Stating the Obvious - Tobirama is the Weakest Hokage!

[Mirai]

aren't you doing the same for Tsunade?? lol

Not really but your praising over a fact that cant be proven due to the knowledge of Tsunade.Yes she has alot of capabilites but you cant make Tobirama seems so weak just cause we havent seen much of him.The only time we did was in flash backs and when Orochi resurrected them.

 

[shloabsky]

If you add Danzo it would be like

Hashirama>Minato>Hiruzen>Tsunade=Tobirima>Danzo

 

[Negative Knight]

CORRECTION :

GREATEST medics know about you body inside and out ;]

Greatest water users don't =]

And also he might be a genius who created those things.. But tsunade is the one who created everything about Medical system.. and medical jutsus. =].

HEY!!! shikamaru is way smarter then INO

Lol that was the purpose of the argument, this man was the one who found a way to counter the cycle of life and death

He was able to warp both the laws of space and time

Space time ninjutsus means he can teleport even out of close calls with much effort.

With this he can summon water from anywhere on the battlefield basically overwhelming Tsunade in every way

Also think of the magnitude of his attacks then combine it with being anywhere on the battlefield at any given moment.

 

[Downforwardx]

Sorry if this is sorta poorly strung together - im a little drunk while making this thread...

Note: THIS is NOT a Hashi Vs. Hiruzen Thread - PLEASE take hate/flame ELSEWHERE

I will go in order of Hokage to signifiy each Kage's power and significance in order to prove that Tobirama is the weakest Hokage ever!

Hashirama:
Praised by madara s being legendary - Tobirama is detailed to be damaging to the landscape of the world - he has total control over different tailed beasts through his wood release technique - and further sealing techniques.
He is also known to have healing abilities as Madara mentions that Tsunade's Yin release technique is very similair to that of Hashirama's healing abilities...
The wood release is a unique abilitiy that makes Hashirama> Tobirama...

Hiruzen:
Praised as the god of shinobi - Hiruzen's knowledge of ninjutsu and abilities are surpassed by few (not a hashi vs hiruzen thread!!) - he was able to take on Oro + 1st + 2nd all at the same time - and if they had not of been Edo - he would have taken them out through...even something as small as a paper bomb.
How an old man - not in his prime - managed to take out two former Hokage's + oro is totally beyond my understanding but somehow he managed it - albiet by the exchange for his life through RDS (and his trump card)...
IF hiruzen had been at prime - he would have had a much easier time - being able to combat edo with his shadow clones - the observing anbu, hiruzens summon, and even hiruzen admit to this.
This is true demonstration of his power and deserves note!

Minato:
Minato is ultimately a baw5
He creates the Rasengan, FTG, and much MUCH more - (RDS) - he also takes down the 9 tails and manages to save the village through that. He takes on Tobi headon - and seems to do it pretty easily with his Time space (even after admitting the other was more advanced) - and uses his FTG to the full effect...
Rasengan - a technique used further by his son - is further developed into an awesome technique - the Rasenshuriken - an ability which would definitly not have been created if not for minato.
Since the rasengan was based on the TBB naruto would have also not learned how to harness the ability of the TBB with Kurama - and access the ability of both negative and positive forms of chakra for the TBB

A true demonstration of the scale of Minato's power lies in his foresight - and understanding/creation of the FTG...
Someone with his abilities manages to send a TBB to a safer place - not destroying the village...

Furthermore - Minato has the foresight to implant a small amount of kushina and his own essence into the RDS seal in order to aid Naruto in the future...
im pretty sure i didnt need to say all of that about minato because so many people are in love with him - but it was definitly worth it <3

Tsunade:
Tsunade is the person who implemente mediacl ninja into regular teams - she is the reason that so many ninja are still alive to fight another day!
She inherited the abilities of Yin Release techniques from her grandfather - and therefore became and extremely powerful opponent against Edo-madara - even breaking his Susano'o - an almost impossible feat...
She is truley a perfect choice for Kage - maybe not handling the paper work so well - but definitly being able to support her village where it really counted...even in comparison to the kage of other village such as mei or Garaa who lost faith in their abilities early on.
Tsunade's summons and therefore mass healing also compliments her abilities and enables her to be reinforced as a truley strong opponent - and DEFINITLY stronger than that of Tobirama...
Did i mention she was trained by the 3rd Hokage making her a SANNIN - and ONE of the STRONGEST ninja of ALL TIME!?
Tobirama hasnt had to deal with half the crap that Tsunade has in her time as Kage - INCLUDING the war! :sy:


To my knowledge - all Tobirama did was aid = not even major role = Hashi with creation of leaf...Create the Edo - which is causing endless problems this far into the series - and (as powerscaling is lessened in Part 1) - create water from nothing - which is a little feat for some ninja...
Ultimately Tobirama has done little to be deserving of the role 'kage' in comparison to every other person in that role...He was an inventor - but not anything as special as every other Kage...Making him the weakest Kage overall...

You also have very little information on Tobirama. He may be much more "baus" then you think. And most likely is. He wouldn't have been hokage otherwise. I think he is much stronger than Tsunade.

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol that was the purpose of the argument, this man was the one who found a way to counter the cycle of life and death

He was able to warp both the laws of space and time

Space time ninjutsus means he can teleport even out of close calls with much effort.

With this he can summon water from anywhere on the battlefield basically overwhelming Tsunade in every way

Also think of the magnitude of his attacks then combine it with being anywhere on the battlefield at any given moment.

Well SAge of 6 paths already controlled life and death ;p MUAHAHHAHA.

Also it depends on his S/T jutsu.. if its like Minato's then he can get messed up if its like Tobi then he can still get messed up..

He can summon a water dragon yes.. but when he teleports POOF goes the water MUAHAHHA.

And also your underestimating Tsunade because shes not a "fighter".
But you forget the fact that if Tobirama gets hit once he gets fatally injured and also tsunade has medical ninjutsu's im pure of..

Plus if you give tsunade time prepare.. she'll probably make a poison.. ;x.


(this is me saying how tsunade would beat Tobirama , Just for fun ) xD

 

[IzunaUchiha2]

Nice bro

 

[Downforwardx]

If you add Danzo it would be like

Hashirama>Minato>Hiruzen>Tsunade=Tobirima>Danzo

There is a lack of info on tobirama. Probably more like...
Hashirama> Tobirama> Minato> Hiruzen> Tsunade> Danzo "the nub"

Plus it's hard to try and rate people from different times/era's. There has always been this theme in which " the younger generation will become stronger than the older." Which doesn't seem to hold up except with maybe naruto and sasuke.

If anything the list should be flip-flopped. But for some reason Madara and Hashirama or more god like then anyone in the present time.

 

[Hipster Madara]

There is a lack of info on tobirama. Probably more like...
Hashirama> Tobirama> Minato> Hiruzen> Tsunade> Danzo "the nub"

Plus it's hard to try and rate people from different times/era's. There has always been this theme in which " the younger generation will become stronger than the older." Which doesn't seem to hold up except with maybe naruto and sasuke.

If anything the list should be flip-flopped. But for some reason Madara and Hashirama or more god like then anyone in the present time.

because they are awesome xd

 

[Downforwardx]

because they are awesome xd

They are pretty cool. (hashi is cooler.)

But wouldn't it be truly awesome if someone younger like idk...maybe all the character they took time to develop in naruto would beat them.

Maybe shino can finally do something. Who knows maybe Madara is afraid of bugs.

 

[Negative Knight]

Lol King Hashirama

Thanks for comparing Tobirama with the Sage of the 6 Paths, that can only help my argument lol

Strongest Water user ever, loses to his grand niece who can't even use a element lol

Teleportation is really being underrated btw i think Tobi's version is exclusive to him so he has the minato version most likely

Teleporation is the equivalent of being everywhere at once

How can Tsunade being a close range fighter combat someone so she'll eventually exhaust herself trying catch him, she needs some sort of long range attack method

Without a long range attacking method she can't win, at all

 

[ShiroT]

so your saying - just Tsunade - even with yin release which makes her practically INVINSIBLE for as long as her stored chakra will last...yeah ok...im sure that someone such as 2nd hokage - with limited range of moves can totally trump an almost unkillable woman with unstoppable strength...

its like u've never met a woman on her period :sy:

she can be killed, can she regenerate a limb or even her head?

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

you know you remind me of people who are "know it all " attitude ..
(Once again...you ASSUME you know my type...im not a "type" lol)
And im trying to spice this thread up.(for what?....tobirama is stronger than tsunade..and there is less to use in this argument because we didnt see all of tobiramas move set..) Need good arguements. Everyone who says Tobirama is stronger provides no good arguements.. Besides NEGATIVEKNIGHT ;]. And how did i ignore it if i just recognized it.. :sy:

Heh....LAST time i checked.....NegativeKnight is on the side im on....AND hes a NB friend( ) of mine so it really isnt an issue if he wants to debate you...i actually might of even been on the side of tsunades but looking back i prolly shouldnt have lol

anyways...your logic behind darui having help is pretty dumb considering darui watched his friends get sucked in that gourd...then he was alone...and the zetsu came to help the gold and silver brothers...i GUESS he had help too then regardless...
so no darui did survive the gold and silver brothers just like tobirama..that was ONLY my point i was focusing on at that time....it didnt matter to me if it was to the death or whatever you call darui Vs Gold&Silver...which was to the death because they were easily trying to kill darui...:shrug:

 

[Akatsuki wise guy]

I beleive he is the weakest as well he had the raikage's help and still got beat up by the kin-gin bro's while darui beat one of them. Tsunade>tobirama!

 

[KingHashirama]

Lol King Hashirama

Thanks for comparing Tobirama with the Sage of the 6 Paths, that can only help my argument lol

Strongest Water user ever, loses to his grand niece who can't even use a element lol

Teleportation is really being underrated btw i think Tobi's version is exclusive to him so he has the minato version most likely

Teleporation is the equivalent of being everywhere at once

How can Tsunade being a close range fighter combat someone so she'll eventually exhaust herself trying catch him, she needs some sort of long range attack method

Without a long range attacking method she can't win, at all

LOL. nooo. you said he was the first one.. But SO6P already had that power ;p

Also Strongest water User looses to the Grand neice that can **** up the grand uncle with one punch ;x.

Teleportation is actually being overrated bro.. Thats the only reason people think Minato > Hashirama. x-x

And also if its like Minato's then She just has to know Where the seals are. ^.^ But minato's was more advance. PLUS its not that hard to be a S/T user ;p

 

[Negative Knight]

LOL. nooo. you said he was the first one.. But SO6P already had that power ;p

Also Strongest water User looses to the Grand neice that can **** up the grand uncle with one punch ;x.

Teleportation is actually being overrated bro.. Thats the only reason people think Minato > Hashirama. x-x

And also if its like Minato's then She just has to know Where the seals are. ^.^ But minato's was more advance. PLUS its not that hard to be a S/T user ;p

Exactly her punches are fatal but teleporting anywhere means she can't do shit

He can also fly on water meaning even if she does figure out his teleportation jutsu then he'll be long range for the entire battle. From that range he can create waterfalls to simply drown Tsunade while she wallows in the mud and he's in the sky.

Also it is very difficult being a S/T user

Minato, Tobi and Tobirama were all geniuses of their generation and only known people who use S/T

Overall Tsunade's lack of elemental ninjutsu and long range attacks makes her a very very bad match up for Tobirama knowning he can fly and use S/T

 

[KingHashirama]

Heh....LAST time i checked.....NegativeKnight is on the side im on....AND hes a NB friend( ) of mine so it really isnt an issue if he wants to debate you...i actually might of even been on the side of tsunades but looking back i prolly shouldnt have lol

anyways...your logic behind darui having help is pretty dumb considering darui watched his friends get sucked in that gourd...then he was alone...and the zetsu came to help the gold and silver brothers...i GUESS he had help too then regardless...
so no darui did survive the gold and silver brothers just like tobirama..that was ONLY my point i was focusing on at that time....it didnt matter to me if it was to the death or whatever you call darui Vs Gold&Silver...which was to the death because they were easily trying to kill darui...:shrug:

Sir using the Tools of the Sage of 6paths and sealing someone does not = fighting someone till death. (no sealing).

And thats good hes your friend. =].

And plus theres not enough info on the Second Hokage vs Ginkaku and Kinkaku fight ^.^ .

But Darui vs the Golden and Silver brothers was ok fight. not really that epic. =] that is the point here

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

so your saying - just Tsunade - even with yin release which makes her practically INVINSIBLE for as long as her stored chakra will last...yeah ok...im sure that someone such as 2nd hokage - with limited range of moves can totally trump an almost unkillable woman with unstoppable strength...

its like u've never met a woman on her period :sy:

I mean ....woman on their period are moody...not bitches...also,this has NOTHING to do with this thread ...(eww...periods LOL)...and no....tsunades seal does not make her "invisible" NOR "INVINCIBLE" ...it just makes her HARDER to kill than it already normally was....she can still be killed.

 

[enditallsin]

yea..HELL NO! tobirama? hmmm...lets see he has edo tensei,hes a skilled space time ninjutsu user,and his sword of the thunder god that he mastered despite of its lethal nature opposing his own, plus the highest level water techniques in the series, you tell me of another ninja who can take a water technique that originally required 42 hand seals and use it with a single hand seal in a place with absolutely no water,and to top it all off he was a extremely power genjutsu user, what you taking the weakest kage? no sir whats obvious here is that your wrong.

 

[6pathofpain]

Sorry if this is sorta poorly strung together - im a little drunk while making this thread...

Note: THIS is NOT a Hashi Vs. Hiruzen Thread - PLEASE take hate/flame ELSEWHERE

I will go in order of Hokage to signifiy each Kage's power and significance in order to prove that Tobirama is the weakest Hokage ever!

Hashirama:
Praised by madara s being legendary - Tobirama is detailed to be damaging to the landscape of the world - he has total control over different tailed beasts through his wood release technique - and further sealing techniques.
He is also known to have healing abilities as Madara mentions that Tsunade's Yin release technique is very similair to that of Hashirama's healing abilities...
The wood release is a unique abilitiy that makes Hashirama> Tobirama...

Hiruzen:
Praised as the god of shinobi - Hiruzen's knowledge of ninjutsu and abilities are surpassed by few (not a hashi vs hiruzen thread!!) - he was able to take on Oro + 1st + 2nd all at the same time - and if they had not of been Edo - he would have taken them out through...even something as small as a paper bomb.
How an old man - not in his prime - managed to take out two former Hokage's + oro is totally beyond my understanding but somehow he managed it - albiet by the exchange for his life through RDS (and his trump card)...
IF hiruzen had been at prime - he would have had a much easier time - being able to combat edo with his shadow clones - the observing anbu, hiruzens summon, and even hiruzen admit to this.
This is true demonstration of his power and deserves note!

Minato:
Minato is ultimately a baw5
He creates the Rasengan, FTG, and much MUCH more - (RDS) - he also takes down the 9 tails and manages to save the village through that. He takes on Tobi headon - and seems to do it pretty easily with his Time space (even after admitting the other was more advanced) - and uses his FTG to the full effect...
Rasengan - a technique used further by his son - is further developed into an awesome technique - the Rasenshuriken - an ability which would definitly not have been created if not for minato.
Since the rasengan was based on the TBB naruto would have also not learned how to harness the ability of the TBB with Kurama - and access the ability of both negative and positive forms of chakra for the TBB

A true demonstration of the scale of Minato's power lies in his foresight - and understanding/creation of the FTG...
Someone with his abilities manages to send a TBB to a safer place - not destroying the village...

Furthermore - Minato has the foresight to implant a small amount of kushina and his own essence into the RDS seal in order to aid Naruto in the future...
im pretty sure i didnt need to say all of that about minato because so many people are in love with him - but it was definitly worth it <3

Tsunade:
Tsunade is the person who implemente mediacl ninja into regular teams - she is the reason that so many ninja are still alive to fight another day!
She inherited the abilities of Yin Release techniques from her grandfather - and therefore became and extremely powerful opponent against Edo-madara - even breaking his Susano'o - an almost impossible feat...
She is truley a perfect choice for Kage - maybe not handling the paper work so well - but definitly being able to support her village where it really counted...even in comparison to the kage of other village such as mei or Garaa who lost faith in their abilities early on.
Tsunade's summons and therefore mass healing also compliments her abilities and enables her to be reinforced as a truley strong opponent - and DEFINITLY stronger than that of Tobirama...
Did i mention she was trained by the 3rd Hokage making her a SANNIN - and ONE of the STRONGEST ninja of ALL TIME!?
Tobirama hasnt had to deal with half the crap that Tsunade has in her time as Kage - INCLUDING the war! :sy:


To my knowledge - all Tobirama did was aid = not even major role = Hashi with creation of leaf...Create the Edo - which is causing endless problems this far into the series - and (as powerscaling is lessened in Part 1) - create water from nothing - which is a little feat for some ninja...
Ultimately Tobirama has done little to be deserving of the role 'kage' in comparison to every other person in that role...He was an inventor - but not anything as special as every other Kage...Making him the weakest Kage overall...

WOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAA! thw 2nd is the 3rd strongest kage by my count

 

[KingHashirama]

Exactly her punches are fatal but teleporting anywhere means she can't do shit

He can also fly on water meaning even if she does figure out his teleportation jutsu then he'll be long range for the entire battle. From that range he can create waterfalls to simply drown Tsunade while she wallows in the mud and he's in the sky.

Also it is very difficult being a S/T user

Minato, Tobi and Tobirama were all geniuses of their generation and only known people who use S/T

Overall Tsunade's lack of elemental ninjutsu and long range attacks makes her a very very bad match up for Tobirama knowning he can fly and use S/T

Well according to Narutopedia She is presumed to have lightnening Release ;p


And also Tsunade also has S/T jutsu (just found this out).

Also are you forgetting Katsuyu?? muahahahah. you already know Tobirama is in BIG TROUBLE.

And also It depends on how advance Tobirama's S/T jutsu is.

"Jiraiya commented that no one could stand equal to her in terms of combat and medical prowess."

Also She intercepted all of Madara's fire bullets and blasted them away ;x

And also she can survive a Yasaka Magatama by Madara from point blank with 0 damage. LOL. ;x SHE IS OP!!.