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After all these years I finally found the same video that coherently explains the fact that sun worship is at the base of most religions.
Have a look and tell me what you think about it.
Also a mentioning of Krishna around 27:00 .

Please don't reply if you haven't watched atleast 5 minutes.

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Pretty interesting only watched the first 5 minutes but interesting to learn that sun worshippers dont really see the sun as god but more so idol worship where they worship through it.

Also interesting that the Christian cross is derived from this worship of the sun.

Not a big surprise that the sun hold spiritual importance across the world think people for a long time realized its life sustaining qualities.
 
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Pretty interesting only watched the first 5 minutes but interesting to learn that sun worshippers dont really see the sun as god but more so idol worship where they worship through it.

Also interesting that the Christian cross is derived from this worship of the sun.

Not a big surprise that the sun hold spiritual importance across the world think people for a long time realized its life sustaining qualities.
Exactly. It also explains how the four gospels of the bible simply represents the seasons and that pass-over is just about the path of the sun.

One extra element to pass-over that wasn't addressed is the tradition of collecting eggs in nature.
This is very simply put the gathering of mushrooms for nourishment, medicine and psychedelic properties.

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After all these years I finally found the same video that coherently explains the fact that sun worship is at the base of most religions.
Have a look and tell me what you think about it.
Also a mentioning of Krishna around 27:00 .

Please don't reply if you haven't watched atleast 5 minutes.

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Of course there are some common concepts...Pick up a map and check the location of ancient civilization. And see which ones grew side by side and how wide their influences were. Including common gods and goddess and how many times the mythological stories traveled back and forth. And how far and wide Buddhism spread..

However where do these reaserchers go to find information about Hinduism or India related stuff and does that list really put "Buddha Sakia of India" on second there, claiming his story to be born of virgin mothern dying on cross and rising after three days? And does it say Indra of Tibet in the same list around number 9?
 

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Of course their are some common concepts...Pick up a map and check the location of ancient civilization. And see which ones grew side by side and how wide their influences were. Including common gods and goddess and how many times the mythological stories traveled back and forth. And how far and wide Buddhism spread..

However where do these reaserchers go to find information about Hinduism or India related stuff and does that list really put "Buddha Sakia of India" on second there, claiming his story to be born of virgin mothern dying on cross and rising after three days? And does it say Indra of Tibet in the same list around number 9?
You read that correct. Buddha and Indra are part of the list. Regarding Indra, I don't know why. That deity would share some similarities with Thor and perhaps some other indo-european deities.

Regarding Buddha: "None of the Buddhist texts state that Siddhārtha Gautama's mother was a virgin. It is only in the Mahāvastu and Lalitavistara of the Mahāyāna traditions which explicitly state that there was no carnal act involved for the Buddha to be conceived. "

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You read that correct. Buddha and Indra are part of the list. Regarding Indra, I don't know why. That deity would share some similarities with Thor and perhaps some other indo-european deities.

Regarding Buddha: "None of the Buddhist texts state that Siddhārtha Gautama's mother was a virgin. It is only in the Mahāvastu and Lalitavistara of the Mahāyāna traditions which explicitly state that there was no carnal act involved for the Buddha to be conceived. "

Thoughts?
Now I read it I faintly recall having come across it before. What I think? Obviously, whoever wrote that was trying to make some fantastic story to compete with older Hindu stories where they claim sons from divine entity. Like Karna being son of the Surya aka Sun. Later Kunti evoked Indra and became mother of Arjun. In fact all five Pandavas were son of some deity.
So the writer of this particular Buddhist text decided to add some supernormal to Buddha and decided for virgin birth theory. You will find more similarities between Buddhism and Christianity.

Indra and the sun God Aditya are different in later Vedic age and since but he might have overlapped with Surya for a time according to some but it's debated. He was much widely known entity it seems. Wikipedia mentions Indra as a deity had a presence in northeastern Asia minor, as evidenced by the inscriptions on the Boghaz-köi clay tablets dated to about 1400 BCE. That Indra and his fellow deities were in vogue in South Asia and Asia minor by about mid 2nd-millennium BCE..

A lot of deities and concepts went around. As for sun worship, as far as Hinduism is concerned it's still a thing even though most of the sun temples were destroyed in past 1000 years.
 

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Now I read it I faintly recall having come across it before. What I think? Obviously, whoever wrote that was trying to make some fantastic story to compete with older Hindu stories where they claim sons from divine entity. Like Karna being son of the Surya aka Sun. Later Kunti evoked Indra and became mother of Arjun. In fact all five Pandavas were son of some deity.
So the writer of this particular Buddhist text decided to add some supernormal to Buddha and decided for virgin birth theory. You will find more similarities between Buddhism and Christianity.

Indra and the sun God Aditya are different in later Vedic age and since but he might have overlapped with Surya for a time according to some but it's debated. He was much widely known entity it seems. Wikipedia mentions Indra as a deity had a presence in northeastern Asia minor, as evidenced by the inscriptions on the Boghaz-köi clay tablets dated to about 1400 BCE. That Indra and his fellow deities were in vogue in South Asia and Asia minor by about mid 2nd-millennium BCE..

A lot of deities and concepts went around. As for sun worship, as far as Hinduism is concerned it's still a thing even though most of the sun temples were destroyed in past 1000 years.
Sun worship seems to be at the core of many ancient cultures and scripts.

So, what do you think of the notion that the supposed New world religion the rulers have planned for us is really already in existence since the start of the catholic church? The word 'catholic' meaning 'all-embracing'.

Jordan Maxwell mentioned that the reason why there are so many traces of different pagan traditions and religions of distant lands is because the people would be easier to rule if there were elements of every belief systems known at the time.
 

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Sun worship seems to be at the core of many ancient cultures and scripts.

So, what do you think of the notion that the supposed New world religion the rulers have planned for us is really already in existence since the start of the catholic church? The word 'catholic' meaning 'all-embracing'.
Huh? Why we need a world religion? What does it even mean?

Jordan Maxwell mentioned that the reason why there are so many traces of different pagan traditions and religions of distant lands is because the people would be easier to rule if there were elements of every belief systems known at the time.
That's over thinking...

As I said pick up the map and from what region these ideas are coming from. I hate the wording but due to lack of better description, but ready recognition of geographical region it goes back to Indo Aryan branches.

We noted that Indra as a deity had a presence in northeastern Asia minor, as evidenced by the inscriptions on the Boghaz-köi clay tablets dated to about 1400 BCE .. clay also mentions Mithra and two other entities.

Now Mithra was a vedic deity too, but, with time, he lost his importance as a deity in Indian branch. Today Mithra in Sanskrit/HIndi or most-India languages means "friend" and people do not even remember that the word also referred to a deity once. His benevolent/friendly aspect is still there, but that's all that survived. But in Iranian branch he remained an important deity till much later as you see even in the Asia Minor clay tablets. Similarly roles and attributes of some gods changed over time or were merged in to one or the other. God hood and stories evolve all the time.

Then came Zorostrians - they were among the ones to talk about single god supremacy and thus classified as monotheist
Ahura= Asura. S has been replaced with H many times in their script.

Zoroastrians did come out of older common culture and influenced Christianity later on. Sorry if it offends some of of the readers from here but seriously when people are talking about true and false gods and powerful demons or evil but powerful supernatural entities - they are actually still on the same boat of old tribal idea of "my god is the best god above others" and everyone else needs to be put down. And they are afraid to speak against him for fear of hell. They do not really believe in there being only one supernatural entity who is really unbiased fair, benevolent if it's also demands appeasement and adoration. This always been a major point of conflict and Elst has given an interesting theory on it.

If ancient sources, both internal and external, are lacking in testimonies of Mazdeism denouncing god-pluralism, whence then has the notion arisen that Zarathustra was a kind of Moses smashing the false gods? This hypothesis was deduced from the well-attested rejection by Zarathustra and his followers of a particular class of Indo-European and Vedic gods, the Daeva-s (= Sanskrit Deva). Not only had he abolished their worship, he had at once turned them into demons. Daemon est deus inversus, “a demon is a god turned upside down”. In particular they demonized the champion of the gods, the thunder-god Indra, renaming him as Angra Mainyu, “destructive spirit”. (Given the naïve fascination of our ancestors with the traps of language and the consequent abundance of puns in their religious texts, we may surmise an allusion here to Angiras, name of the Devas- and Indra-worshipping Vedic priestly clan.) This process of inverting a god into a demon greatly resembled the Judeo-Christian rejection of the Pagan gods and the transformation of the Horned God (Ba’al, Shiva, Cernunnos) into the Devil.

However, this rejection of particular Indo-Iranian gods was not a rejection of god-pluralism per se. In many Indo-European pantheons, we find several distinct categories of divine beings, e.g. the Gods and the Titans in Greece; the Aesir, Vanir and giants in the Germanic world; the Deva-s and Asura-s in the younger parts of the Veda-s. In the oldest Vedic phase, the terms seem to have been interchangeable. The term Asura had no negative or demonic connotation yet, nor was there a notion of a Devāsurasangram, a “conflagration of gods and demons”.

But then a conflict arose between the Vedic Indians and the Iranian tribes. Two highlights are decribed in the Rg-Veda: the Battle of the Ten Kings (7:5 and 7:18), named after the western alliance facing the Saraswati-based Vedic king Sudās, and a few generations later the Vārsāgira Battle (4:15 and 1:122:13), named after the patronymic of its commanders on the Vedic side. In the latter battle, one of the enemy (and allegedly defeated) kings is called Istāśva, the Sanskrit equivalent of Vištāspa, the royal patron of Zarathustra. It is highly plausible that the emerging opposition between Devas and Asuras, with the former worshipped and the latter demonized by the Indians and the latter worshipped but the former demonized by the Iranians, finds its origin in this war. Thus, we can imagine that both sides invoked the storm-god Indra before the battle, but that he awarded victory to only the Indian side. The Iranian side, instead of looking for an explanation for their defeat in their own ritual or ethical shortcomings (as religious people tend to do), squarely blamed Indra and broke off their relationship with him. This way, a mundane event led to a whole theological construction of an enmity between two classes of gods, and ultimately to the dualism of cosmic good and evil that has been deemed distinctive of Mazdeism for most of its history.

To sum up, it has been the received wisdom for over a century now that Mazdeism started as a monotheistic revolt against polytheism. This impression sprang from the spirit of the times, with the fledgling science of comparative religion working from the assumption of monotheism’s superiority and generously trying to find as much of it as possible in exotic religions. The number of competent scholars who could critically rethink this common opinion was just too small, so misconceptions once accepted took long to get abandoned. Today, however, there is no excuse anymore for inertially holding on to this distorted understanding of Mazdeism. Ahura Mazda clearly had a supreme status, but among a crowd of other gods.

 

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Huh? Why we need a world religion? What does it even mean?



That's over thinking...

As I said pick up the map and from what region these ideas are coming from. I hate the wording but due to lack of better description, but ready recognition of geographical region it goes back to Indo Aryan branches.

We noted that Indra as a deity had a presence in northeastern Asia minor, as evidenced by the inscriptions on the Boghaz-köi clay tablets dated to about 1400 BCE .. clay also mentions Mithra and two other entities.

Now Mithra was a vedic deity too, but, with time, he lost his importance as a deity in Indian branch. Today Mithra in Sanskrit/HIndi/ Most Indian languages means "friend" and most do not even remember that the word also referred to a deity once. His benevolent/friendly aspect is still there, but that's all that survived culturally. But in Iranian branch he remained an important deity till much later as you see even in the Asia Minor clay tablets. Similarly roles and attributes of some gods changed over time or were merged in to one or the other. God hood and stories evolve all the time.

Then came Zorostrians - they were among the ones to talk about single god supremacy and thus classified as monotheist
Ahura= Asura. S has been replaced with H many times in their script.

Zoroastrians did come out of older common culture and influenced Christianity later on. Sorry if it offends some of of the readers from here but seriously when people are talking about true and false gods and powerful demons or evil but powerful supernatural entities - they are actually still on the same boat of old tribal idea of "my god is the best god above others" and everyone else needs to be put down. And they are afraid to speak against him for fear of hell. They do not really believe in there being only one supernatural entity who is really unbiased fair, benevolent if it's also demands appeasement and adoration. This always been a major point of conflict and Elst has given an interesting theory on it.

If ancient sources, both internal and external, are lacking in testimonies of Mazdeism denouncing god-pluralism, whence then has the notion arisen that Zarathustra was a kind of Moses smashing the false gods? This hypothesis was deduced from the well-attested rejection by Zarathustra and his followers of a particular class of Indo-European and Vedic gods, the Daeva-s (= Sanskrit Deva). Not only had he abolished their worship, he had at once turned them into demons. Daemon est deus inversus, “a demon is a god turned upside down”. In particular they demonized the champion of the gods, the thunder-god Indra, renaming him as Angra Mainyu, “destructive spirit”. (Given the naïve fascination of our ancestors with the traps of language and the consequent abundance of puns in their religious texts, we may surmise an allusion here to Angiras, name of the Devas- and Indra-worshipping Vedic priestly clan.) This process of inverting a god into a demon greatly resembled the Judeo-Christian rejection of the Pagan gods and the transformation of the Horned God (Ba’al, Shiva, Cernunnos) into the Devil.

However, this rejection of particular Indo-Iranian gods was not a rejection of god-pluralism per se. In many Indo-European pantheons, we find several distinct categories of divine beings, e.g. the Gods and the Titans in Greece; the Aesir, Vanir and giants in the Germanic world; the Deva-s and Asura-s in the younger parts of the Veda-s. In the oldest Vedic phase, the terms seem to have been interchangeable. The term Asura had no negative or demonic connotation yet, nor was there a notion of a Devāsurasangram, a “conflagration of gods and demons”.

But then a conflict arose between the Vedic Indians and the Iranian tribes. Two highlights are decribed in the Rg-Veda: the Battle of the Ten Kings (7:5 and 7:18), named after the western alliance facing the Saraswati-based Vedic king Sudās, and a few generations later the Vārsāgira Battle (4:15 and 1:122:13), named after the patronymic of its commanders on the Vedic side. In the latter battle, one of the enemy (and allegedly defeated) kings is called Istāśva, the Sanskrit equivalent of Vištāspa, the royal patron of Zarathustra. It is highly plausible that the emerging opposition between Devas and Asuras, with the former worshipped and the latter demonized by the Indians and the latter worshipped but the former demonized by the Iranians, finds its origin in this war. Thus, we can imagine that both sides invoked the storm-god Indra before the battle, but that he awarded victory to only the Indian side. The Iranian side, instead of looking for an explanation for their defeat in their own ritual or ethical shortcomings (as religious people tend to do), squarely blamed Indra and broke off their relationship with him. This way, a mundane event led to a whole theological construction of an enmity between two classes of gods, and ultimately to the dualism of cosmic good and evil that has been deemed distinctive of Mazdeism for most of its history.

To sum up, it has been the received wisdom for over a century now that Mazdeism started as a monotheistic revolt against polytheism. This impression sprang from the spirit of the times, with the fledgling science of comparative religion working from the assumption of monotheism’s superiority and generously trying to find as much of it as possible in exotic religions. The number of competent scholars who could critically rethink this common opinion was just too small, so misconceptions once accepted took long to get abandoned. Today, however, there is no excuse anymore for inertially holding on to this distorted understanding of Mazdeism. Ahura Mazda clearly had a supreme status, but among a crowd of other gods.

Are you not aware of the NWO idea to implement a one world religion? Most people think its happening in our not-so distant future whereas Jordan Maxwell claimed that Catholicism was formed by assimilating all sorts of pagan traditions and elements of other religions as a means to unify differing cultures into one melting pot; The reason for this being that its harder to control a people that are divided amongst each other in terms of belief and customs. And thats how the Catholic church cunningly paved their way to absolute power. The base of their customs revolves around sunworship too, which is a front.

Jesus is just a runner up of Helios and Mithra, as they're all sungods or, more accurately; depictions of the sun and the life and light it brings at their own respective periods in history.

Perhaps you should rewatch the video, starting off at exactly 18:00 where Jordan speaks of the unified religion being 'Catholicism' which literally translates to 'all-encompassing' or 'universal'.


I only ever met one Zoroastrianism practicioner. It also upholds sun worship, facing the sun during prayers for example.

Edit: Other writers/Historians point out that people, under the threat of the Catholic banner, wanted to protect their knowledge regarding psychedelic mushrooms and vegetation by encrypting it into a story that correlated with sunworship. The life giving light of the sun became a front for the internal spiritual light that one could reach by consuming the "flesh and blood" of jesus 'mushrooms and wines/beers spiked with psychedelics.

It sounds a little far-fetched at first but these writers go in great detail. I just made a quick summary.

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Are you not aware of the NWO idea to implement a one world religion? Most people think its happening in our not-so distant future whereas Jordan Maxwell claimed that Catholicism was formed by assimilating all sorts of pagan traditions and elements of other religions as a means to unify differing cultures into one melting pot; The reason for this being that its harder to control a people that are divided amongst each other in terms of belief and customs. And thats how the Catholic church cunningly paved their way to absolute power. The base of their customs revolves around sunworship too, which is a front.
ohh Isn't that just religious imperialism and every proselytizer's dream? Seeking to prevail all over and establish their rule and ending all others?

To say it's to " The reason for this being that it's harder to control a people that are divided amongst each other in terms of belief and customs", maybe one of the reasons of political support but it is to selling it short to see it as only that.
It's also to do with good old colonization, expansionism and prevailing over everyone, making everyone accept your icon and culture as their own and establish your superiority. And of course religion as a business. There is money to be made. Getting tithe, donations...

I only ever met one Zoroastrianism practicioner. It also upholds sun worship, facing the sun during prayers for example.
Well yeah, we already established that Sun was one of the oldest deities worshiped all over. People did realize it's importance in existence of life on the Earth. I was referring to the your old query of why western religions have so many Indo Aryan themes in it that everything seem to go back to Hinduism. And how and when the whole concept of true and false gods or demonizing of others, developed overtime.

Other writers/Historians point out that people, under the threat of the Catholic banner, wanted to protect their knowledge regarding psychedelic mushrooms and vegetation by encrypting it into a story that correlated with sunworship. The life giving light of the sun became a front for the internal spiritual light that one could reach by consuming the "flesh and blood" of jesus 'mushrooms and wines/beers spiked with psychedelics.
The idea of blood and flesh might have been coming from good old sacrificial rituals of the old? Sharing sacrificed animal's blood and flesh replaced by symbolic blood and flesh of Christ?
 

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Sorry for the late reply, I wasn't in the mood.

Fair point regarding the claim of Catholicism being the one world religion. My initial thought was that this
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was the covertly introduced one world doctrine but Maxwell's claim piqued my interest.

What are your thoughts on this statement: "The word 'Iran' is a corrupted version of the word 'Aryan'. "

Reading up on Zoroastrian's roots it also seems to just be another wandered off branch of Hinduism.

@Your last paragraph: It could be the case but sacrificial rituals are, in my viewpoint, often a corrupted version of an older, more alligned situation. For example, the nonsensical christmas tradition having it roots in a simple winter solstice ritual where psychedelics were consumed to allign spirit with mother earth.

In this case, Jesus's "flesh and blood"..as retarded as it sounds, if you take into consideration the possibility that the symbol of christ used to be that of a psychedelic fungi, tree root, leave, or seed, it starts to make more sense. Especially when you hear the detailed explanation from Moraresku in this vid.
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Brian Moraresku, with a degree of greek, latin and sanskrit does a great job explaining my point in a fast pace.
 
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Revelation 3:14 Jesus calls himself by the name of Amen Amen Ra, is the name of the Egyptian Sun God
Matthew 2:15 Joseph takes Mary and Jesus to Egypt, to fulfill the prophecy, out of Egypt I have called my Son.
Matthew 9:15 Jesus calls himself the Bridegroom Psalm 19 4:5, says the Sun is as a Bridegroom
In September the Sun is born out of the constellation Virgo, the Virgin. Jesus is born of a virgin.
In November/December the Sun falls to the south near Crux the Southern Cross. Jesus is crucified.
December 22,23,24 the winter solstice, the Sun is entombed 3 days and 3 nights. Jesus is in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights.
December 25th, the Sun is reborn out of the winter solstice Jesus birth is celebrated on December 25th
Thirty days after December 25th the Sun enters the sign of the waterman, Aquarius Thirty years after his birth Jesus enters the water of the waterman, John the Baptist.
The Sun enters the sign of the fish, Pisces Jesus selects his disciples from among the fishermen. Jesus feeds the multitudes, with 2 fish.
The Sun enters the sign of the lamb Aries that takes away the cold of the winter. Jesus becomes the lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world
In the Northern Hemisphere the Sun moves to the right side of Eastern Sky and summer comes The movement across the vernal equinox is called celestial right ascension.
MsMark Jesus ascends into heaven to sit at the right hand of the father The Sun concludes its journey in the sign of Leo the lion In Revelation Jesus concludes his ministry as the Lion of Judah
When Jesus is crucified there is an eclipse of the Sun There is creations beautiful plan. The Sun must go through the cross in the Southern Hemisphere, so it may rise to the right side in the Northern Hemisphere and bring forth the spring and all that is new. And we must allow the solar plexus energy (the place of the Sun within our bodies) to be crucified in meditation, so that it will rise to the right hemisphere of the brain and bring forth the springtime of our soul, with all that is new. If the Jesus in you which represents the physical part, is allowed to die in meditation when you separate from thought, then the Christ in you will arise from the lower tomb and sit at the right hemisphere of the brain and all things will become new. Remember, the crucifixion happens on Golgotha, which means skull. Jesus is the pineal at the center of your forehead, and the two thieves are your two eyes, on either side. Is it all a coincidence? Or is it the most beautiful truth of salvation that religion has never understood?
 
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Sorry for the late reply, I wasn't in the mood.

Fair point regarding the claim of Catholicism being the one world religion. My initial thought was that this
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was the covertly introduced one world doctrine but Maxwell's claim piqued my interest.
But that's just a fantasy... Not even the land of that god is going to acknowledge him today. At best they may agree that some later doctrine demonized him and that he was once a deity or maybe even a sun god. People outside of that culture have even less reason to start following him. They have their own gods rooted in their own culture, if they want. We have so many different views and faiths because we all think differently and want different type of icons too. There is no reason for them all to believe in just one concept.

If there would be ever a single religion it would be one of the organized religion. For they spread systematically and have social, political and economic support for running there system. They may even succeed and kill/replace all other existing beliefs and cultures. But even they would eventually divide in different type of churches or what ever sects again. Because as human being we think and develop our own thoughts sooner or later. You cannot stop all the people from thinking, all the time and still make progress.

What are your thoughts on this statement: "The word 'Iran' is a corrupted version of the word 'Aryan'. "

Reading up on Zoroastrian's roots it also seems to just be another wandered off branch of Hinduism.

@Your last paragraph: It could be the case but sacrificial rituals are, in my viewpoint, often a corrupted version of an older, more alligned situation. For example, the nonsensical christmas tradition having it roots in a simple winter solstice ritual where psychedelics were consumed to allign spirit with mother earth.

In this case, Jesus's "flesh and blood"..as retarded as it sounds, if you take into consideration the possibility that the symbol of christ used to be that of a psychedelic fungi, tree root, leave, or seed, it starts to make more sense. Especially when you hear the detailed explanation from Moraresku in this vid.
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Brian Moraresku, with a degree of greek, latin and sanskrit does a great job explaining my point in a fast pace.
Remnant of actual animal sacrifice ritual and sharing the feast seems more logical to me because of the wording "flesh and blood". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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