Strongest Ninja without outside help

[Animegoin]

Itachi, Hashirama, Muu, Onoki, Might Gai, Deidara, Pain Nagato.


Itachi'd defeat above tho.

Rofl Nagato uses Madara’s eyes, that’s outside help. Itachi uses the Totsuka blade and Yata Mirror which are outside help also.

 

[Darth Natsu Shazneel]

Hashirama and Hinata

 

[Mori Jin]

Hashirama, Minato, Tobirama, Oonoki, Hiruzen

 

[Calpal]

Hashi..all the previous kage basically, Gai, Hanzo, Konan, Kimi, Haku could have been sooo strong.
All the people you wouldnt think about are up there.

 

[kiiro]

Hashirama is truly a God

Capitain Yamato is not bad too.

Also J.man

He is not a God. True God? He cant beat Rikudou Sennin. Rikudou Madara, Rikudou Obito, Rikudou Naruto, Sasuke with sage powers, Rikudou powers Kakashi, Kaguya. Those are real gods. GODS !!!

Hashirama doesnt compare with them.

Sasuke himself stated that her genjutsu affinity was stronger than his 2 Tomoe Sharingan naturally. And Sakura wasn't even affected by the genjutsu at the Chunnin exams to even care about it. The hallway genjutsu didn't even work on her, and Kabuto's genjutsu wasn't a big deal for her, she sensed it before it could do anything. And the databook supports Sasuke's claim as his genjutsu only surpassed her 3.5 when he learn Sharingan Genjutsu.

3.5 is probably the highest you can attain without actually being a genjutsu caster, because both Sakura and Diedera have eyes that are somewhat immune to most genjutsu, the only difference is Deidera trained his to be that way and Sakura's was natural. Diedera even broke free of Sharingan Genjutsu. And Sakura was damn near immuner to genjutsu by the time of the last as she wasn't affected by a tensigan cast genjutsu that captured an perfect Jinc (naruto) and a byakugan user (whos eyes are said to see through genjutsu)

You know i just did all this wanking of Sakura, only to realize that you were talking about Sarada. lol.
But yeah this is partially the reason why Sarada's genjutsu is so powerful with just a one tomoe, because in base she is Sakura. she probably naturally have a 3.5 too

1.- Jiraiya has 4 points and isnt a caster.
2.- Genjutsu stats is given from knowledge of genjutsus and proficient in genjutsus. What Sasuke mean is that Sakura knows more than genjutsus than he, Sakura cant see genjutsus or anything like that. She cant even cast a genjutsu. A example of this is when she knew that everyone is gonna be in a genjutsu in the chunnin exams.
3.- Sakura's eyes are not inmune to genjutsu. And not comparison with Deidara. While Deidara can avoid SHARINGAN GENJUTSU. Sakura is not inmune, but has high knowledge that she can use to help her.

 

[kiiro]

So i was thinking the other day when watching the anime again...who is the stronger ninja really?

UNDER THEIR OWN POWER...meaning no tailed beasts which excludes Naruto and kaguya and bee. No EMS or anything above so Sasuke, madara Kakashi are out. No stolen abilities either which takes away orochimaru, and Kabuto for instance

This leaves Shinobi Like Might Gai, Minato Namikaze, Hashirama Senju, Tobirama, Itachi Uchiha, Jiraiaya, Tsunade, (Sakura possibly...) A and The third Raikage, gaara (Still controlled sand after losing a jinchurriki), Ohnoki,

this isn't a versus match and if i forgot anyone please mention them! But who is the strongest?

For me the top 5 would be as follows

NOT IN ORDER:

Might Gai
Hashirama Senju
Minato Namikaze
Itachi Uchiha
Tobirama

Kakashi has Mangekyo Sharingan, not eternal so he does enter then. Orochimaru does not have stolen abilities like Kabuto. Hashirama had more chakra from being transmigrant, not a reincarnation.

For me would be:

Minato
Obito
Kakahi
Tobirama
Gai.

 

[Uverdore9]

Rofl Nagato uses Madara’s eyes, that’s outside help. Itachi uses the Totsuka blade and Yata Mirror which are outside help also.

By your logic the clothes Itachi and Nagato wear are borrowed powers since they earned it from someone else.....lmao.

 

[Animegoin]

By your logic the clothes Itachi and Nagato wear are borrowed powers since they earned it from someone else.....lmao.

Lmfao as expected of someone with your intelligence. Please explain to me how your interpretation of my logic actually proves that point.

In contrast, according to your logic however; EMS and Rinnegan Madara aren’t borrowed powers. Rofl oh.

 

[FemmeFatale]

He is not a God. True God? He cant beat Rikudou Sennin. Rikudou Madara, Rikudou Obito, Rikudou Naruto, Sasuke with sage powers, Rikudou powers Kakashi, Kaguya. Those are real gods. GODS !!!

Hashirama doesnt compare with them.



1.- Jiraiya has 4 points and isnt a caster.
2.- Genjutsu stats is given from knowledge of genjutsus and proficient in genjutsus. What Sasuke mean is that Sakura knows more than genjutsus than he, Sakura cant see genjutsus or anything like that. She cant even cast a genjutsu. A example of this is when she knew that everyone is gonna be in a genjutsu in the chunnin exams.
3.- Sakura's eyes are not inmune to genjutsu. And not comparison with Deidara. While Deidara can avoid SHARINGAN GENJUTSU. Sakura is not inmune, but has high knowledge that she can use to help her.

1).Um yes he is, he uses that frog Song jutsu, that is the only reason. And even still Sakura > than him at resisting genjutsu, he said he was shit at it himself. And you tried it because he has a 3 in genjutsu, the same as early part 1 sakura.

2).Sakura can naturally see through genjutsu, it was shown throught the chunnin exams, read the manga. It was futher touched upon in the last when both NAruto (a perfect host) and Hinata (A byakugan user) was affected by tensigan genjutsu and Sakura was immune. Even Shikamaru feel prey to it, so it's due to more than her intellect.

3).Sakura is nigh-immune, highly resistant. Deidara isn't on Sakura's level tbh, because she has the natural ability to detect and counter genjutsu.

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as a genin, she wasn't affected by a genjutsu that only Jonin where able to counter.

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[Uverdore9]

Lmfao as expected of someone with your intelligence. Please explain to me how your interpretation of my logic actually proves that point.

In contrast, according to your logic however; EMS and Rinnegan Madara aren’t borrowed powers. Rofl oh.

Lol.........


Do me a favor and increase your kind-a, uptight intelligence.......I'm on a constant barricade of losing brain cells reading your BS.


Totsuka and Yata are not borrowed power cause he didnt borrow it from anyone. Case closed. End of Story.