Stating the Obvious - Tobirama is the Weakest Hokage!

[Koibito]

Very true sir, with the knowledge we have now i would say that it is indeed safe to assume that Tobirama is the weakest or at least least important of the kage.

 

[SasukexNeji]

Sorry if this is sorta poorly strung together - im a little drunk while making this thread...

Note: THIS is NOT a Hashi Vs. Hiruzen Thread - PLEASE take hate/flame ELSEWHERE

I will go in order of Hokage to signifiy each Kage's power and significance in order to prove that Tobirama is the weakest Hokage ever!

Hashirama:
Praised by madara s being legendary - Tobirama is detailed to be damaging to the landscape of the world - he has total control over different tailed beasts through his wood release technique - and further sealing techniques.
He is also known to have healing abilities as Madara mentions that Tsunade's Yin release technique is very similair to that of Hashirama's healing abilities...
The wood release is a unique abilitiy that makes Hashirama> Tobirama...

Hiruzen:
Praised as the god of shinobi - Hiruzen's knowledge of ninjutsu and abilities are surpassed by few (not a hashi vs hiruzen thread!!) - he was able to take on Oro + 1st + 2nd all at the same time - and if they had not of been Edo - he would have taken them out through...even something as small as a paper bomb.
How an old man - not in his prime - managed to take out two former Hokage's + oro is totally beyond my understanding but somehow he managed it - albiet by the exchange for his life through RDS (and his trump card)...
IF hiruzen had been at prime - he would have had a much easier time - being able to combat edo with his shadow clones - the observing anbu, hiruzens summon, and even hiruzen admit to this.
This is true demonstration of his power and deserves note!

Minato:
Minato is ultimately a baw5
He creates the Rasengan, FTG, and much MUCH more - (RDS) - he also takes down the 9 tails and manages to save the village through that. He takes on Tobi headon - and seems to do it pretty easily with his Time space (even after admitting the other was more advanced) - and uses his FTG to the full effect...
Rasengan - a technique used further by his son - is further developed into an awesome technique - the Rasenshuriken - an ability which would definitly not have been created if not for minato.
Since the rasengan was based on the TBB naruto would have also not learned how to harness the ability of the TBB with Kurama - and access the ability of both negative and positive forms of chakra for the TBB

A true demonstration of the scale of Minato's power lies in his foresight - and understanding/creation of the FTG...
Someone with his abilities manages to send a TBB to a safer place - not destroying the village...

Furthermore - Minato has the foresight to implant a small amount of kushina and his own essence into the RDS seal in order to aid Naruto in the future...
im pretty sure i didnt need to say all of that about minato because so many people are in love with him - but it was definitly worth it <3

Tsunade:
Tsunade is the person who implemente mediacl ninja into regular teams - she is the reason that so many ninja are still alive to fight another day!
She inherited the abilities of Yin Release techniques from her grandfather - and therefore became and extremely powerful opponent against Edo-madara - even breaking his Susano'o - an almost impossible feat...
She is truley a perfect choice for Kage - maybe not handling the paper work so well - but definitly being able to support her village where it really counted...even in comparison to the kage of other village such as mei or Garaa who lost faith in their abilities early on.
Tsunade's summons and therefore mass healing also compliments her abilities and enables her to be reinforced as a truley strong opponent - and DEFINITLY stronger than that of Tobirama...
Did i mention she was trained by the 3rd Hokage making her a SANNIN - and ONE of the STRONGEST ninja of ALL TIME!?
Tobirama hasnt had to deal with half the crap that Tsunade has in her time as Kage - INCLUDING the war! :sy:


To my knowledge - all Tobirama did was aid = not even major role = Hashi with creation of leaf...Create the Edo - which is causing endless problems this far into the series - and (as powerscaling is lessened in Part 1) - create water from nothing - which is a little feat for some ninja...


let the thread die - atleast read like the first 30 comments - admitted there wasn't grounds for my arguement but there isnt necesarily grounds to prove 100% against it either

You're an idiot.

 

[Naruto Boss]

we need more info about tobirama before we can conclude on that

 

[Scryed]

gold and silver brothers beat him and that guy darui or what is his name is beating the brothers in anime right now thats kinda weak

I would consider Darui's victory to be luck since apparently his most used word switched places with his second most used word. Otherwise, he would've gotten sealed but well, a victory is a victory. Even if it was luck that he didn't get sealed.

 

[karay]

maybe tobirama is strong like the rest of the hokages, its just that he's the only hokage who's not discussed much in the manga as the other hokages.

 

[NotAnyones FanBoy]

so your saying - just Tsunade - even with yin release which makes her practically INVINSIBLE for as long as her stored chakra will last...yeah ok...im sure that someone such as 2nd hokage - with limited range of moves can totally trump an almost unkillable woman with unstoppable strength...

its like u've never met a woman on her period :sy:

Tsunade sure is invincible in combat but not "undrownable". How does her seal prevent that. Just with Tobirama's water mastery i believe he could beat tsunade

 

[weelo]

where is it said, or has it been proven that hes the strongest water style user ever...and just because it was convenient that he was related to hashi - and became hokage because of it - doesnt make him stronger than Tsunade who was hand picked for the job!

Tobirama was primarily known for his mastery of Water Release. He could perform powerful water-style techniques in areas that lacked bodies of water by creating his own water out of thin air or producing it from his mouth, and perform some of the most complex water-style techniques, such as the Water Release: Water Dragon Bullet Technique, with a single hand seal. This amongst other reasons is why he is revered as the greatest known Water Release manipulator in the series.[9]

 

[maxwills]

I would love to see Hiruzen in his prime!

 

[RavingNeko]

you did a great job explaining it, however a person doesnt become a Kage for nothing... i respect your opinion tho

 

[TiddlySkydiver]

Not really fair seeing as how have seen much less from him than any other hokage.

 

[vicdrucker]

First off, Tsunade's mitotic regeneration and her physical brutality, can only go so far. She is clearly the weakest Hokage who, if I'm not mistaken, hasn't yet been the clear victor in any fight we've seen her participate in. Also, doesn't anyone think it a tad bit odd that we've been kept in the dark so much on Tobirama, despite the fact that he did CREATE the Edo Tensei (Which is a jutsu that grants one complete control over life and death) and shape the ninja world alongside his brother Hashirama? Curiously, you judge him as being weak without any adequate information to support that claim. Perhaps, Kishi has been purposely repressing information on him because when we do finally find out about him, it will be revolutionary. Just a thought.

 

[Some Guy]

considering how little we know about tobirama, this entire thread is invalid. We know very little about any of the kages abilities, other than hype. We have seen Tsunade fight the most, and all she has show is strength and healing abilities. Yes these ablities make her extremely hard to beat, but i cant say she can beat anyone until we see what they can really do. we have only seen tobirama in part 1, which powerlevels have increased 10 fold since then for everyone, so i disregard most part 1 feats while comparing people

 

[sage1999]

Sorry if this is sorta poorly strung together - im a little drunk while making this thread...

Note: THIS is NOT a Hashi Vs. Hiruzen Thread - PLEASE take hate/flame ELSEWHERE

I will go in order of Hokage to signifiy each Kage's power and significance in order to prove that Tobirama is the weakest Hokage ever!

Hashirama:
Praised by madara s being legendary - Tobirama is detailed to be damaging to the landscape of the world - he has total control over different tailed beasts through his wood release technique - and further sealing techniques.
He is also known to have healing abilities as Madara mentions that Tsunade's Yin release technique is very similair to that of Hashirama's healing abilities...
The wood release is a unique abilitiy that makes Hashirama> Tobirama...

Hiruzen:
Praised as the god of shinobi - Hiruzen's knowledge of ninjutsu and abilities are surpassed by few (not a hashi vs hiruzen thread!!) - he was able to take on Oro + 1st + 2nd all at the same time - and if they had not of been Edo - he would have taken them out through...even something as small as a paper bomb.
How an old man - not in his prime - managed to take out two former Hokage's + oro is totally beyond my understanding but somehow he managed it - albiet by the exchange for his life through RDS (and his trump card)...
IF hiruzen had been at prime - he would have had a much easier time - being able to combat edo with his shadow clones - the observing anbu, hiruzens summon, and even hiruzen admit to this.
This is true demonstration of his power and deserves note!

Minato:
Minato is ultimately a baw5
He creates the Rasengan, FTG, and much MUCH more - (RDS) - he also takes down the 9 tails and manages to save the village through that. He takes on Tobi headon - and seems to do it pretty easily with his Time space (even after admitting the other was more advanced) - and uses his FTG to the full effect...
Rasengan - a technique used further by his son - is further developed into an awesome technique - the Rasenshuriken - an ability which would definitly not have been created if not for minato.
Since the rasengan was based on the TBB naruto would have also not learned how to harness the ability of the TBB with Kurama - and access the ability of both negative and positive forms of chakra for the TBB

A true demonstration of the scale of Minato's power lies in his foresight - and understanding/creation of the FTG...
Someone with his abilities manages to send a TBB to a safer place - not destroying the village...

Furthermore - Minato has the foresight to implant a small amount of kushina and his own essence into the RDS seal in order to aid Naruto in the future...
im pretty sure i didnt need to say all of that about minato because so many people are in love with him - but it was definitly worth it <3

Tsunade:
Tsunade is the person who implemente mediacl ninja into regular teams - she is the reason that so many ninja are still alive to fight another day!
She inherited the abilities of Yin Release techniques from her grandfather - and therefore became and extremely powerful opponent against Edo-madara - even breaking his Susano'o - an almost impossible feat...
She is truley a perfect choice for Kage - maybe not handling the paper work so well - but definitly being able to support her village where it really counted...even in comparison to the kage of other village such as mei or Garaa who lost faith in their abilities early on.
Tsunade's summons and therefore mass healing also compliments her abilities and enables her to be reinforced as a truley strong opponent - and DEFINITLY stronger than that of Tobirama...
Did i mention she was trained by the 3rd Hokage making her a SANNIN - and ONE of the STRONGEST ninja of ALL TIME!?
Tobirama hasnt had to deal with half the crap that Tsunade has in her time as Kage - INCLUDING the war! :sy:


To my knowledge - all Tobirama did was aid = not even major role = Hashi with creation of leaf...Create the Edo - which is causing endless problems this far into the series - and (as powerscaling is lessened in Part 1) - create water from nothing - which is a little feat for some ninja...


let the thread die - atleast read like the first 30 comments - admitted there wasn't grounds for my arguement but there isnt necesarily grounds to prove 100% against it either

forgot that he can control sword of thunder.

 

[Dust realese]

Sorry if this is sorta poorly strung together - im a little drunk while making this thread...

Note: THIS is NOT a Hashi Vs. Hiruzen Thread - PLEASE take hate/flame ELSEWHERE

I will go in order of Hokage to signifiy each Kage's power and significance in order to prove that Tobirama is the weakest Hokage ever!

Hashirama:
Praised by madara s being legendary - Tobirama is detailed to be damaging to the landscape of the world - he has total control over different tailed beasts through his wood release technique - and further sealing techniques.
He is also known to have healing abilities as Madara mentions that Tsunade's Yin release technique is very similair to that of Hashirama's healing abilities...
The wood release is a unique abilitiy that makes Hashirama> Tobirama...

Hiruzen:
Praised as the god of shinobi - Hiruzen's knowledge of ninjutsu and abilities are surpassed by few (not a hashi vs hiruzen thread!!) - he was able to take on Oro + 1st + 2nd all at the same time - and if they had not of been Edo - he would have taken them out through...even something as small as a paper bomb.
How an old man - not in his prime - managed to take out two former Hokage's + oro is totally beyond my understanding but somehow he managed it - albiet by the exchange for his life through RDS (and his trump card)...
IF hiruzen had been at prime - he would have had a much easier time - being able to combat edo with his shadow clones - the observing anbu, hiruzens summon, and even hiruzen admit to this.
This is true demonstration of his power and deserves note!

Minato:
Minato is ultimately a baw5
He creates the Rasengan, FTG, and much MUCH more - (RDS) - he also takes down the 9 tails and manages to save the village through that. He takes on Tobi headon - and seems to do it pretty easily with his Time space (even after admitting the other was more advanced) - and uses his FTG to the full effect...
Rasengan - a technique used further by his son - is further developed into an awesome technique - the Rasenshuriken - an ability which would definitly not have been created if not for minato.
Since the rasengan was based on the TBB naruto would have also not learned how to harness the ability of the TBB with Kurama - and access the ability of both negative and positive forms of chakra for the TBB

A true demonstration of the scale of Minato's power lies in his foresight - and understanding/creation of the FTG...
Someone with his abilities manages to send a TBB to a safer place - not destroying the village...

Furthermore - Minato has the foresight to implant a small amount of kushina and his own essence into the RDS seal in order to aid Naruto in the future...
im pretty sure i didnt need to say all of that about minato because so many people are in love with him - but it was definitly worth it <3

Tsunade:
Tsunade is the person who implemente mediacl ninja into regular teams - she is the reason that so many ninja are still alive to fight another day!
She inherited the abilities of Yin Release techniques from her grandfather - and therefore became and extremely powerful opponent against Edo-madara - even breaking his Susano'o - an almost impossible feat...
She is truley a perfect choice for Kage - maybe not handling the paper work so well - but definitly being able to support her village where it really counted...even in comparison to the kage of other village such as mei or Garaa who lost faith in their abilities early on.
Tsunade's summons and therefore mass healing also compliments her abilities and enables her to be reinforced as a truley strong opponent - and DEFINITLY stronger than that of Tobirama...
Did i mention she was trained by the 3rd Hokage making her a SANNIN - and ONE of the STRONGEST ninja of ALL TIME!?
Tobirama hasnt had to deal with half the crap that Tsunade has in her time as Kage - INCLUDING the war! :sy:


To my knowledge - all Tobirama did was aid = not even major role = Hashi with creation of leaf...Create the Edo - which is causing endless problems this far into the series - and (as powerscaling is lessened in Part 1) - create water from nothing - which is a little feat for some ninja...


let the thread die - atleast read like the first 30 comments - admitted there wasn't grounds for my arguement but there isnt necesarily grounds to prove 100% against it either

Troll :flaw: (love sugar !!:ice plus we don't know much about tobrama my little troll

o\

 

[Ryuzaki Kaguya]

no, just no to this thread
its clear you dont have the ability to see how wrong you are friend :sy:
go home kid

 

[daichi takahashi]

Tobirama is boss as shit. He's a senju and he taught the 3rd hokage whichkishi said was pretty much the strongest ninjutsu user. Tobirama is also a master sensery type. And he knows space time jutsu so HAH!

 

[RockLee X Zabuza]

Sorry if this is sorta poorly strung together - im a little drunk while making this thread...

Note: THIS is NOT a Hashi Vs. Hiruzen Thread - PLEASE take hate/flame ELSEWHERE

I will go in order of Hokage to signifiy each Kage's power and significance in order to prove that Tobirama is the weakest Hokage ever!

Hashirama:
Praised by madara s being legendary - Tobirama is detailed to be damaging to the landscape of the world - he has total control over different tailed beasts through his wood release technique - and further sealing techniques.
He is also known to have healing abilities as Madara mentions that Tsunade's Yin release technique is very similair to that of Hashirama's healing abilities...
The wood release is a unique abilitiy that makes Hashirama> Tobirama...

Hiruzen:
Praised as the god of shinobi - Hiruzen's knowledge of ninjutsu and abilities are surpassed by few (not a hashi vs hiruzen thread!!) - he was able to take on Oro + 1st + 2nd all at the same time - and if they had not of been Edo - he would have taken them out through...even something as small as a paper bomb.
How an old man - not in his prime - managed to take out two former Hokage's + oro is totally beyond my understanding but somehow he managed it - albiet by the exchange for his life through RDS (and his trump card)...
IF hiruzen had been at prime - he would have had a much easier time - being able to combat edo with his shadow clones - the observing anbu, hiruzens summon, and even hiruzen admit to this.
This is true demonstration of his power and deserves note!

Minato:
Minato is ultimately a baw5
He creates the Rasengan, FTG, and much MUCH more - (RDS) - he also takes down the 9 tails and manages to save the village through that. He takes on Tobi headon - and seems to do it pretty easily with his Time space (even after admitting the other was more advanced) - and uses his FTG to the full effect...
Rasengan - a technique used further by his son - is further developed into an awesome technique - the Rasenshuriken - an ability which would definitly not have been created if not for minato.
Since the rasengan was based on the TBB naruto would have also not learned how to harness the ability of the TBB with Kurama - and access the ability of both negative and positive forms of chakra for the TBB

A true demonstration of the scale of Minato's power lies in his foresight - and understanding/creation of the FTG...
Someone with his abilities manages to send a TBB to a safer place - not destroying the village...

Furthermore - Minato has the foresight to implant a small amount of kushina and his own essence into the RDS seal in order to aid Naruto in the future...
im pretty sure i didnt need to say all of that about minato because so many people are in love with him - but it was definitly worth it <3

Tsunade:
Tsunade is the person who implemente mediacl ninja into regular teams - she is the reason that so many ninja are still alive to fight another day!
She inherited the abilities of Yin Release techniques from her grandfather - and therefore became and extremely powerful opponent against Edo-madara - even breaking his Susano'o - an almost impossible feat...
She is truley a perfect choice for Kage - maybe not handling the paper work so well - but definitly being able to support her village where it really counted...even in comparison to the kage of other village such as mei or Garaa who lost faith in their abilities early on.
Tsunade's summons and therefore mass healing also compliments her abilities and enables her to be reinforced as a truley strong opponent - and DEFINITLY stronger than that of Tobirama...
Did i mention she was trained by the 3rd Hokage making her a SANNIN - and ONE of the STRONGEST ninja of ALL TIME!?
Tobirama hasnt had to deal with half the crap that Tsunade has in her time as Kage - INCLUDING the war! :sy:


To my knowledge - all Tobirama did was aid = not even major role = Hashi with creation of leaf...Create the Edo - which is causing endless problems this far into the series - and (as powerscaling is lessened in Part 1) - create water from nothing - which is a little feat for some ninja...


let the thread die - atleast read like the first 30 comments - admitted there wasn't grounds for my arguement but there isnt necesarily grounds to prove 100% against it either

with all do respect...**** YOU TOBIRAMA IS GOD

 

[Renon]

so ignorance is your basis. we dont know anything about him, so we cant judge his position as Hokage

well for argument sake I don't necessarily believe in the OP but the Gold and Silver Brothers,apparently beat the shit out of Tobirama to the point he almost died..

Tobirama died while trying to be a decoy.. from some 20 unnamed cloud ninja.. but I have no idea how strong or who they were exactly so that could be left up for debate.. but honestly if he was really a great Hokage or had some tactical abilities would it be far fetched to believe he could have found an alternative.. just saying.

 

[The Western Wheel]

space time user yes (but which timespace and how advanced what it?) --- but technically could be combatted by every other kage - not a master of edo - unlike oro and kabuto - we never even SAW tobi use Edo, he created it - didnt master it...

Also can u please reference the manga page where Tobi uses ONE sign to use a tech that requires 18 for others -- and please make sure its the EXACT same tech.

You used the same arguement for the 4th... developing a tech... not mastering it... without it, naruto would've picked up something else...

 

[Carlhens]

I cant judge bc they barely show him in the series....