Suggestion: New ranking system!!!

[Kushan]

Hi all, just as an idea I think the NB ranking system should be changed to focus on quality of posts rather than the quantity, I’ve been a member since 2008, I’m more of a reader than a poster myself and couldn’t care less about the whole rank thing, but this is getting out of hand, we have new members going nuts and creating pointless threads, I’m not questioning anyone’s right to express themselves, but saying that; there’re members out there like myself who loves NB for the quality of it’s posts. I’ve taken the liberty to highlight some of these threads, and I believe these are made aiming to raise their personal post count rather than serving any other purpose.

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Again I must emphasise that this is not aimed at anyone personally, but back when I was still new I remember getting demerits for a thread similar to this, my point is these threads are created just to increase the number of posts in order to gain rank, so why not change it.

Thank you for reading

 

[Anbu578]

Well I do agree on the useless nooby thread but changing it to the quality might mean the mod and admins having to check every post

 

[gamahiro]

Some people just post stuff because they are bored...like me...right now.
The only people that care about the ranks are the role players.

 

[Caliburn]

No. We once tried something else for ranks. Instead of posts people had to prove themself in several ways ti deserve a higher rank...it killed RP. From the moment the post-system was (again) introduced, the RP-system flourished.

How can you determine ranks based on the quality of someone's post? It's not realistic. If someone made 1000 posts do we need to check all 1000 of them for their "quality" ? Not to mention that "quality" is something extremely subjective.

You don't approve our current ranking system, it may have some flaws, however you're not providing any good alternative. From experience we gained from trail and error, we came to the conclusion that our current ranking system is the best possible way.

Also rankings only have meaning in our RP-system, people who don't RP don't have any use for it, so the amount of members is already extremely limited. Within that RP-system rankings aren't that important. Their main job is that the higher your rank, the more things you can learn, however you still have to learn them. People who are talented, train well and become good RPers, whether they spammed their way up or just posted, what does it matter? They have shown their skill and that's most important. People that aren't talented, don't train very well and become bad RPers...well it doesn't make a difference if he spammed his way up or just posted as he still sucks.

I don't find it very decent when people just spam their way to get a rank, however that's nothing more than a moral. This system remains the best for RP.

 

[Kushan]

Well I do agree on the useless nooby thread but changing it to the quality might mean the mod and admins having to check every post

Some people just post stuff because they are bored...like me...right now.
The only people that care about the ranks are the role players.

Gamahiro chan, as I said I don’t care about the ranks, I didn’t for the past 2 years and I’m sure I want in the future either, posting pointless threads is a no good, it might be fun for you but it’s just too painful, some of the tasteless, pointless things people post, even duplicates of the same thread created in the same day....

Anbu578 san, I have no idea how to fix this, I know it’s not practical to check individual posts but something must be done...don’t you agree??

 

[Kushan]

No. We once tried something else for ranks. Instead of posts people had to prove themself in several ways ti deserve a higher rank...it killed RP. From the moment the post-system was (again) introduced, the RP-system flourished.

How can you determine ranks based on the quality of someone's post? It's not realistic. If someone made 1000 posts do we need to check all 1000 of them for their "quality" ? Not to mention that "quality" is something extremely subjective.

You don't approve our current ranking system, it may have some flaws, however you're not providing any good alternative. From experience we gained from trail and error, we came to the conclusion that our current ranking system is the best possible way.

Also rankings only have meaning in our RP-system, people who don't RP don't have any use for it, so the amount of members is already extremely limited. Within that RP-system rankings aren't that important. Their main job is that the higher your rank, the more things you can learn, however you still have to learn them. People who are talented, train well and become good RPers, whether they spammed their way up or just posted, what does it matter? They have shown their skill and that's most important. People that aren't talented, don't train very well and become bad RPers...well it doesn't make a difference if he spammed his way up or just posted as he still sucks.

I don't find it very decent when people just spam their way to get a rank, however that's nothing more than a moral. This system remains the best for RP.

Hi Caliburn san, thanks for the quick response, I agree on what your saying, I accept the fact that I haven’t given an alternative to the problem (let me get back to you on that one), a possibility might be to consider postings made in a certain area only for ranking and maybe have a demerit system for members who posts in certain areas; this could probably be done by member complaints or rating system, where you can identify serial offenders , it’s not fare on non RPers just because they don’t enjoy pretending to be a ninja online.

It almost sounds like you’re condoning this kind of behaviour, which I’m sure you’re not, but it sure sounds like people like myself don’t really matter to NB, and if it’s a matter of morals shouldn’t that matter, morals wether you agree with them or not has to be maintained to a certain degree. I emphasise again that I don’t care about the RP system (not that I have anything agains people who does, and I’m not saying it should be there or not) or the fact that so called “skilled” people who might spam or not spam. What I’m pointing out is the rise in number of pointless threads and spam in general, which has become a hindrance.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

I hate spamming and I hate that I need to do so in order to get a fitting rank. I think mods should provide a different alternative for people who'd like to receive a better rank, but that don't like to spam.

I think tests, or battle tests should be given to evaluate the strength of a rper. I'm not saying that everyone has to take the test. I'm saying that people that feel that they're rank isn't fitting, and they deserve a better rank, then they'd ask for a test to prove their worth.

If they pass the test, they'd be give a post boost until they reach the proper rank. People that don't pass the test could either be forbiden to ask for the test again, or be forbiden to ask for the test for a certain ammount of time.

This way, I believe people wouldn't spam that much, and we would achieve better quality in our posts. I mean, if you have talent, you won't need to spam. If you don't have talent, you might spam for a while after, but I believe that person would realize that they're not good, and so they'd try harder (trainning, battling, etc).

People that don't like to take tests continue with the current system. people that don't like to spam, but find themselves forced to do so, would have alternatives.

 

[Pervyy]

I hate spamming and I hate that I need to do so in order to get a fitting rank. I think mods should provide a different alternative for people who'd like to receive a better rank, but that don't like to spam.

I think tests, or battle tests should be given to evaluate the strength of a rper. I'm not saying that everyone has to take the test. I'm saying that people that feel that they're rank isn't fitting, and they deserve a better rank, then they'd ask for a test to prove their worth.

If they pass the test, they'd be give a post boost until they reach the proper rank. People that don't pass the test could either be forbiden to ask for the test again, or be forbiden to ask for the test for a certain ammount of time.

This way, I believe people wouldn't spam that much, and we would achieve better quality in our posts. I mean, if you have talent, you won't need to spam. If you don't have talent, you might spam for a while after, but I believe that person would realize that they're not good, and so they'd try harder (trainning, battling, etc).

People that don't like to take tests continue with the current system. people that don't like to spam, but find themselves forced to do so, would have alternatives.

This is a much better idea, but who would test every person? thats the problem, i had a simalar idea for trainers who know how to rp but have to go through the pointless training:

Spoiler

Once you have an approved bio you can then begin to train, but to train you must find a sensei to teach you. Though if you think you are an experienced member, you can ask your sensei for a battle test for the elements you want to use.

The way the battle test will work is you chose the element you want to use and you fight your sensei and you both use that element. The battle will be only using that element and its to test your understanding of that element. If you pass the test you gain that new element without training, if you fail you must be trained in every move by your sensei.

But meh this would cost people alot of time

 

[Lili-Chwan]

This is a much better idea, but who would test every person? thats the problem, i had a simalar idea for trainers who know how to rp but have to go through the pointless training:

Spoiler

Once you have an approved bio you can then begin to train, but to train you must find a sensei to teach you. Though if you think you are an experienced member, you can ask your sensei for a battle test for the elements you want to use.

The way the battle test will work is you chose the element you want to use and you fight your sensei and you both use that element. The battle will be only using that element and its to test your understanding of that element. If you pass the test you gain that new element without training, if you fail you must be trained in every move by your sensei.

But meh this would cost people alot of time

Mods, Senseis?

It would be similair to Bio tests. I mean, it gives some work, but it will be good for the site.

 

[gamahiro]

Gamahiro chan, as I said I don’t care about the ranks, I didn’t for the past 2 years and I’m sure I want in the future either, posting pointless threads is a no good, it might be fun for you but it’s just too painful, some of the tasteless, pointless things people post, even duplicates of the same thread created in the same day....

Anbu578 san, I have no idea how to fix this, I know it’s not practical to check individual posts but something must be done...don’t you agree??

Kids are just having fun...chatting online...killing time. Trolling, flaming and crossposting aside, I really don't see any problem. If Versuvio didn't want non-related posts he wouldn't have created non-related sections (ie; games, music, chatterbox, etc.).
As far as spamming to get a high post count...well the only people that care are the role players. I don't mean to be rude, but why should you or I care about it since we don't role play?
Just don't read the non-related posts. Noone forces me to read about some sensei training kids in vampirejutsu, or whatever it is they do in there, so I don't read it xd

 

[-Naruto Uzumaki-]

Hahaha, this reminds me of my previous attempts to "change" the battle/ranking system.

Here's my suggestion: Lower the posts required for each rank. That simple.

~_~

 

[Kushan]

Kids are just having fun...chatting online...killing time. Trolling, flaming and crossposting aside, I really don't see any problem. If Versuvio didn't want non-related posts he wouldn't have created non-related sections (ie; games, music, chatterbox, etc.).
As far as spamming to get a high post count...well the only people that care are the role players. I don't mean to be rude, but why should you or I care about it since we don't role play?
Just don't read the non-related posts. Noone forces me to read about some sensei training kids in vampirejutsu, or whatever it is they do in there, so I don't read it xd

Sorry but you’re missing my point, I’m not talking about non related areas to Naruto, I’m talking about these kinds of threads (i.e. pointless, stupid threads that any avid Naruto reader like you and I will know the answer to) and posts of this caliber been made in manga discussion areas and things are forced on you wether you like it or not, you don’t have a choice.

And I like Liliana sans idea I think it’s great, there Sensei’s who could test these people who doesn’t want to spam and recommend to the mods.

 

[Astral]

@kushan: Quality can never get ranked, it will always be about quanitity, all forums rank structures are on quantitiy man. Also i agree with you on the useless threads as everyone does

 

[Kushan]

@kushan: Quality can never get ranked, it will always be about quanitity, all forums rank structures are on quantitiy man. Also i agree with you on the useless threads as everyone does

Bahaha thanks for bursting my bubble there Astral san, thanks for the support, I mean the spammers has always been there, but recently there seem to be a increase of this, Caliburn san said no and he hasn’t even come back to check on, I guess this would be like fart, stink for a while and soon everyone will forget it ever happened...LOL

You can’t blame me for trying xd

 

[Astral]

No i would rather see people spam threads yelling at people who spam threads rather than people who spam threads

 

[Dante1o1]

I agree, this spamming forums seem annoying and unfair to others..

 

[Caliburn]

Hi Caliburn san, thanks for the quick response, I agree on what your saying, I accept the fact that I haven’t given an alternative to the problem (let me get back to you on that one), a possibility might be to consider postings made in a certain area only for ranking and maybe have a demerit system for members who posts in certain areas; this could probably be done by member complaints or rating system, where you can identify serial offenders , it’s not fare on non RPers just because they don’t enjoy pretending to be a ninja online.

It almost sounds like you’re condoning this kind of behaviour, which I’m sure you’re not, but it sure sounds like people like myself don’t really matter to NB, and if it’s a matter of morals shouldn’t that matter, morals wether you agree with them or not has to be maintained to a certain degree. I emphasise again that I don’t care about the RP system (not that I have anything agains people who does, and I’m not saying it should be there or not) or the fact that so called “skilled” people who might spam or not spam. What I’m pointing out is the rise in number of pointless threads and spam in general, which has become a hindrance.

Dude....it may be your thread, but it seems you don't understand your own problem. I'm not condoning this kind of behavior nor I'm neglecting any members, but why should I involve members in it that have absolutely nothing to do with the matter? The ranking system has only meaning within the RP-system, it doesn't matter for members that don't RP, it has zero value to them. The only reason why they also have a rank is out sheer convience.

Apparantly you have a problem with people making crappy threads with stupid subjects all around the forum, however that has nothing to do with the ranking system, those are two completely individual things with no relation to each other.

You say we need to make a specific section, we already have: Forum Games section. That section was specifically made to spam so that people wouldn't start doing it in other sections and that's where all the people go who want to raise their postcount fast to get a higher rank. People that make crappy, low-quality threads are something completely different and are irrelevant to the ranking system. The two have nothing in common. People that make such threads don't even RP or they didn't made that thread to raise their poscount for a higher rank, they made it because they we're actually serious about that subject. Even if it's a crappy subject, they didn't made those threads to raise their postcount as it wouldn't have much effect. If you need to have 2000 posts for the next rank, you're not going to make much difference by making such a thread

You have a problem with low-quality threads with stupid topics, that's not something we can control, but that has nothing do with the ranking system. Those two aren't connected, you just made a completely wrong assessment. Proof of that is that everyone has been talking about RP, because only there it matters, it has no effect outside the RP-sections and the Forum Games section.

PS: One of the threads you posted as an example shouldn't even have been there, it was in the wrong section, so I moved it to the right section: Forum Games.

I hate spamming and I hate that I need to do so in order to get a fitting rank. I think mods should provide a different alternative for people who'd like to receive a better rank, but that don't like to spam.

I think tests, or battle tests should be given to evaluate the strength of a rper. I'm not saying that everyone has to take the test. I'm saying that people that feel that they're rank isn't fitting, and they deserve a better rank, then they'd ask for a test to prove their worth.

If they pass the test, they'd be give a post boost until they reach the proper rank. People that don't pass the test could either be forbiden to ask for the test again, or be forbiden to ask for the test for a certain ammount of time.

This way, I believe people wouldn't spam that much, and we would achieve better quality in our posts. I mean, if you have talent, you won't need to spam. If you don't have talent, you might spam for a while after, but I believe that person would realize that they're not good, and so they'd try harder (trainning, battling, etc).

People that don't like to take tests continue with the current system. people that don't like to spam, but find themselves forced to do so, would have alternatives.

No. Didn't you read my post? We already tried different things and our current system is still the best. We tried tests. Do you know how the Arena looked? A wasteland. One battle per week :| and I don't like the idea of only having optional tests either. Outside the fact that you're giving us an incredible amount of work it would be easily abused as anyone then can start saying that they deserve a better rank. Or do you want us not only test them but also first check if they're worthy to take the test, which means even more useless work as in the end it would barely make a difference. The spamming wouldn't stop at least not much as the people who spam the most are often the ones who are the less talented in RP.

This is a much better idea, but who would test every person? thats the problem, i had a simalar idea for trainers who know how to rp but have to go through the pointless training:

Spoiler

Once you have an approved bio you can then begin to train, but to train you must find a sensei to teach you. Though if you think you are an experienced member, you can ask your sensei for a battle test for the elements you want to use.

The way the battle test will work is you chose the element you want to use and you fight your sensei and you both use that element. The battle will be only using that element and its to test your understanding of that element. If you pass the test you gain that new element without training, if you fail you must be trained in every move by your sensei.

But meh this would cost people alot of time

No. Being an experienced member is something completely different than being an experienced RPer. Not to mention that way you can learn all the elements in some days. You're pretty much degrading an important aspect of the RP-system.

Hahaha, this reminds me of my previous attempts to "change" the battle/ranking system.

Here's my suggestion: Lower the posts required for each rank. That simple.

~_~

It already got lowered once, they are fine as they are now. The first few ranks are close together and when you get higher, they're further away.

I agree, this spamming forums seem annoying and unfair to others..

Do you even know what RP is? You can say a lot of things about it, but not that it's unfair.

 

[Kushan]

Dude....it may be your thread, but it seems you don't understand your own problem. I'm not condoning this kind of behavior nor I'm neglecting any members, but why should I involve members in it that have absolutely nothing to do with the matter? The ranking system has only meaning within the RP-system, it doesn't matter for members that don't RP, it has zero value to them. The only reason why they also have a rank is out sheer convience.

Apparantly you have a problem with people making crappy threads with stupid subjects all around the forum, however that has nothing to do with the ranking system, those are two completely individual things with no relation to each other.

You say we need to make a specific section, we already have: Forum Games section. That section was specifically made to spam so that people wouldn't start doing it in other sections and that's where all the people go who want to raise their postcount fast to get a higher rank. People that make crappy, low-quality threads are something completely different and are irrelevant to the ranking system. The two have nothing in common. People that make such threads don't even RP or they didn't made that thread to raise their poscount for a higher rank, they made it because they we're actually serious about that subject. Even if it's a crappy subject, they didn't made those threads to raise their postcount as it wouldn't have much effect. If you need to have 2000 posts for the next rank, you're not going to make much difference by making such a thread

You have a problem with low-quality threads with stupid topics, that's not something we can control, but that has nothing do with the ranking system. Those two aren't connected, you just made a completely wrong assessment. Proof of that is that everyone has been talking about RP, because only there it matters, it has no effect outside the RP-sections and the Forum Games section.

PS: One of the threads you posted as an example shouldn't even have been there, it was in the wrong section, so I moved it to the right section: Forum Games.



No. Didn't you read my post? We already tried different things and our current system is still the best. We tried tests. Do you know how the Arena looked? A wasteland. One battle per week :| and I don't like the idea of only having optional tests either. Outside the fact that you're giving us an incredible amount of work it would be easily abused as anyone then can start saying that they deserve a better rank. Or do you want us not only test them but also first check if they're worthy to take the test, which means even more useless work as in the end it would barely make a difference. The spamming wouldn't stop at least not much as the people who spam the most are often the ones who are the less talented in RP.



No. Being an experienced member is something completely different than being an experienced RPer. Not to mention that way you can learn all the elements in some days. You're pretty much degrading an important aspect of the RP-system.



It already got lowered once, they are fine as they are now. The first few ranks are close together and when you get higher, they're further away.



Do you even know what RP is? You can say a lot of things about it, but not that it's unfair.

Excuse me, I understand you’re a moderator, and I totally get that you’re really busy doing what you do, let me break it down for you:
1. You don’t need to tell me that it’s my thread, I already know that.
2. Secondly I’m not confused about my point in this thread
3. I don’t need you to interpret my own words for me, I know what I’ve said because I’m the one who said it in the first place.


How can you deny the fact that there’s a correlation between, spamming, crappy threads and post counts and ranking, really...did you go and ask everyone who made threads like this or spammed in a non spamming area wether they did it for RPing or because they were serious about what ever it was, I made a observation, I came to where you make suggestions on things relating to the forum you don’t need to get so defensive about the whole thing, don’t take it personally because I can tell you it’s not personal, it comes with your job, which I know you’re more than capable of doing.

I apologies in advance for saying this but it almost sounds like you’re insulting my intelligence don’t treat me or anyone else like we’re idiots, I’m sure one member like myself bean here or not means nothing to you, but learn to respect people and there opinions just as much we respect your authority over us as members. You say that you don’t want to involve members who has nothing to do with the problem, I didn’t ask you to involve anyone in the first place what I’m asking you to do is to look in to the matter, I made a suggestion that I thought would benefit this community we all love, wether it’s right or wrong regardless of what I believe, you’re the man with the power, ultimately it’s your call. I agree; the post count means nothing to non RPers but it’s a nuisance at time to people who doesn’t RP and it’s a fact.

a possibility might be to consider postings made in a certain area only for ranking and maybe have a demerit system for members who posts in certain areas; this could probably be done by member complaints or rating system, where you can identify serial offenders , it’s not fare on non RPers just because they don’t enjoy pretending to be a ninja online.

In the quoted message above read the area I’ve highlighted carefully what I’m proposing to do is to count the posts made in that relevant area when rankings are given to RPers; this would discourage people from spamming, i.e. only the number of posts made in the training grounds should be counted when ranking (just as an example).

In your opinion I’ve made a completely wrong assessment of the situation, maybe I have and maybe you’re right nevertheless I have gotten myself in to something that serves no purpose in the end, I’m sorry for inconveniencing you

 

[Caliburn]

Excuse me, I understand you’re a moderator, and I totally get that you’re really busy doing what you do, let me break it down for you:
1. You don’t need to tell me that it’s my thread, I already know that.
2. Secondly I’m not confused about my point in this thread
3. I don’t need you to interpret my own words for me, I know what I’ve said because I’m the one who said it in the first place.


How can you deny the fact that there’s a correlation between, spamming, crappy threads and post counts and ranking, really...did you go and ask everyone who made threads like this or spammed in a non spamming area wether they did it for RPing or because they were serious about what ever it was, I made a observation, I came to where you make suggestions on things relating to the forum you don’t need to get so defensive about the whole thing, don’t take it personally because I can tell you it’s not personal, it comes with your job, which I know you’re more than capable of doing.

I apologies in advance for saying this but it almost sounds like you’re insulting my intelligence don’t treat me or anyone else like we’re idiots, I’m sure one member like myself bean here or not means nothing to you, but learn to respect people and there opinions just as much we respect your authority over us as members. You say that you don’t want to involve members who has nothing to do with the problem, I didn’t ask you to involve anyone in the first place what I’m asking you to do is to look in to the matter, I made a suggestion that I thought would benefit this community we all love, wether it’s right or wrong regardless of what I believe, you’re the man with the power, ultimately it’s your call. I agree; the post count means nothing to non RPers but it’s a nuisance at time to people who doesn’t RP and it’s a fact.




In the quoted message above read the area I’ve highlighted carefully what I’m proposing to do is to count the posts made in that relevant area when rankings are given to RPers; this would discourage people from spamming, i.e. only the number of posts made in the training grounds should be counted when ranking (just as an example).

In your opinion I’ve made a completely wrong assessment of the situation, maybe I have and maybe you’re right nevertheless I have gotten myself in to something that serves no purpose in the end, I’m sorry for inconveniencing you

I never said you were confused about your point itself, just that you are mixing two different things together which have nothing to do with each other. The proof is that pretty much all posts so far, all suggestions made in this thread were from the point of view this was an RP-thing as rankings have only value in the RP-system and beyond that it's worthless, it doesn't have any effect. For example Lilian posted a suggestion, but she was under the impression, as I, that you were talking about RPers who just go spamming the forum games section to get quick a higher rank. But then you suddenly say it's global for the entire forum, but then it doesn't have anything to do with rankings, but with the qualities of all threads.

There is no correlation between between all four of them at the same time, outside what we call coincidence and the circumstances. I know the forums well and I see a lot, so I know what I'm talking about. I'm just saying that the thing your suggesting has nothing to do with the thing you're trying to solve. If you want to raise the qualities of the threads, changing the ranking system of RP will have zero effect. I'm not disrespecting your opinion, I just don't agree with what you're saying nor am I saying that you're stupid. Those are two completely different matters. I'm just saying that you are making a link between two things, which aren't linked at all.

People who RP sometimes go spamming in the forum games section because that way they can reach faster a higher rank and thus can learn more things. They rarely (it would be more precise to say never, but you may never know) go making crappy threads elsewhere on the forum to make their postcount rise for a higher rank. Why? Because it's not efficient. That way it would take weeks. It wouldn't even be counted as post raising because what then is the normal way? while in the forum games you can make hundreds of posts by just doing azrgsgzgrz *posts* and that repeatedly. The proof of this is that the two links you posted where threads made by two people that don't RP, so rank has no value to them. If you would do that elsewhere on the forum you would get yourself banned within the hour. Even if it were RPers who were making the crappy threads, they aren't doing it to raise their postcount as there are way faster ways. Where's the correlation between crappy threads and ranks? Non existent. Between ranks and spamming? The forum games section, where it was made for. Between crappy threads and spamming? If a thread is crappy, people are going to flame the person who made it and spam the thread, that happens often, but has nothing to do with ranking.

Also even if there are crappy threads, the person who made it can actually be serious about it and what's wrong with that? So there's also no guarantee between crappy threads and spamming from the maker.

All these things may overlap sometimes, but that's nothing more than a coincidence. You made a complete false assessement by linking ranking and spamming in crappy threads on the forums. So making a seperate section or something for RPers is going to change nothing as the crappy threads remain.

Bottom line is if you want to do something about the crappy threads, you don't need to search your solution in things like rankings.

 

[gamahiro]

Here's 2 ideas.
1) Get rid of the ranks. The only people that get ranks are the role players. After 50 posts you can submit a bio. When it gets approved you become a genin. The same post counts apply towards ranks, but only when you post in the role playing area. Spamming elsewhere would do you no good.
2) Keep the ranks but use tenure rather than posts (ie; 3 months=Genin, 6 months=Chunin, etc.).
How's that?