Stop excluding edo tensei

[RaitonOniKairRasengan]

^^ Stupidity at its finest. Edo tensei is like fighting with a bully and you tell your friends to jump in. That's a ***** move and defeats the purpose of you even accepting a fight one on one to begin with. And when did I ever say that I give EMS to Sasuke or Madara un a 1 v 1 fight? Go back and show it to me. Kurama is not Naruto's power whether you want to believe or not is up to you. I really don't care.

Your example was awful. So none of you guys think sasoris puppets that retain their shinobis power yet are controlled 100% by sasori part of his power? Fail logic. Edo tensei is just like a summoning, its in their arsenal as a ninja tool. Same with kurama, naruto is CONTROLLING kuramas chakra therefore it is his. Just like madara before him. If you want to get literal with it all powers in naruto could be looked at as borrowed except hashiramas For example: EMS, rinnegan(excluding madara)Any bijuu, hashi cells, etc.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

Your example was awful. So none of you guys think sasoris puppets that retain their shinobis power yet are controlled 100% by sasori part of his power? Fail logic. Edo tensei is just like a summoning, its in their arsenal as a ninja tool. Same with kurama, naruto is CONTROLLING kuramas chakra therefore it is his. Just like madara before him. If you want to get literal with it all powers in naruto could be looked at as borrowed except hashiramas For example: EMS, rinnegan(excluding madara)Any bijuu, hashi cells, etc.

^^^This pretty much ends the thread. This is all so true whether people like or not.

 

[Draphsin]

^^^This pretty much ends the thread. This is all so true whether people like or not.

Despite what he said, my points still stand

This thread isnt dead yet O_O

 

[Stark]

What happened to your rep bar?

 

[Sephy100]

Your example was awful. So none of you guys think sasoris puppets that retain their shinobis power yet are controlled 100% by sasori part of his power? Fail logic. Edo tensei is just like a summoning, its in their arsenal as a ninja tool. Same with kurama, naruto is CONTROLLING kuramas chakra therefore it is his. Just like madara before him. If you want to get literal with it all powers in naruto could be looked at as borrowed except hashiramas For example: EMS, rinnegan(excluding madara)Any bijuu, hashi cells, etc.

Naruto is controlling Kurama's power? Are we reading the same manga? Time and time again he's either borrowed it or was given to him when he was getting his ass kicked to save him or forcibly taking it. It's only recently that he and Kurama came to terms that Naruto can freely use his chakra.

And why won't you understand that edo tensei is a summoning jutsu that summons people to use their own mind to make up complex techniques and strategies and use their abilities to the fullest. You can't use Sasori because the puppets are dead and have to be controlled via strings for them to do anything. Sure you can force the revived people to bend to your will but unlike Sasori they have the ability to move how they want.

Why do you think Edo Tensei is called the Reanimation Jutsu.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

Naruto is controlling Kurama's power? Are we reading the same manga? Time and time again he's either borrowed it or was given to him when he was getting his ass kicked to save him or forcibly taking it. It's only recently that he and Kurama came to terms that Naruto can freely use his chakra.

And why won't you understand that edo tensei is a summoning jutsu that summons people to use their own mind to make up complex techniques and strategies and use their abilities to the fullest. You can't use Sasori because the puppets are dead and have to be controlled via strings for them to do anything. Sure you can force the revived people to bend to your will but unlike Sasori they have the ability to move how they want.

Why do you think Edo Tensei is called the Reanimation Jutsu.

They have the ability to move if they want if you give them free will. Or instead you can control them. Have you been reading or watching Naruto all it isn't that hard to understand how Edo Tensei works. Also they can't use their abilities to their fullest yet again have you been reading Naruto lately Hashirama and Tobimara aren't at there 100% it even said it in the manga. And by using your logic a ninja who has chakra isn't their power. It was past down from his/her parents which go all the way back to their great ancestors and so on.

 

[Draphsin]

Have you been reading or watching Naruto at all?

If you think that kabuto can use his edo's freely in battle then I should be asking you the same question... o_o

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

These are part of their power, while Edo Tensei is .1% activating chakra to summon the dead and 99.9% the dead shinobi's power.

sharingan is hereditary power. the fighter did not earn it. ET however requires alot of chakra, prep time and the use of kuchiyose

Stupidity at its finest. Edo tensei is like fighting with a bully and you tell your friends to jump in. That's a ***** move and defeats the purpose of you even accepting a fight one on one to begin with. And when did I ever say that I give EMS to Sasuke or Madara un a 1 v 1 fight? Go back and show it to me. Kurama is not Naruto's power whether you want to believe or not is up to you. I really don't care.

kurama is wielded by naruto and answers to him directly. no different to one of jiraiya's toads. if ET is unfair so is any puppet or summoned animal. even akamaru was called little better than a ninja tool

Summoning jutsu isn't part of a shinobi's power either

its stated multiple times it is. if you can use it and it answers to you its your power

I want to see them fight, and want them to use only their skills. I don't wanna see anyone else barge in and defeat a more powerful shinobi for them...

then you should restrict summoning and puppets as well

He's just simply summoning someone to fight for him, because he's too *****y to fight the guy himself.

and why shouldnt he do this? hes a ninja not a goddamn samurai whos code demands he get his hands dirty

I'm arguing that, purely on a shinobi's individual strength, Edo Tensei is not included. People in versus threads include Edo Tensei, but it's not theirs, which is 99.9% wrong. If I were starting a versus thread, I would not include Jinchurikiship, Edo Tensei, nor summon techniques in the description.

but it would still be considered a jutsu of the combatant. never did anyone make a rule about no kurama for naruto. he simply wouldnt be the naruto we know today without being a jin

It's excluded because you're raising dead people who retained their jutsu's to fight for you. If it's one on one then it defeats the purpose of 1 v 1

the purpose of 1 vs 1 is a ninja vs another ninja when including all their various magics and tools. otherwise its just handicapped fighting which wouldnt give you a true idea of their power

Also, the strong shinobi which kabuto possesses (pretty much all of them), have the ability to resist full control as well...

i havent seen anyone do that. they only resisted the looser bindings (hanzo, zabuza, itachi).

 

[Sephy100]

They have the ability to move if they want if you give them free will. Or instead you can control them. Have you been reading or watching Naruto all it isn't that hard to understand how Edo Tensei works. Also they can't use their abilities to their fullest yet again have you been reading Naruto lately Hashirama and Tobimara aren't at there 100% it even said it in the manga. And by using your logic a ninja who has chakra isn't their power. It was past down from his/her parents which go all the way back to their great ancestors and so on.

Are you being serious about the chakra line because ninja are born with chakra. They are not born with jutsu. And you tried to use the whole Sasori bullshit but it backfired because Sasori is controlling puppets. Puppets don't move without strings.

Edo Tensei brings people back to life and they can't die and they don't run out of chakra. They can move by themselves. They can think for themselves. Unless you take away their free will. Point is that's why it's banned. You can't use a jutsu that brings back people with their jutsu's as well as unlimited chakra and not being able to be killed, only sealed.

 

[Draphsin]

i havent seen anyone do that. they only resisted the looser bindings (hanzo, zabuza, itachi).

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Every edo with a free will has the potential to resist control and contradict orders, or release themselves from the jutsu. Theres plenty of examples, please dont make me go digging U_U

Kabuto cant effectively control 30+ edos in the heat of battle, and to say that he can is a fanboyish statement...

 

[Vegeto30294]

I have no opinion on Edo Tensei, but lets put it this way:


Naruto vs Gaara

Naruto summons Gamabunta

Gaara kills Naruto

Gamabunta kills Gaara

Now did Naruto win the fight, or Gamabunta?


Or this way:

Kabuto vs Sasuke

Kabuto uses Edo Tensei and summons Itachi

Sasuke kills Kabuto

Edo Itachi kills Sasuke

Now did Kabuto win the fight, or Itachi?

 

[Senju Bean]

Unfair or not, it's part of Kabuto's power, well because, it's part of his power. This is so obvious it doesn't need any explaining.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

ere's only two types of bindings, with free will and without.

theres kabutos version of binding which is not completely to his will but puts them on auto defence. theres oros binding which is total control. theres kabutos final binding which is no control at all (madara)

Every edo with a free will has the potential to resist control and contradict orders, or release themselves from the jutsu

only one knows the seal to release themselves and would have done it if it was possible to do as soon as he was summoned. meaning kabuto put in him an order that stopped him disobeying kabuto. only one contradicted orders through sheer will (hanzo)

Kabuto cant effectively control 30+ edos in the heat of battle

doesnt need them except for juubi

Now did Kabuto win the fight, or Itachi?

itachi since he is kabuto's gamabunta. gamabunta did the blow but hes narutos summon.

 

[Slugger]

Summoning S rank ninja to fight for you.. Shows how strong you are. (Lame.)

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

how is it lame? hes a ninja not a samurai. you do whats necessary to win

 

[Draphsin]

theres kabutos version of binding which is not completely to his will but puts them on auto defence. theres oros binding which is total control. theres kabutos final binding which is no control at all (madara)

I proved you wrong yet you still deny it. Kabuto only has two types of edo's, some control with free will, and total control with none. But this doesnt matter anyways as my point still stands, if they have free will then you cant predict what they can do, or how they will react on the battlefield.

only one knows the seal to release themselves and would have done it if it was possible to do as soon as he was summoned. meaning kabuto put in him an order that stopped him disobeying kabuto. only one contradicted orders through sheer will (hanzo)

Stop being ignorant, you know what I meant. Sasori & Sai's brother released themselves from edo tensei just because they had their personalities intact, they released themselves....You know, as in freed? Gone to heaven.....? :sy:

And as for Hanzo, a ninja of his caliber can contradict orders, meaning that is still is possible, you cant take it as something that only hanzo can do. But even if you do, whats stopping hanzo from jumping in front of kabuto and activating his poison? Or better yet, whats stopping him from poisoning and paralyzing the other edos on the battlefield, therefore creating an opening for attack?

Furthermore, the fact that the edos have their personalities means 2 things:

1) That they'll be with kabuto, so if any ninja has a strong enough personality they can try to resist the restraint or even try to attack kabuto

2) That they'll be telling the enemy the counters to their moves and how to defeat them, forcing kabuto to fully control them which isnt even possible as it hasnt been shown

doesnt need them except for juubi

Actually, with the situations i explained, Madara, Hashi, Obito, Nagato, and Naruto can deal with any straggler edos


Also on one final note, if you still think that kabuto's bind on his edo's is so strong then I advise you to take a look at

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Kabuto isnt allowed anko in a battle without prep time, its even iffy to call kabutos edos "no" prep time but ill let it slide for arguments sake. Anyways, if people like hanzo can still resist and contradict orders even with the extra power from anko, then its just further proving that they cant all be controlled, fully or otherwise.

 

[Naruto D Luffy]

Nice thread but I disagree

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

proved you wrong yet you still deny it. Kabuto only has two types of edo's, some control with free will, and total control with none

kabuto proved you wrong. theres the total free will (madara). theres the controlling the body while keeping the consciousness to hurt the enemy emotionaly. and finally total control like with nagato and third raikage

Sasori & Sai's brother released themselves from edo tensei just because they had their personalities intact, they released themselves....

that was incomplete ET. once kabuto absorbed ankos chakra he was able to stop this from happening

Kabuto isnt allowed anko in a battle without prep time,

nor could he be stripped of that chakra in a fight since nearly all fights are comnbatants in their primes

 

[Draphsin]

kabuto proved you wrong. theres the total free will (madara). theres the controlling the body while keeping the consciousness to hurt the enemy emotionaly. and finally total control like with nagato and third raikage

No, you sir are missing the point (yet again ) Total control gets rid of their emotions, auto pilot and free will still have their personalities, so I say it again. My point still stands

that was incomplete ET. once kabuto absorbed ankos chakra he was able to stop this from happening.
nor could he be stripped of that chakra in a fight since nearly all fights are comnbatants in their primes

Wrong, you missed the part where he needs anko. She's necessary for the jutsu to stay active, he needs a living human. In a real battle he doesnt have a living human to use his jutsu properly, that counts as prep time.

Face it, kabuto cant use his edos in battle....

 

[HiddenSound]

I've realized that Edo Tensei being a part of Kabuto's own power is completely irrelevant. What matters is if he can use the Jutsu. If he can, and he uses that Jutsu to beat his opponent, then he wins, obviously. All is fair in love and war.