Stating the Obvious - Tobirama is the Weakest Hokage!

[Omnislash X SageMode]

He had plenty of help.. and this was not a to death battle ;p

well his two partners wernt much help if thats what your thinking...also i would say the zetsu helped the gold and silver brothers as well (Flaw?)
It was still a very big feat in which we shouldnt ignore...you just did....at this point i could care less...tobirama isnt weaker than tsunade...so if your assuming im on that side of the argument then NO!..on to the next on.....:sy:
and if YOU think tsunade is stronger than tobirama.....On to the next one...:sy:

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

grats bro, u can copy and paste - doesnt prove anything

It proves everything you dumb****
The thread was posted to undermine the second i pulled info from the wiki
to prove how strong and important he is to the series.
For what purpose or point you are trying to prove with your little interjection i have no idea.I don't even have anything to say to that.
The only thing your stating with this thread is your ignorance to logic and helpful information.

 

[Negative Knight]

Medics heal damage

Greatest Water Users deal damage

Tobirama is the master of the water Element and he's a genius who created S/T and Edo Tensei meaning he is probably able to outsmart Tsunade

This is like Ino vs Shikamaru (the intelligence difference is the same)

 

[Οdin]

no one does, so why are people always saying that is the strongest kage after tobirama

I don't say stuff like that. I actually don't even debate when it comes to Tobirama.

 

[KingHashirama]

well his two partners wernt much help if thats what your thinking...also i would say the zetsu helped the gold and silver brothers as well (Flaw?)
It was still a very big feat in which we shouldnt ignore...you just did....at this point i could care less...tobirama isnt weaker than tsunade...so if your assuming im on that side of the argument then NO!..on to the next on.....:sy:
and if YOU think tsunade is stronger than tobirama.....On to the next one...:sy:

you know you remind me of people who are "know it all " attitude ..

And im trying to spice this thread up. Need good arguements. Everyone who says Tobirama is stronger provides no good arguements.. Besides NEGATIVEKNIGHT ;]. And how did i ignore it if i just recognized it.. :sy:

 

[slaton02]

your an idiot tobirama is a senju he know a ton of jutsu's like his brother hashi. edo tensei, teleporting, 1 handed water seals, massive water tech without the need of water source, probably sealing jutsu (senju specialty) and lots more we haven't seen.

 

[Mirai]

Just cause we havent seen much of Tobirama dont mean you have to underrate him so much :sy: Tobirama was probably the 3rd strongist Hokage in existance.Hiruzen was taught by both Hashirama and Tobirama.It was never stated that Hiruzen had surpass them.Minato may beat him due to FTG.Tsunade xd hahaha just cause she can hit hard and Yin seal dosent make her that strong.

 

[Omnislash X SageMode]

Indeed

it goes
Hashirama>Minato>Hiruzen>Tobirama>Tsunade

Couldnt have said it better mah self!!!

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[asad70ful]

here comes tobirama hater
first this

*Sigh* You don't know shit about Tobirama. stfu

then this

Space time user, edo tensei master, water release master with enough chakra control to use one hand sign for a tech that takes over 18 for other water style masters.

this explains summary about tobirama

 

[KingHashirama]

Medics heal damage

Greatest Water Users deal damage

Tobirama is the master of the water Element and he's a genius who created S/T and Edo Tensei meaning he is probably able to outsmart Tsunade

This is like Ino vs Shikamaru (the intelligence difference is the same)

CORRECTION :

GREATEST medics know about you body inside and out ;]

Greatest water users don't =]

And also he might be a genius who created those things.. But tsunade is the one who created everything about Medical system.. and medical jutsus. =].

HEY!!! shikamaru is way smarter then INO

 

[KingHashirama]

here comes tobirama hater
first this



then this


this explains summary about tobirama

to bad his edo tensei was incomplete??

 

[~Dream~]

Cascade, I AGREE with you. 100% of what you said is agreeable for me.Tobirama is the weakest hokage although I think you should know bro, is that it's because Kishi hasnt told much about him and showed much about him. Am I right? xd

 

[KingHashirama]

Just cause we havent seen much of Tobirama dont mean you have to underrate him so much :sy: Tobirama was probably the 3rd strongist Hokage in existance.Hiruzen was taught by both Hashirama and Tobirama.It was never stated that Hiruzen had surpass them.Minato may beat him due to FTG.Tsunade xd hahaha just cause she can hit hard and Yin seal dosent make her that strong.

aren't you doing the same for Tsunade?? lol

 

[shloabsky]

1.She can punch through water walls
2.Regenerate any damage done to her body
3. 1 direct hit can either KILL or COMPLETLY HADICAP(lightning attack) an enemy
4.SUMMON-that can spit Acid,Tank Pains Ultimate Attack,can create an army
5.Can break out of most Genjutsus

how is Tobirima going to beat her?

 

[DeadManWonderLand]

Just cause we havent seen much of Tobirama dont mean you have to underrate him so much :sy: Tobirama was probably the 3rd strongist Hokage in existance.Hiruzen was taught by both Hashirama and Tobirama.It was never stated that Hiruzen had surpass them.Minato may beat him due to FTG.Tsunade xd hahaha just cause she can hit hard and Yin seal dosent make her that strong.

See you get it,for some reason when people do not have as much information on somebody in the series they somehow get that confused with being weak.
It makes no sense to make up information simply because there is a lack thereof.
Not knowing something about something does not make them weaker then someone you know more about the fact i had to point that out clearly calls your brains capacity for information into question.

 

[Retsu]

Tobirama was said to be a water master, and was pretty much second in command after Hashirama, and he could use the water dragon jutsu with one sign, whereas I believe for everyone else it's 44, furthermore he could use that in combination with his teleportation, which he created before Minato, and even created edo tensei.

When you combine all these into one person, quite frankly it's OP, he could even sense ppl by touching the ground, something else handed down to Minato. The fact that Tobirama pioneered a lot of techs that we see high level ninjas use, speaks volumes imho, about how versatile a ninja he can be, he's definitely not the weakest hokage, far from it.

 

[Hipster Madara]

1.She can punch through water walls
2.Regenerate any damage done to her body
3. 1 direct hit can either KILL or COMPLETLY HADICAP(lightning attack) an enemy
4.SUMMON-that can spit Acid,Tank Pains Ultimate Attack,can create an army
5.Can break out of most Genjutsus

how is Tobirima going to beat her?

Tobirama uses edo tensei and tsunade has no sealing abilities.
she gets pwned xd

 

[slaton02]

When you look at tobirama's hype he's probably stronger than minato, think about it. He has counters for everything minato has.

 

[immortal sage]

It pissis me off that some think he is weak because the gold and silver bros first off it was an ambush meaning there were more shinobi involved and they had six tails each and if he was left near death but didn't die that means he defeated them even Thoe they had 6 tails sages weapons others to help in the ambush and element of surprise that's more than alot of kage level shinobi could do

 

[AWSUM SID]

Sorry if this is sorta poorly strung together - im a little drunk while making this thread...

Note: THIS is NOT a Hashi Vs. Hiruzen Thread - PLEASE take hate/flame ELSEWHERE

I will go in order of Hokage to signifiy each Kage's power and significance in order to prove that Tobirama is the weakest Hokage ever!

Hashirama:
Praised by madara s being legendary - Tobirama is detailed to be damaging to the landscape of the world - he has total control over different tailed beasts through his wood release technique - and further sealing techniques.
He is also known to have healing abilities as Madara mentions that Tsunade's Yin release technique is very similair to that of Hashirama's healing abilities...
The wood release is a unique abilitiy that makes Hashirama> Tobirama...

Hiruzen:
Praised as the god of shinobi - Hiruzen's knowledge of ninjutsu and abilities are surpassed by few (not a hashi vs hiruzen thread!!) - he was able to take on Oro + 1st + 2nd all at the same time - and if they had not of been Edo - he would have taken them out through...even something as small as a paper bomb.
How an old man - not in his prime - managed to take out two former Hokage's + oro is totally beyond my understanding but somehow he managed it - albiet by the exchange for his life through RDS (and his trump card)...
IF hiruzen had been at prime - he would have had a much easier time - being able to combat edo with his shadow clones - the observing anbu, hiruzens summon, and even hiruzen admit to this.
This is true demonstration of his power and deserves note!

Minato:
Minato is ultimately a baw5
He creates the Rasengan, FTG, and much MUCH more - (RDS) - he also takes down the 9 tails and manages to save the village through that. He takes on Tobi headon - and seems to do it pretty easily with his Time space (even after admitting the other was more advanced) - and uses his FTG to the full effect...
Rasengan - a technique used further by his son - is further developed into an awesome technique - the Rasenshuriken - an ability which would definitly not have been created if not for minato.
Since the rasengan was based on the TBB naruto would have also not learned how to harness the ability of the TBB with Kurama - and access the ability of both negative and positive forms of chakra for the TBB

A true demonstration of the scale of Minato's power lies in his foresight - and understanding/creation of the FTG...
Someone with his abilities manages to send a TBB to a safer place - not destroying the village...

Furthermore - Minato has the foresight to implant a small amount of kushina and his own essence into the RDS seal in order to aid Naruto in the future...
im pretty sure i didnt need to say all of that about minato because so many people are in love with him - but it was definitly worth it <3

Tsunade:
Tsunade is the person who implemente mediacl ninja into regular teams - she is the reason that so many ninja are still alive to fight another day!
She inherited the abilities of Yin Release techniques from her grandfather - and therefore became and extremely powerful opponent against Edo-madara - even breaking his Susano'o - an almost impossible feat...
She is truley a perfect choice for Kage - maybe not handling the paper work so well - but definitly being able to support her village where it really counted...even in comparison to the kage of other village such as mei or Garaa who lost faith in their abilities early on.
Tsunade's summons and therefore mass healing also compliments her abilities and enables her to be reinforced as a truley strong opponent - and DEFINITLY stronger than that of Tobirama...
Did i mention she was trained by the 3rd Hokage making her a SANNIN - and ONE of the STRONGEST ninja of ALL TIME!?
Tobirama hasnt had to deal with half the crap that Tsunade has in her time as Kage - INCLUDING the war! :sy:


To my knowledge - all Tobirama did was aid = not even major role = Hashi with creation of leaf...Create the Edo - which is causing endless problems this far into the series - and (as powerscaling is lessened in Part 1) - create water from nothing - which is a little feat for some ninja...
Ultimately Tobirama has done little to be deserving of the role 'kage' in comparison to every other person in that role...He was an inventor - but not anything as special as every other Kage...Making him the weakest Kage overall...

If tobirama was good enough to be hokage then he must have been insanely strong. remember tsunade was never the choice for being hokage until jiraiya referred her. Tobirama trained with hashi so it goes without saying that he is highly skilled. He is strong enough to take on hiruzen, tsunade and minato in a 1v1 fight and win( hiruzen being the only exception)