[VS] Strawhats + allies vs Marineford Navy

[OG sama]

You do realize Luffy can be weaker than Garp and the Admirals and still become PK? Requirements to be PK are be captain of the crew that finds One Piece and sails all over the world. Yes, surpassing those people yields great chance of that,but it's not completely necessary. There's also the fact that Roger and Garp almost killed each other, but neither could finish the other, which means about even strength. That alone disproves the fanmade notion that PK>everyone.

Your logic man its completely gone isn't it.

Listen and listen closely, you may not need to be the strongest in the world to become PK but you would have to be strong as hell to beat guys like Current BB and the future SNs to actually accomplish this goal.

You would have to be fooling your self to think Luffy is just going to sneak his way to one piece without a challenge.

 

[Vandenre1ch]

The Marines win. Against the entire WG, they win even harder.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Your logic man its completely gone isn't it.

Listen and listen closely, you may not need to be the strongest in the world to become PK but you would have to be strong as hell to beat guys like Current BB and the future SNs to actually accomplish this goal.

You would have to be fooling your self to think Luffy is just going to sneak his way to one piece without a challenge.

The real lack of logic is you thinking the fighting in a war is gonna be one vs one bouts the entire time till someone loses. Cuz that's how Marineford went down right? Everyone paired up and didn't stop until someone lost. And it definitely makes sense for it to be that way in bigger, more hectic war.

And who says Teach is gonna be the strongest enemy EOS? You're doing NOTHING but guessing, and you've actually gotten yourself to think you know exactly how the end will go down. I guess we'll both be preparing for disappointments.

 

[OG sama]

The real lack of logic is you thinking the fighting in a war is gonna be one vs one bouts the entire time till someone loses. Cuz that's how Marineford went down right? Everyone paired up and didn't stop until someone lost. And it definitely makes sense for it to be that way in bigger, more hectic war.

And who says Teach is gonna be the strongest enemy EOS? You're doing NOTHING but guessing, and you've actually gotten yourself to think you know exactly how the end will go down. I guess we'll both be preparing for disappointments.

Never said it was.He's going to have his one on one fights regardless though and he's going to have allies to deal with every one else. They were trying to save Ace at MF by the way, everyones going to be after the PK in this war obviously. But his allies aren't letting that happen.

So the guy who has a DF that's been said to be able to destroy the world + a DF that negates other DF powers won't possibly be the strongest man in the world? You are definitely grasping.

 

[saw2097]

Its been pretty beaten into the ground that Luffy will eventually overthrow not only the Yonkos but the entire World Government.

1. Its been noted by White Beard gave that huge speech before he died where he basically said that the new King of the Pirates would destroy the World Government.

2. Chinjao said you have to not only find the One Piece but overthrow all of the Yonkos and the admirals, as the King of the Pirates must defeat all the other Kings.

3. Not much point to having Luffy's father be the head of a revolution if the revolution isn't going to happen.

As for if the group above is strong enough to do the job, they will likely have one other supernova or all of them (depending on how Luffy deals with the other supernovas).

 

[WoldOfFingo]

In allies I'm counting:

Crew
Jinbe
Shanks + Crew
Whitebeard Pirates
Sabo
Crocodile
Ivankov
Bentham
Boa Hancock + crew
Rayleigh
Cavendish
Bartolomeo
Happou Navy
Rest of the Colosseum warriors
Kyros
Law + crew
Fodders from all the islands they visited.


Is this force enough to stand up against the Navy?

(purposely left out Dragon because we haven't seen him interact with Luffy yet)

The marines still have more top tiers (admiral level)

Shanks is the only legit absolute top tier of that list

People like Jinbei, Sai, Cavendish, Croco etc should be countered by the stronger VA's

Marines would still slaughter

Marco,
Rayleigh and Sabo are close but not enough

The marines have
Akainu
Fujitora
Kizaru
New admiral
Garp and Sengoku
Mihawk

That's already 5-7 top tiers. Compared to the pirates 2-3 at most

 

[Tomato God]

Wtf where did you get this ridiculous assumption? With that logic, Luffy and allies are going to lose to the WG come EOS considering the man won't have 4 Yonkos helping him out from what we have seen.

Not to mention Law was added and he will definitely be a Yonko level pirate come EOS. So that is in fact 4.

Zoro will be yonko+ level
Sanji will be yonko+ level
Robin brook and franky will be yonko level
Nami and chopper will be admiral+ level
And usopp is a god.


I think at EOS we will be fine

 

[OG sama]

Zoro will be yonko+ level
Sanji will be yonko+ level
Robin brook and franky will be yonko level
Nami and chopper will be admiral+ level
And usopp is a god.


I think at EOS we will be fine

Zoro and Sanji I can agree with, as much as I want all of them to be Top tiers its probably not going to happen. But I wouldn't call it unlikely either.

There power come EOS is going to knock some socks off that's for sure. I hope they exceed all expectations.

 

[Tomato God]

Zoro and Sanji I can agree with, as much as I want all of them to be Top tiers its probably not going to happen. But I wouldn't call it unlikely either.

There power come EOS is going to knock some socks off that's for sure. I hope they exceed all expectations.

Look at the previous crew of the previous pk all monsters whose friends are monsters
Except buggy ofc but buggy wasn't even a main crew member show by no one remembering him.

 

[ehsanmasood]

Hard to say for the time being. Most of them wouldn't fight each other. Example Mihawk vs Shanks not going to happen and neither is Luffy vs Garp. If it was Simulation then Marines are too strong right now.
Shanks + Whitebeard Pirates + Reyleigh + Boa are only pirates above, same or close to the Admiral level. Marines have members higher then admiral. Just my opinion.

 

[Naruto Power]

pk will have to be the strongest. but like pointy head guy said you think your haki "will " is the strongest
now luffy has trained with shank
i think he will now train haki with sabo
i think garp trained dragon trained sabo, sabo trains luffy
this way luffy gets the haki training from both rogers side and the wg side that stood up to the pk
also on the wg side you have to remember the room of old guys that control everything when they come to fight it will be the great.
with luffys haki training he will not have to use that level again for a while and when he does it will be even stronger.

 

[keshav31]

The Marines are already strong. They defeated the WB pirates with two healthy admirals remaining, Sengoku, Garp and the warlords. We have no clue how powerful Greenbull is. If anything, Oda is making Luffy have a lot of alliances so he doesn't get man handled in the final arc with the overwhelming amount of power the Marines have.

Well if navy fight WB in his prime then they had no chance of saving marine ford.Also I think when these all combine they just not only fight navy but also CP(0-9) i.e. World govt which consist of 170 countries & nobles of marijo as well.

 

[Spha]

If luffy could manage to defeat Blackbeard then that means the government wil be nothing at all, his crew come EOS will have 5 or 6 Yonko level crewmates, Zoro and Sanji will be up there, that's for sure and mybe if they get another crewmate as well, and this thing about Shanks dyin is exxagerated, so far Oda only killed Ace and Whitebeard who are monstrous strong, even villians don't die on this series...

So the world Government won't have a chance if Luffy becomes Pirate king and manage to defeat BB.....Zoro will absolutly become Yonko level, Sanji as well, Dragon is a monster, Luffy might not even surpuss Sabo, aokiji will also fight against the government, even fujitora if they learn about One Piece true Origin, the Government will be defeated by One Piece, becouse SH's will find more Allies even withn the Government.

 

[sravan]

I think EOS SH's will be atleast admiral level
The top 3 or 4 will be above admiral level
1.luffy (strongest)
2.zorro
3.sanji
4.zimbei- if he joins the crew

luffy has more allies than WB but they are not strong right now but EOS they will all become strong enough to hold off V.A's
I believe WG will be defeated in the hands of SH's for sure

 

[jiraiya lives]

Navy... They have 3 admirals, fleet admiral, like 20+ pacifista's, brainless kuma, Mihawk, 7th warlord, VA's (most aren't that powerful but they are still stronger than most of the weaker pirates and non haki using pirates on luffy's side)

That's already 5 or 6 top tiers (depending on how strong the 7th warlord is but I speculate he's around Fuji's level)..

The only top tiers on luffy's side are Shanks, Rayleigh, and Marco and Beckman.. And in my opinion it takes a top tier to beat another top tier or at least 3 high tiers to beat a top tier. Shanks will have his hands tied with Mihawk, Akainu beats old rayleigh imo, Marco stalls kizaru but eventually loses, Beckman vs fuji could go either way. Greenbull just sits back lol

People like Sabo, Jozu, Luffy and law may be able to gang up on the other 2 top tiers but I don't see it being enough considering it took both Luffy and law to beat dofly who isn't even top tier.

 

[giostep]

I dont see it being easy for the SH, or the Gov. It wont be a stomp.
+ Luffy needs to be within the top 5 fighters for him to be PK, it just makes sense, along with his Genetic Lineage it also makes sense.
+ Assuming Kidd, and Law are suppose o round out the Monster trio (Roger, WB, and Garp) then then they too will have to be of similar Strength and ability to Luffy.
+ I would like to say that Zoro is to Luffy what Rayleign was to Rodger. Along with the fact that he will be the next Greatest Swordsman alive.
+ If Killer is suppose to be Zoro's next big ival when it comes to sword mastery in the SN then he too will have to be pretty damn strong.
+ Keep in mind that as far as Pre-time skip is concerned Basil Hawkins was the "3rd" strongest of the SN if we rank by Bounty. So he too will more than likey end up playing a greater role.
+ There will still be BB and his crew and the other Yonkou, along with the Rev.

We cannot assume that the Pirates will alliance with each other. But we can assume that none of them will side with the WG.

Law, Luffy, Kidd, and someone else (Possibly Sabo representing Revolutionary and taking vengeance for Ace) will be as strong as Akainu, Greenbull, Fuji, and Barsolino. I dont think Garp and Sengoku will participate (my opinion). Boa handock is allied with SH, and besides Mihawk the rest of the worlords arent really that strong, or maybe i should rephrase that, they are not strong enough to be a huge threat. Mihawk will more than likely be fighting Zoro most of the time, unless there fight takes place before then, which im undecided about. Not to mention that more than likely it will be at least 2 SN and there Allys. Mihawk noted Luffys ability to get people to help him, this should not be taken litely when deciding who will and will not help him when it comes to the WG.

Regaurdless it will be an Extreme diff fight. No one will crogstomp anyone. Keeping in mind that WG will have the upperhand most of the fight, as with all of Luffys major opponents. Will he win? Yes. Will it be easy? No. Oh yea he also has all the seakings on his side (well on fishman islands side, but they are his allies).

 

[bajram]

Zoro will be yonko+ level
Sanji will be yonko+ level
Robin brook and franky will be yonko level
Nami and chopper will be admiral+ level
And usopp is a god.


I think at EOS we will be fine

This is literally just how stupid can ones post get, its a complete new level of stupidity.

 

[jiraiya lives]

Zoro will be yonko+ level
Sanji will be yonko+ level
Robin brook and franky will be yonko level
Nami and chopper will be admiral+ level
And usopp is a god.


I think at EOS we will be fine

I don't see this happening. There's always been balance in OP, Even when Roger was king of pirates there were still forces that had the potential to take him out (WG, WB plus Crew, Shiki's fleet). If the strawhats become that powerful then it'll completely break the power balance of OP and this will become more like DBZ. At EoS I see Luffy being the strongest alive yes but there will be at least 2-3 rival pirates on his level with crews that could potentially push his (Kidd, Law, and mayyybe Drake). IMO EoS Zorro and Sanji will be weaker than EoS kidd and law but not by much.