Suggestion: Restrictions on the Seven Ninja Swords of the Mist

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You got a point but i wanna try and obtain a sword too.How will that happen if some of the users are inactive.This way it will be easy for all those like me.
simple if members become inactive for period of time their swords are removed same thing i done with the naruto bio kyle had it and became inactive for a few months and hasnt been back since and so i removed it from him because its unfair considering only one wielder can have it so its same for the custom swords , but you cant steal the cannon swords they stick with the bios
 

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You got a point but i wanna try and obtain a sword too.How will that happen if some of the users are inactive.This way it will be easy for all those like me.
That doesn't make any sense at all. Just like it's possible that an owner of a custom sword can become inactive, an owner of a canon sword can become inactive. On top of that I'm against this, which means that every Zabuza/Suigetsu etc bio get by default their weapons, while this system completely limits that.

At this point if you make a Zabuza bio, you get his sword. In that system if you make a Zabuza bio you only get the sword if you pass a test or win a battle.
 

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I know but there is also a test.And I wasn't only talking about offline inactivnes.Also some mebers have already decidet their partners for the summer and others are just OP
 

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What about Muigetsu bios? We will be able to get him, right?
Not with the 7 swords. People assume that just because Suigetsu said that he mastered all the swords it means that he has/had all the swords in his possession and could them use at will. For several reasons that statement has a lot of flaws.

At this point a Mangetsu bio would be weaker than a Suigetsu bio as at least Suigetsu has a weapon, while Mangetsu hasn't. We don't know which sword he wielded, though it's assumed it's Hiramekarei.

I take it you were talking about Mangetsu, or did you mean Suigetsu? Considering you said Muigetsu.
 

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Not with the 7 swords. People assume that just because Suigetsu said that he mastered all the swords it means that he has/had all the swords in his possession and could them use at will. For several reasons that statement has a lot of flaws.

At this point a Mangetsu bio would be weaker than a Suigetsu bio as at least Suigetsu has a weapon, while Mangetsu hasn't. We don't know which sword he wielded, though it's assumed it's Hiramekarei.

I take it you were talking about Mangetsu, or did you mean Suigetsu? Considering you said Muigetsu.
Mangetsu, sorry.

There are 2 key facts on the Manga. The first, Suigetsu said he mastered all swords. The second, Mangetsu showed to have possession of a scroll that seals all swords.

Thus he has them, and has the skill to wield, why would he have no weapon?
 

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havn't read all 4 pages so if anyones already mentioned this sorry

about the shibuki...why is its only power to withstand explosions, what about setting off the tags on it did you not think any scale on what the damage from its attacks would be or what it could penetrate through?
 

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Mangetsu, sorry.

There are 2 key facts on the Manga. The first, Suigetsu said he mastered all swords. The second, Mangetsu showed to have possession of a scroll that seals all swords.

Thus he has them, and has the skill to wield, why would he have no weapon?
Both facts are too weak.

1) Mastering doesn't mean he actually had the swords. Each sword has its own individual fighting style. Suigetsu might as well meant that he mastered each fighting style, but that doesn't mean he actually had the swords. Especially with Samehada there are a lot of loose ends as Kisame took the sword from Fuguki and on top of that Samehada has a will of its own. The time frame doesn't match up as when was Mangetsu then the owner of Samehada? Before Fuguki? Together with Fuguki? None of those make much sense unless we got more information.

This argument is very weak.

2) That doesn't mean he owned the swords. It might by very well a scroll, just like the swords itself, that is passed down from generation to generation or just something that serves as a precaution of some sort. It's not because he had that scroll he actually stored the swords in there all the time. The ones he summoned might be very well stored there by Kabuto himself.

Again weak argument. No proof that he ever owned the swords. Which weapon would it be then? There's no proof he owned all the swords, so it will not be allowed. But which sword did he have then? It's assumed it's Hiramekarei, but even then there are some things that don't make sense.
 
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went back and read >.>

No.

Zen and I are already working on the canon 7SSM rules & restrictions and overall seen they don't need many and they will just be considered as normal bio's. When I made the custom 7SSM I already anticipated that at some point we were going to know all the swords. That's why I made them fully custom swords. The system for the custom swords does not work on the canon swords for the simple fact that, Mangetsu and Samehada bio's excluded, none of them are in the least OP. Not to mention it would create confusion between both canon and custom 7SSM.

It would just be stupid that a bio like Zabuza, which can be made by even a genin, shouldn't get his sword unless passed a bio test or needs to fight for the sword.

I'm completely against it. Too much trouble for nothing. We already have the custom 7SSM, no reason to restrict the canon's too while most of them aren't really anything special.
agreed.
Honestly alot of the stuff on NB has tests now, the test-req abilities are really powerful and deserve something to make sure total idiots don't get a hold of OP powers like pain and EMS, but i don't think any canon sword but samehada was really that strong that they'd tip battles one way or another, slap bomb tags on a sword you basicly get shibuki, zabuza's sword eats blood to fix itself (how often do you break your sword, then draw blood from your opponent and not win shortly after anyway? i don't see it much atleast) and the others might as well just be normal swords


simple if members become inactive for period of time their swords are removed same thing i done with the naruto bio kyle had it and became inactive for a few months and hasnt been back since and so i removed it from him because its unfair considering only one wielder can have it so its same for the custom swords , but you cant steal the cannon swords they stick with the bios
yeah i think cali or another mod was saying about this rule doesn't apply to CE and custom summoning contracts of gone members, which sucks imo. Personally i had my eye on the diamond CE when i first started and the guy with the rights to it hasn't been on NB since early 09 and im sure most people would want the scorpian summoning contract an inactive member holds.
 

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Both facts are too weak.

1) Mastering doesn't mean he actually had the swords. Each sword has its own individual fighting style. Suigetsu might as well meant that he mastered each fighting style, but that doesn't mean he actually had the swords. Especially with Samehada there are a lot of loose ends as Kisame took the sword from Fuguki and on top of that Samehada has a will of its own. The time frame doesn't match up as when was Mangetsu then the owner of Samehada? Before Fuguki? Together with Fuguki? None of those make much sense unless we got more information.

This argument is very weak.

2) That doesn't mean he owned the swords. It might by very well a scroll, just like the swords itself, that is passed down from generation to generation or just something that serves as a precaution of some sort. It's not because he had that scroll he actually stored the swords in there all the time. The ones he summoned might be very well stored there by Kabuto himself.

Again weak argument. No proof that he ever owned the swords. Which weapon would it be then? There's no proof he owned all the swords, so it will not be allowed. But which sword did he have then? It's assumed it's Hiramekarei, but even then there are some things that don't make sense.
1) I did not support the fact that he owned every sword with the fact that he mastered them. It is a fact that he mastered all swords, and in that fact, I only need that he has the skill to wield every single one of them, I do not need to know if he was the owner of all of them, or even if he was the owner of none. In this first fact, what I need is that he is able to use them, regardless of having them or not. So if someone were to make a Mangetsu bio, he would have knowledge of all the swords, and mastery of their style.

2) Again, I don't need proof that he wielded any of the swords. If we go as you said, a Scroll passed down from generations, then he had the scroll even when he was alive, as the Leader of the seven swordsmen of the mist, and that he, at some point of his life, had all sealed in the scroll. It is true that the scroll might have been Kabuto's creation, but why would he feel the need to get a specific scroll, with all the names of the swords? Either way, if we go with the idea that scroll is passed generation in generation, if we create a Mangetsu bio, in addition to the above, we also get a character that possesses a scroll with every single sword, and the ability to summon them on his own.

Adding both together, why wouldn't a member use the swords? As far as we know, only Samehada is sentient, and thus it may not allow Mangetsu to wield it (Or it may allow because Mangetsu is the leader of the swordsmen and there could be some kind of respect bond between eachother. Not to mention that it is weird that he mastered all swords and never once handled Samehada), but all the other swords are simply extravagant in appearance and abilities, they don't seem to have a mind of their own.
 
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