Stop Complaining about the animation!

[Umari Senju]

Oh, now, right? With their fan-animation like juubi? Obito's distored face most of the times? Madara with obito's eyes? or is just the general lack of detailing, pooor art work and average animation skills?

Now what you just mentioned is just sloppy editing. That stuff should have been caught and corrected in post production. But since they only have a week to get this stuff out they are probably rushed and overlook these things.

 

[Wolfus]

Nop u could have said this: Naruto has some bad to average to good to excellent Animation

That must a very different naruto you're watching.

 

[123fire]

Oh, now, right? With their fan-animation like juubi? Obito's distored face most of the times? Madara with obito's eyes? or is just the general lack of detailing, pooor art work and average animation skills?

About the fan animation juubi above i told u about the quality of the animators its Min Seop.... Which are Bad animators Obito's face is in motion and according to the animator/ Madara with Obito's eyes is a mistake and will be fixed with the DVD release plus in that particular episode the animation was very good(Saiko Asai)

 

[Wolfus]

Now what you just mentioned is just sloppy editing. That stuff should have been caught and corrected in post production. But since they only have a week to get this stuff out they are probably rushed and overlook these things.

All the things I mentioned are extremely important to classify the animation as "ugly" or "beautfiful". Besides, isn't the animator responsible for a big part of the art work, and some relevant part of detailing? So they're responsible for the crap we have as well.

 

[Umari Senju]

He cartoonized that battle, which not only didn't suit the situation he was supposed to describe, but didn't even suit the regular genre of the anime.

That style simply was the worst choice possible to intensify that battle.

Which is your opinion Wolfus. I personally love when animators do this. I don't find it sloppy at all but out of this world. Simply because you don't care for the style does not mean everyone else agrees with your taste. just as you don't agree with mine. I personally felt it made that particular portion of the battle far more intense. But again it is just my opinion and tastes when it comes to art.

I like the abstract style or the surreal.

 

[123fire]

That must a very different naruto you're watching.

I just explained above the qualities maaaaaan ur stubborn

 

[Wolfus]

About the fan animation juubi above i told u about the quality of the animators its Min Seop.... Which are Bad animators Obito's face is in motion and according to the animator/ Madara with Obito's eyes is a mistake and will be fixed with the DVD release plus in that particular episode the animation was very good(Saiko Asai)

Great, they manage to make bad animations even with a good "crew". Because what I describe is not a one time ocasion. It's the regular situation. There are some exceptions, in which the animation gets even worse, or gets much better.

But usually, most of the times, the animation is average, and I'm being soft.

 

[Wolfus]

Which is your opinion Wolfus. I personally love when animators do this. I don't find it sloppy at all but out of this world. Simply because you don't care for the style does not mean everyone else agrees with your taste. just as you don't agree with mine. I personally felt it made that particular portion of the battle far more intense. But again it is just my opinion and tastes when it comes to art.

I like the abstract style or the surreal.

Yes, just pretty everyone who doesn't wank the anime "happens" to agree with me. Which is logical. It's not simply my opinion. That momment was supposed to pass all of naruto's hatred and compare it to nagato's. It's an extremely dark momment.

That in the manga. The anime is supposed to be loyal to the ideas the manga wants to pass. A cartoonized animation, destroying physics and everything(for exemple, pain as a nail, or pain as roadrunner), doesn't pass that idea at all.

That's why you enver see dark heavy momments being represented in a cartoon style. It doesn't fit, because cartoons doesn't usually fit those situations.

 

[Umari Senju]

Yes, just pretty everyone who doesn't wank the anime "happens" to agree with me. Which is logical. It's not simply my opinion. That momment was supposed to pass all of naruto's hatred and compare it to nagato's. It's an extremely dark momment.

That in the manga. The anime is supposed to be loyal to the ideas the manga wants to pass. A cartoonized animation, destroying physics and everything(for exemple, pain as a nail, or pain as roadrunner), doesn't pass that idea at all.

That's why you enver see dark heavy momments being represented in a cartoon style. It doesn't fit, because cartoons doesn't usually fit those situations.

You're being biased and stubborn about your opinion completely ignoring the fact that not everyone shares your opinion. Which is what art is all about!

You say I and others wank the anime. An incorrect assumption. Most of the time, I can't stand the Anime. Too many fillers, stupid dialog, too many flashbacks for the sake of dragging out an episode as to not overshoot the manga.

That being said I can still enjoy the anime and the style of animation even with it's flaws without chastizing others who do not share my like or dislike of this particular style.

Don't be belligerant about this. You don't like the style they use that's fine. Many would agree with you....


....at the same time many disagree with your view. That doesn't make your opinion on the matter the absolute truth is all I am trying to say.

@ part in Bold: Incorrect. Again I refer you to the Animatrix short "Kids Story" A very dark moment in which Kid commits suicide was done in this same abstract way and it didn't take away from the serious and dark overtones in anyway. In fact this particular anime won a few Film Festival awards, So again not everyone agrees with your view of what is considered quality animation.

 

[Kirokill]

About the fan animation juubi above i told u about the quality of the animators its Min Seop.... Which are Bad animators Obito's face is in motion and according to the animator/ Madara with Obito's eyes is a mistake and will be fixed with the DVD release plus in that particular episode the animation was very good(Saiko Asai)

So they were using presets for eyes eh? I thought it was intentional because it takes longer time to draw eyes differently than the same. I'm still confused how did they mess it up. Seems it was pretty noticeable not to mention the time they took without realizing it even if took them mere minutes.

 

[Wolfus]

You're being biased and stubborn about your opinion completely ignoring the fact that not everyone shares your opinion. Which is what art is all about!

You say I and others wank the anime. An incorrect assumption. Most of the time, I can't stand the Anime. Too many fillers, stupid dialog, too many flashbacks for the sake of dragging out an episode as to not overshoot the manga.

That being said I can still enjoy the anime and the style of animation even with it's flaws without chastizing others who do not share my like or dislike of this particular style.

Don't be bellergant about this. You don't like the style they use that's fine. Many would agree with you....


....at the same time many disagree with your view. That doesn't make your opinion on the matter the absolute truth is all I am trying to say.

Ok, so your main argument here is saying this is subjective? Not a great plan.
Art, speacilly animation, is also about solid details, well drawn art work, and smooth animation. We don't see that in naruto that much.

This is what makes the animation be considered good or bad in several occasions. You can't just ignor the animation analysis and claim "oh, it's subjective".

Also, the pain situation is not my opinion, as I logically explained to you why that style didn't suit that setting.

I didn't say you directly wank it. I said "pretty much" everyone, which means that barely anyone disagrees with it without being a wakner. It's not 100% though.

You're right, my opinion is not thr absolute truth. But whoever has more "backup"(arguments, exemples, logic, etc) to his opinion is the one most likely to be correct.

And that's art!!! The art of argumentation.

 

[Umari Senju]

Ok, so your main argument here is saying this is subjective? Not a great plan.
Art, speacilly animation, is also about solid details, well drawn art work, and smooth animation. We don't see that in naruto that much.

This is what makes the animation be considered good or bad in several occasions. You can't just ignor the animation analysis and claim "oh, it's subjective".

Also, the pain situation is not my opinion, as I logically explained to you why that style didn't suit that setting.

I didn't say you directly wank it. I said "pretty much" everyone, which means that barely anyone disagrees with it without being a wakner. It's not 100% though.

You're right, my opinion is not thr absolute truth. But whoever has more "backup"(arguments, exemples, logic, etc) to his opinion is the one most likely to be correct.

And that's art!!! The art of argumentation.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said the animation was not without mistakes. As you pointed out and I agreed with the thing with the eyes, Obito's face changing these were all mistakes and yes take away from the quality of the animation to be sure. But you act like Naruto is the only popular anime that has ever done this. There a ton of anime's and western animations that are faulty of the very same thing. Popular ones too like Avatar, Xmen, Batman, etc.

In the case of the pain arc you mention. That is subjective. you call it shotty animation because you did not like the style. This style was not a mistake it was intentional and thus subjective. You say it doesn't fit the situation or "tone" this is not proof but your opinion as I disagreed and thought it went perfectly with the situation.

But yes this is art and art should lead to debate as everone has their own way of looking at it and their own opinions of it.

 

[Wolfus]

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said the animation was not without mistakes. As you pointed out and I agreed with the thing with the eyes, Obito's face changing these were all mistakes and yes take away from the quality of the animation to be sure. But you act like Naruto is the only popular anime that has ever done this. There a ton of anime's and western animations that are faulty of the very same thing. Popular ones too like Avatar, Xmen, Batman, etc.

In the case of the pain arc you mention. That is subjective. you call it shotty animation because you did not like the style. This style was not a mistake it was intentional and thus subjective. You say it doesn't fit the situation or "tone" this is not proof but your opinion as I disagreed and thought it went perfectly with the situation.

But yes this is art and art should lead to debate as everone has their own way of looking at it and their own opinions of it.

I'm not saying you said that. I'm simply proving my point.
Yes I agree. However, I'm not saying naruto is the only anime or famous animation in which this happens. But it is the one in which happens most, and they can't keep a good general quality in the regular episode.

It's not that subjective. The animation was cartoonized, that's a fact. It has all the characteristics of cartoon-like animation. For f*ck's sake, pain became the roadrunner at one point, and a nail in a previous point. That's cartoonized.

The main idea of cartoon-like animation is to pass humor by distorting the characters, the physics, and even logic, in a way. Even if it's not humor, it gives the idea of a let's say "not serious" situation.

That's the characteristc of that kind of animation. This is nothing more than a fact, it's not my opinion.

Now, my opinion is that that animation didn't suit that momment. My argument is the fact above plus the fact that the pain fight is dark momment in the series, specially when naruto becomes the kyuubi.

 

[123fire]

Please don't put words in my mouth. I never said the animation was not without mistakes. As you pointed out and I agreed with the thing with the eyes, Obito's face changing these were all mistakes and yes take away from the quality of the animation to be sure. But you act like Naruto is the only popular anime that has ever done this. There a ton of anime's and western animations that are faulty of the very same thing. Popular ones too like Avatar, Xmen, Batman, etc.

In the case of the pain arc you mention. That is subjective. you call it shotty animation because you did not like the style. This style was not a mistake it was intentional and thus subjective. You say it doesn't fit the situation or "tone" this is not proof but your opinion as I disagreed and thought it went perfectly with the situation.

But yes this is art and art should lead to debate as everone has their own way of looking at it and their own opinions of it.

Stop replying to him it looks like he's stubborn so let him be

 

[Wolfus]

Stop replying to him it looks like he's stubborn so let him be

Dude, we're discussing, not arguing? Do you see we insulting each other? No? Then what's the problem. That's the point of website: to discuss.

 

[Gokuy]

i think its just the artowrk, the animation is the right speed

 

[Grimsaw666]

People should quit *****ing, I took an animation class a couple times. It aint easy I wish my shit looked half as good as Nardos animation. so unless you can do a better job at animating, I say shut the **** up already. at least it doesn't look like 12 oz mouse or some shit like that

 

[FourthSmokage]

M8 that Hokage Barrier TBB scene looks like it was made in Paint

I'll complain all I want, not that it will make a difference. The animation will remain shite.

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Theyve had 373 episodes to fix their animation but it still fails miserably in comparison to stuff like Hunter x Hunter.

 

[Grimsaw666]

M8 that Hokage Barrier TBB scene looks like it was made in Paint

I'll complain all I want, not that it will make a difference. The animation will remain shite.

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Theyve had 373 episodes to fix their animation but it still fails miserably in comparison to stuff like Hunter x Hunter.

This I will agree with..I was like the FAQ? is this? I could do this shit myself xD

 

[123fire]

M8 that Hokage Barrier TBB scene looks like it was made in Paint

I'll complain all I want, not that it will make a difference. The animation will remain shite.

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Theyve had 373 episodes to fix their animation but it still fails miserably in comparison to stuff like Hunter x Hunter.

It seems ur an idiot, the animators of this episode suck and i wrote his name and his quality, and still u complain , the point of the thread is that not all episodes suck and that the great animators are more than the bad ones! Hunterxhunter is a shirt anime...