Stop! with the "all rinnegans = immune to visual genjutsu" nonsense

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1. what exactly is the '''proof''' that rinnegan alone is enough to shield itself from genjutsu? let's stop the Bullsh!t cause we ALL know that sasuke's '''full power''' rinnegan is what kept him from being effected by infinite tsukuyomi.

2. now with the black zetsu quoting that the "rinnegan?" shielded him from tsukuyomi. but notice he stated it in a question mark. surely someone as wise and '''"been there since the beginning"''' would know that rinnegan is immune to V-gen. therefore zetsu doesn't understand the '''difference''' between rinnegan and sasuke's rinnegan. (and fyi, each rinnegan have some exclusive abilities)

3. what exactly is this "full power rinnegan"? it's obvious that the rinnegan with the "sharingan tomoes''' is the full powered version or atleast the superior version of base rinnegan. the very same form in which zetsu was questioning.

4. where is my proof that seperates base to Fullpowered rinnegan besides visual changes? in naruto GAIDEN arc, when sasuke was with hokage naruto, sarada and orochimaru. he quoted ''finally my eye power(s) have come back" (plural)and naruto followed with ''your eye power(s) weakened?" you can call it assumptions all you like, but i find his immunity to gen to be one of these powers. and even if it's not, that statement still holds more weight than blindly stating any rinnegan is immune to tsukuyomi. that's just my input




5. also...let's get to the point of tsukuyomi(itachi uses). tsukyomi is UNBREAKABLE. it cannot be broken unless quote by itachi himself in pts '''"tsukuyomi cannot be beaten, only a sharingan user with the same blood as me can defeat me"''' (sasuke uchiha exclusive) now whether or not by "blood" he meant family or uchiha clan is unknown. but one thing is for certain. kakashi and nagato are neither of those. now you can pull the whole kaguya lineage nonsense. but that's just too far of an assumption, so that comes to conclusion. if tsukuyomi is unbreakable except to uchiha sharingan users, then why would nagato not be included just because he has rinnegan? that makes no sense, even by naruto standards.



FINAL: i haven't read the english databook cause it's so hard to find one online and honestly, unless i buy one, i'm not trusting any source. i've heard rumors someone named "lightsnake" manipulated the translation in favor of nagato to have him immuned to genjutsu. i'm not an itachi fanboy. i'm perfectly fine with sasuke having an out to tsukuyomi, but i do not approve of desperate nagato fanboys trying to leech on sasuke's '''blessed''' uchiha AND indra successor feats over something as petty as one question mark quote that says "rinnegan". for all i know, he could've just been talking about the class. like how EMS is a sharingan? yes, '''MS and EMS have several times been called just straight up sharingans''' in the manga. not every time will they go in detail and call it by it's tier (correct) names.



BONUS: sasuke does not have tsukuyomi. he only has a stronger generic visual genjutsu with his MS, '''no time manipulation''' according to danzo. so don't try to pull the whole "Killer B countered tsukuyomi". it's been debunked.

 

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Nice thread.

He has tsukuyomi its just waaay ****ing away from Lord Crow's usage. Or Danzo would've said something entirely different and objectively state it's not tsukuyomi and tbh it wouldn't look like tsuku' if it wasn't against Bee(needed his bijuu true) or vs Lord Crow's during DSM Kabuto fight.


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But it kinda makes sense for the Rinnegan to be highly resistant to ocular based genjutsu even if it's not "full power".

As the Sharingan eye Grows (tomoes, Ms, EMS, Rinnegan and so on), So does the ocular power in that eye. As the ocular power grows so does the strength of ocular based jutsu. I would think it's safe to assume along with the the offensive Ocular power growth, The Eyes power to see through/resist ocular based genjutsu increases also.

I wouldn't say the rinnegans are immune to visual genjutsu, Just Highly resistant due to it's superior ocular power over the sharingan and someone with a weaker ocular power would have problems casting and maintaining an visual genjutsu on someone whoes ocular power exceeds their own.

That's how i look at it anyway.
 

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A Rinnegan developed from the ground up would be. Only Nagato wouldn't be immune, as his eyes are transplants. He doesn't hold mastery over the underlying Sharingan stages. For an Uchiha, the chakra sprout at each mutation stage would be there in the brain, rendering all Visual Genjutsu useless.
 

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But it kinda makes sense for the Rinnegan to be highly resistant to ocular based genjutsu even if it's not "full power".

As the Sharingan eye Grows (tomoes, Ms, EMS, Rinnegan and so on), So does the ocular power in that eye. As the ocular power grows so does the strength of ocular based jutsu. I would think it's safe to assume along with the the offensive Ocular power growth, The Eyes power to see through/resist ocular based genjutsu increases also.

I wouldn't say the rinnegans are immune to visual genjutsu, Just Highly resistant due to it's superior ocular power over the sharingan and someone with a weaker ocular power would have problems casting and maintaining an visual genjutsu on someone whoes ocular power exceeds their own.

That's how i look at it anyway.
talk to em. Itachi made that clear.
 

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^ Yeah, most people are still oblivious to the fact that it's a failed translation.
So it seems.

Sasuke showed that rinnegan users are immune to it
Sasuke showed that Tomoe Rinnegan users are immune to it. Tomoe Rinnegan =/= Rinnegan. It could be possible that Rinnegan users are immune to it, but Sasuke being resistant isn't the most credible proof.
 
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