the granddaughter or great grand of shodai. So kagami would be to young to be the son of izuna. And there's always the chance Tobi is not even an uchiha

No ..
If you think about it Kagami's older generation in Tobirama who is Hashirama's younger bro.
Izuna is Madara's younger bro so they are around the same age
So no it actually fits

Has anyone stopped to think that Tobi could actually be the guy that kidnapped Rin in the Gaiden arc. It would explain how he got Obito's sharingan. And after howw he got his butt handed to him by Obito and Kakashi, it would explain why he would have a grudge on the Uchihas and the leaf village. It would also explain why he doesnt have Susanoo or Amaterasu becausr he is not an uchiha. I bet a non uchiha can only reach Tobis and Kakashis level. It sounds farfetched but go back on the Gaiden arc, is there something similar about that hair tobi has and the kidnapper?

Hmm yeah but I am sure he died ?

 

[AmaniPaz]

This is actually an amazing theory man. Different to the usual ones. Good job, +rep

 

[Hattake Ryuzaki]

Has anyone stopped to think that Tobi could actually be the guy that kidnapped Rin in the Gaiden arc. It would explain how he got Obito's sharingan. And after howw he got his butt handed to him by Obito and Kakashi, it would explain why he would have a grudge on the Uchihas and the leaf village. It would also explain why he doesnt have Susanoo or Amaterasu becausr he is not an uchiha. I bet a non uchiha can only reach Tobis and Kakashis level. It sounds farfetched but go back on the Gaiden arc, is there something similar about that hair tobi has and the kidnapper?

kakashi killed him.....

 

[Legendary Broly]

nah...real sh!t though, no d!ck riding but this is the ultimate theory for real son...this ish is truly mind blowing.....with the rin, the missing body being in tobi demention...it could all be right and last hella chapters (right before sasuke met up with his bro they release like 5 small chapters that should have been really long they might do that with this theory if it comes true) great work bro

This is actually an amazing theory man. Different to the usual ones. Good job, +rep

Thanks guys
rep+
I'm glad you liked it

 

[sasuke721]

so a few things.

let's start with the cons:
for future reference, stick to black text. the color changes make some of it, especially yellow, hard to read. i think that the family tree you made is rather stretched. you said that most of them appear to have some resemblance but so do most members of the uchiha clan so that can't really be proof for you. however as stretched as i feel it sounds, there has been no mention of any of the mentioned individuals family's so it is possible.

Pros:
your theory does help explain why tobi is so interested in shisui's and obito's eyes in particular. obito didn't have the ms when he died so at the time it would have been a basic sharingan. it does seem like a lot of trouble to go through for an ordinary one, 2 tomoe at that. however skipping many years ahead it explains why tobi still uses that sharingan over all of the other ones that he seems to have in his collection as shown here:

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overall a good read. +rep

 

[Bigfoot34501]

The one big whole is whether or not the family tree is accurate. Everything is based off of that. My problem is izuna is very old... could he be kagamis father? Kagami is most likely not older than tsunade who is the granddaughter or great grand of shodai. So kagami would be to young to be the son of izuna. And there's always the chance Tobi is not even an uchiha

Yes the entire thing does hinge on whether or not this family tree exists. As I said in my comment, I don't think Izuna is Kagami's father, but I've made the same thread three times with proof about how Kagami, Obito, and Shisui are a family:

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I personally feel that the timeline, their techniques, their looks, and their other miscellaneous connections proves that they are in fact a family

 

[JIRAIYA perv]

wow xd, but bravo :worshippy: i can respect the effort

 

[Synister.]

I agree 100% with you great theory ill +rep when it lets me

 

[Tosen]

Great theory bro,I must say that I always thought that Obito and shisui looked similar somehow and if ur theory turns out to be true then it would make perfect sense .

+ rep