[Theory] ?Strawhats Will Possibly Steal The Poneglyph/s From Kaido/BM With The Lamest DF

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Might be possible, but to be honest it doesn't make much difference. Luffy doesn't like the entire idea of sneaking in, so how they would do it, is of little importance if he doesn't want to. You also got the problem of the drawing as Kanjuro sucks at it. Even if Usopp helps, it's not just about drawing a square rock. They need to mimic the entire contents of it. Well they don't necessarily need the exact pongelyph symbols, that would make stealing the entire thing redundant in the first place, but they still need to have a poneglyph that's covered in the symbols to make it pass for the real one.

I think physical poneglyphs are needed and probably make the "One Piece" along with the final piece of the puzzle. The Rio Poneglyph.

One Piece is probably a construct of all poneglyphs, depicting the entire history along with the void century info, ergo; a spectacular intro to the final all-out war.
That idea can be discarded. Roger didn't do it and we know of several poneglyphs that are currently almost impossible to obtain as they're too far away. The value of the poneglyph lies in their contents, not their physical being.

I don't think physical poneglyphs are needed Roger said something like "I was here and I'll lead this passage to the end of the world" meaning the text on the poneglyph is more important than the poneglyph itself, also the poneglyphs on Zou seems to have been there for long (more than 30 years) so I doubt Roger took it with him on his adventures.
We also don't know how Kinemon's DF work, if he can turn any rock to fabric and the size limts.
More like 800 years.

Haggahaha. Plausible. He is God Usopp afterall. U_U
I like how ppl don't get how redicolously strong Usopp is atm. I would say he has the 2nd best observation haki after Enel.
Ridiculously strong is exaggerating things and saying he now has the 2nd best observation haki after Enel even more. Agreed Usopp isn't the joker he used to be, but physically he still isn't that particularly impressive and he just became aware of his observation haki recently. Haki isn't something that goes from 0 to immediately 100% by flipping a switch, it's something that grows through time and training. It's not a surprise that Usopp became aware of it and he likely has a natural affinity for it, but you need to be realistic here. He used it once. It was an impressive feat, but mostly an impressive sniper feat and not that much of a haki feat. The two are compatible, but still two different abilities. In terms of observation haki the only thing he did was locating one person from a distance he still could visualize. That's a far cry from people like Rayleigh who immediately knew Luffy arrived on Shabondy or Fujitora who is blind and only sees with his observation haki. Even Cobi who could hear everyone around him during the War of the Best can be considered better. Usopp is still very well a greenhorn at the observation haki.
 

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Might be possible, but to be honest it doesn't make much difference. Luffy doesn't like the entire idea of sneaking in, so how they would do it, is of little importance if he doesn't want to. You also got the problem of the drawing as Kanjuro sucks at it. Even if Usopp helps, it's not just about drawing a square rock. They need to mimic the entire contents of it. Well they don't necessarily need the exact pongelyph symbols, that would make stealing the entire thing redundant in the first place, but they still need to have a poneglyph that's covered in the symbols to make it pass for the real one.



That idea can be discarded. Roger didn't do it and we know of several poneglyphs that are currently almost impossible to obtain as they're too far away. The value of the poneglyph lies in their contents, not their physical being.



More like 800 years.



Ridiculously strong is exaggerating things and saying he now has the 2nd best observation haki after Enel even more. Agreed Usopp isn't the joker he used to be, but physically he still isn't that particularly impressive and he just became aware of his observation haki recently. Haki isn't something that goes from 0 to immediately 100% by flipping a switch, it's something that grows through time and training. It's not a surprise that Usopp became aware of it and he likely has a natural affinity for it, but you need to be realistic here. He used it once. It was an impressive feat, but mostly an impressive sniper feat and not that much of a haki feat. The two are compatible, but still two different abilities. In terms of observation haki the only thing he did was locating one person from a distance he still could visualize. That's a far cry from people like Rayleigh who immediately knew Luffy arrived on Shabondy or Fujitora who is blind and only sees with his observation haki. Even Cobi who could hear everyone around him during the War of the Best can be considered better. Usopp is still very well a greenhorn at the observation haki.
I agree with everything you said.. because it was all facts.. except for one thing.... and that the part about Cobi and Usopp.

IMO I think it's safe to say that Usopp showed a better display of Observation Haki in the manga so far. Idk what can happen in the future with Cobi, but at the moment I think Usopp has the better use of Observation Haki.
 

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@bold, might be right, but I don't think physical poneglyphs will be needed for this. Introduction of copying in the story doesn't make any sense otherwise, right?
Copy is made to ask other how to read those words.You can go anywhere to ask experts rather made everyone come to a same location to ease searching.May be forth one can be located when those are in a perfect pattern or to the place where those ponoclyph are stolen.
 

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Copy is made to ask other how to read those words.You can go anywhere to ask experts rather made everyone come to a same location to ease searching.May be forth one can be located when those are in a perfect pattern or to the place where those ponoclyph are stolen.
Look the copies might or might not hold the importance, but I think Luffy's face says it all, he will get the remaining poneglyphs needed even if he needs to drag them himself.
 

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I agree with everything you said.. because it was all facts.. except for one thing.... and that the part about Cobi and Usopp.

IMO I think it's safe to say that Usopp showed a better display of Observation Haki in the manga so far. Idk what can happen in the future with Cobi, but at the moment I think Usopp has the better use of Observation Haki.
Cobi awakened his Observation Haki quite heavily, similar to how that girl on Skypeia was born with it and she was considered to be exceptional. Cobi was able to feel everyone around him and after that he was trained by Garp for two years. Oda confirmed that by now Cobi's Observation Haki is on an advanced level. What does Usopp have to shown for himself? He was able to locate a few persons from a distance. From a sniper's perspective what he did was extraordinary. If you would say he is now the best sniper in the world, it wouldn't be that implausible. From a observation haki user perspective however what he did was in fact standard and not particularly special as it has been done by countless of people. Taken into account he has had no training yet, yes even Cobi is far above Usopp's level. You say he showed a better display, but what he displayed were largely his sniper abilities.

Look the copies might or might not hold the importance, but I think Luffy's face says it all, he will get the remaining poneglyphs needed even if he needs to drag them himself.
Luffy's face says he wants to do it with a bang. It's the "sneaking in" part he doesn't like, not the "we need or don't need to copy the poneglyph". And realistically they don't even need to either copy nor take the poneglyh with them as they have Robin. Robin can translate the poneglyph, which is what she has done up to this point. So if they can get to the poneglyph, she can translate it and Nami will likely make notes because it concerns a map after all. This issue is also easily solved: if the Strawhats don't take the poneglyph from Zou with them, there's no reason to take the others either.
 

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Cobi awakened his Observation Haki quite heavily, similar to how that girl on Skypeia was born with it and she was considered to be exceptional. Cobi was able to feel everyone around him and after that he was trained by Garp for two years. Oda confirmed that by now Cobi's Observation Haki is on an advanced level. What does Usopp have to shown for himself? He was able to locate a few persons from a distance. From a sniper's perspective what he did was extraordinary. If you would say he is now the best sniper in the world, it wouldn't be that implausible. From a observation haki user perspective however what he did was in fact standard and not particularly special as it has been done by countless of people. Taken into account he has had no training yet, yes even Cobi is far above Usopp's level. You say he showed a better display, but what he displayed were largely his sniper abilities.



Luffy's face says he wants to do it with a bang. It's the "sneaking in" part he doesn't like, not the "we need or don't need to copy the poneglyph". And realistically they don't even need to either copy nor take the poneglyh with them as they have Robin. Robin can translate the poneglyph, which is what she has done up to this point. So if they can get to the poneglyph, she can translate it and Nami will likely make notes because it concerns a map after all. This issue is also easily solved: if the Strawhats don't take the poneglyph from Zou with them, there's no reason to take the others either.
We don't know they're unnecessary yet, it said place all 4 on a map and Raftel will rise, that may be literal and the 4 poneglyphs may have to be placed at specific locations to bring Raftel to sight, it's not that uncommon in treasure stories.
 

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Look the copies might or might not hold the importance, but I think Luffy's face says it all, he will get the remaining poneglyphs needed even if he needs to drag them himself.
Well my statement is just on the need of copy not what Luffy will do. Luffy will do whatever he wants like nami told him to go in mini merry but he wanted a ride in Shark submarine for fun.Besides its not fun watching luffy stealing behind doors if he needs to steal he will steal openly like kidnapping of ceaser.
 

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We don't know they're unnecessary yet, it said place all 4 on a map and Raftel will rise, that may be literal and the 4 poneglyphs may have to be placed at specific locations to bring Raftel to sight, it's not that uncommon in treasure stories.
Reminds me of Zelda where you place orbs on statues and a tower appears lol
 

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Cobi awakened his Observation Haki quite heavily, similar to how that girl on Skypeia was born with it and she was considered to be exceptional. Cobi was able to feel everyone around him and after that he was trained by Garp for two years. Oda confirmed that by now Cobi's Observation Haki is on an advanced level. What does Usopp have to shown for himself? He was able to locate a few persons from a distance. From a sniper's perspective what he did was extraordinary. If you would say he is now the best sniper in the world, it wouldn't be that implausible. From a observation haki user perspective however what he did was in fact standard and not particularly special as it has been done by countless of people. Taken into account he has had no training yet, yes even Cobi is far above Usopp's level. You say he showed a better display, but what he displayed were largely his sniper abilities.
Ahh okay.. I see what you mean... that does make sense.

My main reasoning though, was because imo, I thought it was better to use Observation Haki to actually see people (the white aura thing.. the same way that Fujitora "sees" people) rather than just hear people..

IMO I thought Seeing > Hearing when it came to Observation Haki..
 

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Ahh okay.. I see what you mean... that does make sense.

My main reasoning though, was because imo, I thought it was better to use Observation Haki to actually see people (the white aura thing.. the same way that Fujitora "sees" people) rather than just hear people..

IMO I thought Seeing > Hearing when it came to Observation Haki..
Best observation Haki users are:
Enel
Rayleigh
Fujitora
Dracule "Hawkeye" Mihawk
Van Augur.
Coby & Ussop are not Top 5 observation haki users in OPverse
 

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Best observation Haki users are:
Enel
Rayleigh
Fujitora
Dracule "Hawkeye" Mihawk
Van Augur.
Coby & Ussop are not Top 5 observation haki users in OPverse
I never said they were....

I was simply telling Caliburn that I thought Usopp has shown a better display of Observation Haki than Cobi.

I was only speaking on them two, and who I thought was better.. not the whole entire OPverse.. cause yeah, you and other members are definitely correct with the list of the best.
 

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We don't know they're unnecessary yet, it said place all 4 on a map and Raftel will rise, that may be literal and the 4 poneglyphs may have to be placed at specific locations to bring Raftel to sight, it's not that uncommon in treasure stories.
That is a possibility. There are indeed many movies, books and the like where people have to find a certain key or lever or several parts of a key to open something. However the situation here is quite different. The key parts are four huge square stones that have to be placed on four locations that are separated from each other by huge distances. If they were close to each other, finding one poneglyph would be enough as you could just cruise around to find the rest. The only way that this system of four locations works, is if they are so far apart you can't possibly find the other three locations if you only know one. That's the point of this system: forcing people to find all four parts.

Of course when they are that far apart, how could the four poneglyph trigger anything? That would mean there is some kind of a massive 800 year old world-wide mechanism that connects all four locations with each other and that only gets triggered by four specific huge square boulders and not by any kind of replacement that has the same size and/or weight. Even for the OPverse I find that over the top as you would have to visit all those locations.

So personally I don't really favor this possibility as I seriously doubt these four locations were created intentionally. I think it just happens so that Raftel is located exactly on the crosspoint of four other islands if you would connect them with each other and they used that as a means to find Raftel. If only the contents of those four poneglyph matter, you can use their information to create a map. Then you need to be able to insert that map into an overall map of the New World and if you succeed at that, you know where Raftel is and to achieve this result, you don't have to move anymore. You can assemble the map as long as you have the info. This system is also much more safe as you are forced to find all the info of the four poneglyph, you can't really rig it. That's different if there was such a huge mechanism.

Ahh okay.. I see what you mean... that does make sense.

My main reasoning though, was because imo, I thought it was better to use Observation Haki to actually see people (the white aura thing.. the same way that Fujitora "sees" people) rather than just hear people..

IMO I thought Seeing > Hearing when it came to Observation Haki..
They pretty much come down to the exact same thing. Oda worked around the concept of Haki in quite a weird way. Post-time skip everyone who uses Armaments, gets a black color, but that never happened pre-time skip. Despite this the results were exactly the same in both pre as post-time skip. I never understood why exactly Oda made what seems to be a huge contradiction as I can't imagine he did it by accident. So I started to think he wanted us to perceive the concept of Haki pre-time skip the same way how the Strawhats did: they didn't or barely knew what it was and Oda visually represented that and he did that the same way with the Observation Haki. He only starting clearly showing people as white aura post-time skip, but it already happened pre-time skip. Hearing and seeing are two sides of the same coin, you can't hear someone without having it being tied to a location. Otherwise it doesn't make sense. This was portrayed quite clearly during the Skypiea arc and also during Marineford: Cobi and the girl felt people voices disappear all around them. It's rather useless to hear voices if you don't know where they come from.

The two can't be seen independently, so there's really no such thing as seeing > hearing or seeing < hearing. It's likely however that the further away someone is going from you, you probably first will lose the ability to hear him before the ability to see. Being able to hear and see people over long distances, is highly OP. That's what Enel did by amplifying his haki with his DF and as a result he could hear and see everyone on Skypeia and bring immediate punishment on anyone who even talked bad about him. Simply the act of seeing someone from a long distance has been portrayed regularly.
 

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They pretty much come down to the exact same thing. Oda worked around the concept of Haki in quite a weird way. Post-time skip everyone who uses Armaments, gets a black color, but that never happened pre-time skip. Despite this the results were exactly the same in both pre as post-time skip. I never understood why exactly Oda made what seems to be a huge contradiction as I can't imagine he did it by accident. So I started to think he wanted us to perceive the concept of Haki pre-time skip the same way how the Strawhats did: they didn't or barely knew what it was and Oda visually represented that and he did that the same way with the Observation Haki. He only starting clearly showing people as white aura post-time skip, but it already happened pre-time skip. Hearing and seeing are two sides of the same coin, you can't hear someone without having it being tied to a location. Otherwise it doesn't make sense. This was portrayed quite clearly during the Skypiea arc and also during Marineford: Cobi and the girl felt people voices disappear all around them. It's rather useless to hear voices if you don't know where they come from.

The two can't be seen independently, so there's really no such thing as seeing > hearing or seeing < hearing. It's likely however that the further away someone is going from you, you probably first will lose the ability to hear him before the ability to see. Being able to hear and see people over long distances, is highly OP. That's what Enel did by amplifying his haki with his DF and as a result he could hear and see everyone on Skypeia and bring immediate punishment on anyone who even talked bad about him. Simply the act of seeing someone from a long distance has been portrayed regularly.
Well.. not really though..

In a fight/battle, specifically, being able to see is much more advantageous then only being able to hear.
 
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