Suicide-worthy circumstances?

[Jack Spicer]

This.
Also, I don't blame people if they commit suicide. Of course it is sad, but every person is unique and sees things in his/her unique way, so we can't understand their situation completely. Everyone has the right to end his own live, as long as they don't take others with them.

Agree with this.

Every person is different. Suicide is when people truly lose hope. From an outside perspective, we can say "Oh, that situation didn't call for it," but that is from our perspective, not the person who has given up hope. We can try to help that person if we know them and hopefully convince them things will be better, but sometimes, no matter the situation, people can't be pulled out from that darkness. They can't envision a world where things get better. That is sad to think about, honestly. I've been lucky to have people pull me out before I get any deeper in that darkness, but it is a two way street. You need to want to live because you have hope, but when you can't find that reason, then that to me is a "worthy" reason. I don't like using worthy either. Suicide isn't something you earn. It's a tragedy. It is absolutely heartbreaking to know someone has been beaten so badly by this world that they want out of it. Depression is one of, if not the biggest monster out there.

Final words. We, the friends and family of someone who is suicidal, should never, ever give up hope and try to pull them out of that state of mind, but do not mock them or call them weak for doing what they did if they do it. We aren't in their shoes. We don't have their mind or their thoughts. At the end of the day, we really just should try to be the best we can be to others and to ourselves. Hopefully is the word here. We just need to make sure people never lose hope, that they know how important they are. Sometimes people only have themselves that care for them, but they keep moving forward. They are blessed to have that hope, but some do not. To those who aren't alone, always be there for them. If someone is down, pick them up. If someone is happy, pick them up. The world is full of masks and we never know what is really happening. Who knows what will happen? Maybe you will prevent something as tragic as a suicide happening. Hopefully, we can be the Max to their Kate. Hopefully.

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Agree with this.

Every person is different. Suicide is when people truly lose hope. From an outside perspective, we can say "Oh, that situation didn't call for it," but that is from our perspective, not the person who has given up hope. We can try to help that person if we know them and hopefully convince them things will be better, but sometimes, no matter the situation, people can't be pulled out from that darkness. They can't envision a world where things get better. That is sad to think about, honestly. I've been lucky to have people pull me out before I get any deeper in that darkness, but it is a two way street. You need to want to live because you have hope, but when you can't find that reason, then that to me is a "worthy" reason. I don't like using worthy either. Suicide isn't something you earn. It's a tragedy. It is absolutely heartbreaking to know someone has been beaten so badly by this world that they want out of it. Depression is one of, if not the biggest monster out there.

Final words. We, the friends and family of someone who is suicidal, should never, ever give up hope and try to pull them out of that state of mind, but do not mock them or call them weak for doing what they did if they do it. We aren't in their shoes. We don't have their mind or their thoughts. At the end of the day, we really just should try to be the best we can be to others and to ourselves. Hopefully is the word here. We just need to make sure people never lose hope, that they know how important they are. Sometimes people only have themselves that care for them, but they keep moving forward. They are blessed to have that hope, but some do not. To those who aren't alone, always be there for them. If someone is down, pick them up. If someone is happy, pick them up. The world is full of masks and we never know what is really happening. Who knows what will happen? Maybe you will prevent something as tragic as a suicide happening. Hopefully, we can be the Max to their Kate. Hopefully.

Wow. Beautiful post, man. Especially like the bold.
And I'm glad to hear (or read) that you had people save you before falling too low.
Also, sorry for the word "worthy". My choice of words is really poor today.

You are really disrespectful. You seem to have no idea what a hopeless situation is.
Let me ask you something.

Did you ever experience a cruel disease in your family, for example cancer? Did you ever share your daily life with a person that is incurable sick, a person that almost can't make it through the day even with the highest possible dose of morphine to reduce the overall pain in the body a tiny bit? If that was the case, you wouldn't talk about this topic in a way like this.

I experienced that.
My father had cancer with metastases in almost every single organ and within the bones. I've seen him crying out of pain while begging to die. He couldn't walk, he couldn't eat. He couldn't go to the toilet or even take a bath. He lost his ability to speak or to remember the easiest things. His last one and a half years consisted only of pain, fear, desperation and suffering.

Don't you think a person in this situation should have the right to avoid all this in order to end his/her life with dignity? Absolutely.
You talk about "bringing sorrow to the family", but the truth is, his suffering was what brought sorrow to himself and the rest of my family. If I ever end up in a similar situation, I will end my life before it becomes such a disaster.

Living just for the sake of being alive or to "please the family", that is just ignorance.

Don't worry, KonanX, I completely share your thoughts.
Hope you and your father had an awesome relationship.
And even though you're not so opposed to suicide, I hope that you've never and will never seriously consider committing it.

 

[Lelouch Le Brittania]

Agree with this.

Every person is different. Suicide is when people truly lose hope. From an outside perspective, we can say "Oh, that situation didn't call for it," but that is from our perspective, not the person who has given up hope. We can try to help that person if we know them and hopefully convince them things will be better, but sometimes, no matter the situation, people can't be pulled out from that darkness. They can't envision a world where things get better. That is sad to think about, honestly. I've been lucky to have people pull me out before I get any deeper in that darkness, but it is a two way street. You need to want to live because you have hope, but when you can't find that reason, then that to me is a "worthy" reason. I don't like using worthy either. Suicide isn't something you earn. It's a tragedy. It is absolutely heartbreaking to know someone has been beaten so badly by this world that they want out of it. Depression is one of, if not the biggest monster out there.

Final words. We, the friends and family of someone who is suicidal, should never, ever give up hope and try to pull them out of that state of mind, but do not mock them or call them weak for doing what they did if they do it. We aren't in their shoes. We don't have their mind or their thoughts. At the end of the day, we really just should try to be the best we can be to others and to ourselves. Hopefully is the word here. We just need to make sure people never lose hope, that they know how important they are. Sometimes people only have themselves that care for them, but they keep moving forward. They are blessed to have that hope, but some do not. To those who aren't alone, always be there for them. If someone is down, pick them up. If someone is happy, pick them up. The world is full of masks and we never know what is really happening. Who knows what will happen? Maybe you will prevent something as tragic as a suicide happening. Hopefully, we can be the Max to their Kate. Hopefully.

That was the deepest thing I've ever heard you say Jack. Despite how goofy and lighthearted you appear you can be very profound and sensitive. Is your goofy persona just another mask you wear to conceal the deeper and more pensive side of you?

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Don't you think a person in this situation should have the right to avoid all this in order to end his/her life with dignity?

Dead people have no dignity, they're dead. The dignity that you are referring to is the one they had when they were alive, in which case they lose when they die, just like every human. Also anyone who thinks one loses some of their dignity while fighting a disease is a retard

Having said this, it by no means that that's an easy situation but still, people only ask for death when they lose the reason to live, so if losing his reason for living is what caused that person to do that, then that's all there it is to it. Suicide isn't something that needs to be justified, the man did that because he no longer wanted to feel pain, this is like torture and thus killing one's own life is tolerable in this case. People can do whatever they want with their lives, but none should except others to feel a certain way about someone because of their situation before suicide because if it was that normal to do so, then every human who had been in a struggle would have done it.

 

[Lelouch Le Brittania]

Dead people have no dignity, they're dead. The dignity that you are referring to is the one they had when they were alive, in which case they lose when they die, just like every human. Also anyone who thinks one loses some of their dignity while fighting a disease is a retard

Having said this, it by no means that that's an easy situation but still, people only ask for death when they lose the reason to live, so if losing his reason for living is what caused that person to do that, then that's all there it is to it. Suicide isn't something that needs to be justified, the man did that because he no longer wanted to feel pain, this is like torture and thus killing one's own life is tolerable in this case. People can do whatever they want with their lives, but none should except others to feel a certain way about someone because of their situation before suicide because if it was that normal to do so, then every human who had been in a struggle would have done it.

Considering how humans are evolutionarily programmed with the imperative to live (how else would we have survived as a viable species for millions of years), that explains why you see people who are suffering still clinging to life. Which means those who did commit suicide, must have been really suffering for them to override all biological and survival imperative and end their life. Suicide isn't something someone does because they're depressed; it's something someone does because they've been broken beyond repair or amelioration.

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Considering how humans are evolutionarily programmed with the imperative to live (how else would we have survived as a viable species for millions of years), that explains why you see people who are suffering still clinging to life. Which means those who did commit suicide, must have been really suffering for them to override all biological and survival imperative and end their life. Suicide isn't something someone does because they're depressed; it's something someone does because they've been broken beyond repair or amelioration.

survival instinct aren't made to be ultimate, people surpass them from time to time, otherwise a society wouldn't be. That's what makes us human, in theory, helping others voluntarily is biologically against that inclination yet people do it, hence extreme torment or affliction aren't necessary for one to commit it, even though those are not usually what cause it

 

[Power Bottom]

So many peoole have no idea what people go through in their life. How can anyone dare call somebody a coward. It is so ignorant and it pisses me off.


Suicide isn't black and white. Ughhhhjd

 

[GinkgoLeaf Girl]

What makes anyone think that they are qualified to decide for others whether or not the type and/or the amount of suffering someone experiences is legitimate/sufficient? Even if the circumstances happen to be a shared experience, people interpret, appraise and respond to stressors differently for a variety of reasons.

Suicide is a tragedy for everyone involved. Rather than point fingers or make insensitive remarks about how "stupid" and "cowardly" the person is/was for being suicidal (although such a response could very well stem from grief), being compassionate and helping the person build their self-esteem, coping strategies and support networks seems to be the more reasonable (and kinder) way to approach the issue. As for the terminally-ill person who freely expresses, without any coercion from another party, the desire for physician-assisted suicide, s/he should be offered such an option and should be able to make the decision without having to be judged by others.

 

[Jack Spicer]

That was the deepest thing I've ever heard you say Jack. Despite how goofy and lighthearted you appear you can be very profound and sensitive. Is your goofy persona just another mask you wear to conceal the deeper and more pensive side of you?

You're onto something. I will say this. The mask I'm wearing, the person you interact with on this forum, is me. Raw, uncensored me. In real life, I don't fit in with my religious, censor yourself family. I'm the outcast of my family from small interests to music or shows to big things like religion or equality. I never fit in at school before my final years of high school. My last two years of high school were with amazing friends. I was finally me. I'm currently 20, lost in life, and a misfit yet again. There is a reason Peter Pan is my favorite Disney story. I'm a lost boy at heart and NB is a version of Neverland for me. I'm Peter Pan flying above the stars here. I'm free and I love it. Maybe everything I said was really lame and super sappy, but that is true. I guess there is more than meets the eye to Jacko after all.

In other words...

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But at heart, deep down, I'm still Jacko

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

What makes anyone think that they are qualified to decide for others whether or not the type and/or the amount of suffering someone experiences is legitimate/sufficient? Even if the circumstances happen to be a shared experience, people interpret, appraise and respond to stressors differently for a variety of reasons.

Suicide is a tragedy for everyone involved. Rather than point fingers or make insensitive remarks about how "stupid" and "cowardly" the person is/was for being suicidal (although such a response could very well stem from grief), being compassionate and helping the person build their self-esteem, coping strategies and support networks seems to be the more reasonable (and kinder) way to approach the issue. As for the terminally-ill person who freely expresses, without any coercion from another party, the desire for physician-assisted suicide, s/he should be offered such an option and should be able to make the decision without having to be judged by others.

So many peoole have no idea what people go through in their life. How can anyone dare call somebody a coward. It is so ignorant and it pisses me off.


Suicide isn't black and white. Ughhhhjd

Sorry to the both of you. I now realize how stupid and insensitive my questions are. Didn't put much thought into this thread before creating it. It was pretty spontaneous :|

 

[Le0]

Lol so you think you the only one on this problem? Do you still have other family? Have friends? Or have you ever been kicked out of house? Have you left with like 50 dollar only to survive for month with whole family? Have you encaunter war where all your home is burn and destroyed? Are you the only one with family have cancer? Others has it worst and they didnt choose suicide as last attepmt. So dont accused others people ignorant if you still able to living and you still not at the bottom of the world yet!


It is painful and all but others people surviving and keep moving on. So act like you the only has it worst.

First of all, save that roflolmao somewhere else, it sounded pathetic and the response made you seem like a weak little slappable puss - no insult intended.
Secondly, so? Just because someone had it worse than another, it automatically rips their rights to feel sad and suicidal? You're different than her, she's different than me, I'm different than you - each person has their own limit and their own view on something. If I punched you in the face while I kicked her in the face, should I say "take it easy, little bītch, I kicked her harder than I punched you, you have no right to be angry"? She's had her own fair share of pain and tragedy, and there are many worse out there but the only thing that matters is she felt it enough to make her cry and feel sad - those who judged someone for their suicidal thoughts and attempts are failures who cannot understand the simple fact that everyone differs in mind, emotion and strength. The moment hope is lost then there is no point, the moment the pain is too deep for it to be removed is the moment point is lost, the moment you feel so empty, sad and hurt to the point death seems like a joyous escape for you is the moment suicidal is understandable - but that does not mean that the people in their surrounding should let it be, if it os avoidable then it is worth trying but if not then the least you can do is understand because if you cannot then I feel bad for you.

I don't accept suicide, I hate it and I find it sad but no way will I ever call someone a coward for doing what they think is right. People fail to understand that not many, if not no one, wants to be in a state where suicide is their final or only option.

Thirdly, reply once you've calmed down - think happy thoughts.

 

[loj]

You are really disrespectful. You seem to have no idea what a hopeless situation is.
Let me ask you something.

Did you ever experience a cruel disease in your family, for example cancer? Did you ever share your daily life with a person that is incurable sick, a person that almost can't make it through the day even with the highest possible dose of morphine to reduce the overall pain in the body a tiny bit? If that was the case, you wouldn't talk about this topic in a way like this.

I experienced that.
My father had cancer with metastases in almost every single organ and within the bones. I've seen him crying out of pain while begging to die. He couldn't walk, he couldn't eat. He couldn't go to the toilet or even take a bath. He lost his ability to speak or to remember the easiest things. His last one and a half years consisted only of pain, fear, desperation and suffering.

Don't you think a person in this situation should have the right to avoid all this in order to end his/her life with dignity?
You talk about "bringing sorrow to the family", but the truth is, his suffering was what brought sorrow to himself and the rest of my family. If I ever end up in a similar situation, I will end my life before it becomes such a disaster.

Living just for the sake of being alive or to "please the family", that is just ignorance.

And what? you would make things better by killing yourself? You are telling me that? I also had a similar experiance...my very close one killed herself.I still don't understand why... and seeing her family now is the worst.

Suicide is bunch of shit.People die day and day out...there are wars still,do people want to die? NO! they are doing whatever to survive they are in much worse pain and do they kill themselves? They are happy to be alive at this point.Life is something you tresure not something you want to throw away...

And Jesus...you honestly don't understand what motherly love is.You willing to kill yourself after something just shows how selfish you are.You think other people don't have the same situations or ever worse? Hah! I can't help but laugh how people even support suicide...

 

[Ryu Kishi]

I just recently heard a story about a young lady who had lung cancer and who had gone through many treatments but was still sick so she hanged herself she was only 30 something, I think I would have done the same thing

 

[Adam Driver]

I don't see any circumstance for someone to commit suicide unless they are on the verge of an agonizing death and suffering. To commit suicide because of some emotional distress or anything that's non physically harmful is pathetic in my opinion. Suicide should never be a solution to a problem.

 

[Yubel]

i think jumping from an already burning building like 9/11 is pretty ok. It's either burn to death or splat on the ground

Not really, just inhale the smoke enough times and you're dead before you can even get burned.

 

[Seventh Sama]

Being a member of dead naruto base.

 

[CrimsonReaper]

If a horde of zombies were to eat me alive...i'd do it.

 

[BlacLord™]

Dead people have no dignity, they're dead. The dignity that you are referring to is the one they had when they were alive, in which case they lose when they die, just like every human. Also anyone who thinks one loses some of their dignity while fighting a disease is a retard

Having said this, it by no means that that's an easy situation but still, people only ask for death when they lose the reason to live, so if losing his reason for living is what caused that person to do that, then that's all there it is to it. Suicide isn't something that needs to be justified, the man did that because he no longer wanted to feel pain, this is like torture and thus killing one's own life is tolerable in this case. People can do whatever they want with their lives, but none should except others to feel a certain way about someone because of their situation before suicide because if it was that normal to do so, then every human who had been in a struggle would have done it.

There is dignity in death itself, and the way in which you die will reflect on the memories of those who knew you. Being remembered as dying whilst wetting the bed because you're incontinent, or crying out to a nurse you call "mummy" because you're mind has degraded to the point you don't even know yourself, or being driven to death without any control so you end up shouting and pleading to be saved, are not dignified ends.

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

I can't have a say for others but personally i wouldn't try suicide and i've gone through hardships in life and in those times......they've been very tough i didn't knew what might happen or where should i go from there so i looked to the future ; how should i deal with it and how i want my life to be and most of the problems i had got them solved but there has always been new ones and i stiill do it hoping there's a good future ahead and working very hard to get there .

maybe not everyone has that strength maybe it was my luck that i was gifted with that inner strength to stand when i fell and push forward when it seems there's no hope so i just have to say to ones going through hardtimes or even going suicidel just don't give up just give life a one more chance maybe there's a good future for you as well if you give up now or sometime later you may never know what life has for you on it's stock .

and don't know if this look unrealistic or something just putting some pennies on you guys from my plate .

 

[Venomous Cobra]

There is dignity in death itself, and the way in which you die will reflect on the memories of those who knew you. Being remembered as dying whilst wetting the bed because you're incontinent, or crying out to a nurse you call "mummy" because you're mind has degraded to the point you don't even know yourself, or being driven to death without any control so you end up shouting and pleading to be saved, are not dignified ends.

dig·ni·ty
ˈdiɡnədē/
noun
the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect.

You can't have dignity in death, when you die, you life stops and your body stops function, your consciousness disappears and so does all of your qualities. You lose your dignity once you die, it becomes nothing but a memory, and if one is too busy thinking about they will be remembered after death then they still are connected to living. And again, anyone who thinks less of of someone's dignity because of a state which they entered because of a disease is a retard.