Umari Senju
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I really need to watch battle of the gods. I know who Gogeta is (filler or not) but I have no idea of This God Goku and his abilities XD
SSJ God Goku vs SSJ4 Gogeta
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Son Wukong
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Akira has already stated that, despite GT and some movies not being cannon, he has already accepted SSJ4 as part of the Super Saiyan line and Gogeta as an accepted DB character. Hell, Akira even hinted at Gogeta in the Buu Arc, as some may remember since after Vegito was absorbed, split back into Vegeta and Goku and Potara Earrings destroyed, Goku offered the idea of using the Fusion Dance to defeat Buu, but Vegeta declined as he did not want to fuse with Goku again.
As for power levels, Beerus has a power level of roughly 2.2 billion, some reports say he even tops out at 2.5 billion. Akira himself said, on a scale of 1-10, Beerus would be a 10, as well as being the most powerful non-fused character in DBZ. He than stated SSJ God Goku in comparison would be around a 6, making Goku 40% less powerful than Beerus, putting SSJG Goku at roughly 1.35-1.5 Billion, depending on Beerus being in the 2.2-2.5 billion. That means SSJG Goku is pretty damn powerful, however...
Akira accepted the SSJ4 into the Super Saiyan line as I stated above. Using Goku's power at SSJ4, that puts Goku at 1.5 Billion. We know that because of Goku's base power level is 3 million. That's his resting power, as he walks around, so hopefully no one gets their panties in a knot. Of course Goku can power up to 50, 80, even 120 million. However, when he hits the 50x mark, he turns into SSJ 1, putting him at 150 million in power. Since again, SSJ4 is accepted by Akira, SSJ4 multiplies SSJ1 by 10x, putting SSJ4 Goku at a power level of 1.5 billion. So if Goku alone at SSJ4 matches his power in God mode, I would assume SSJ4 Gogeta to be much more powerful. How much, we'll use Akira's officially stated power level of SSJ1 Gogeta, which is 2.5 billion. That means SSJ1 Gogeta is not only stronger than SSJ God Goku, but it's also on par with Beerus himself! However, you asked for SSJ4 Gogeta vs God Goku, so that would be simple math. Since we know SSJ Gogeta is at 2.5 billion and SSJ4 multiplies SSJ1 by 10x, that would put SSJ4 Gogeta at a whopping 25 billion in power. However, some still refuse to accept SSJ4 as canon, so let's use SSJ3 instead which multiplies SSJ by 8x, putting SSJ3 Gogeta at 20 billion, still far exceeding God Goku and Beerus.
TL;DR - SSJ4 Gogeta at 25 billion > SSJ3 Gogeta at 20 billion > Beerus at 2.2-2.5 billion > SSJ God Goku at 1.35-1.5 billion
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They're the strongest non-fused characters. Beerus also stated there are other gods, gods far more powerful than himself out there. How do we expect SSJG God to defeat them if he couldn't even defeat Beerus? I know, maybe god form of fused characters, trump cards for the DB Team. Even though Akira accepted SSJ4 into the line, it doesn't seem he'll be inclined to ever use the form itself. Seeing God form has red hair and aura like SSJ4, that's probably his substitute for SSJ4, meaning we won't see SSJ4 Gogeta in a later movie, but rather SSJ God Gogeta.
Also, I would presume it to make sense since Akira is the one dishing out the Power Levels. He himself stated Beerus to be in the 2.2-2.5 billion range as well as stating SSJ Gogeta was at 2.5 billion, meaning any form after SSJ puts him far above that of Beerus. Reason we're not seeing Gogeta as of now is because Vegeta and Goku both hate fusing. Vegeta said it in Buu Arc when Goku offered the Fusion Dance, with Vegeta declining to never fuse again with Goku, and then with Goku saying it in Battle of the Gods movie, the fact he hates relying on other peoples powers to help win a fight, that he wish he can use just his power and his alone, aka, no help from fusion.
I'm certain down the line, when they come across a being that wishes to destroy everything Vegeta and Goku love and far exceed their powers of SSJ God form, then we'll see the return of Gogeta, and possibly at God form as well.
This post appears to be accurate and makes sense considering fusion amplifies power levels in a way that normal form increases do not. Its crazy how far the DBZ universe went in regards to power levels... its makes the logic of the series seem non existent in regard to how much a few Saiyans were able to increase their power when an entire planet of them never passed Nappa.
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Super Saiyan God Goku. If you watched the movie, Goku stated that Super Saiyan God is a stage which can he can never achieve through training. You guys need to keep in mind that Gogeta has a time limit and also, It was stated by Lord Beerus that "The thing you call " Ki", wouldn't work on me" That's because he has godly Ki.
Godly Ki is superior to ordinary Ki, Goku SSG wins. By the way, I'm a Gogeta fan.
Godly Ki is superior to ordinary Ki, Goku SSG wins. By the way, I'm a Gogeta fan.
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I'd have to disagree. SSG Goku and Beerus seem to be granted a power level, just like everyone else. Despite having what is called 'God Ki', they still fall into the category of beings with a power level. Saying someone with normal Ki can't kill a being with God Ki is comparable to a Juubi Jin not being affected by Ninjutsu. Juubi Jins might have been immune to forms of Ninjutsu, but they could still be killed. Therefore, a person with normal Ki could still defeat someone with Godly Ki if their power is great enough.
As Jonesy stated, the fact that Beerus has a power level far inferior to SSJ4 Gogeta, than Gogeta easily wins. Having a time limit is not an argument as we are talking about fights that a fighter would not hold back. Knowing he is about 10x more powerful than Beerus, Gogeta would kill him in a matter of seconds.
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Krillin said that he can't read Goku's power level, that shows us that anyone with god Ki's can't be sensed.
Its pretty much obvious that Gogeta has a way better destructive capacity. But see, Ordinary Ki won't be able to gather enough power which can damage anyone with Godly ki and the powerful Aura, as Beerus stated that ordinary Ki isn't doing shit against Godly Ki. Its a completely different stage of power.
Naruto is completely irrelevant to this.
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Haha. Dude the androids couldnt be sensed either.
Does that make them unstoppable? They have infinite energy. Nope.
SSJ4 Gogeta is by far the strongest character in existence in DBZ Canon or non Canon.
SSJG goku is cool and his power is nice, but a fusion is stronger.
Vegeto, Gogeta, and SSJ4 Gogeta are in a league of their own.
Also, based on what Frieza said in the new manga chapter beerus power might be comparable to majin buu.
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The Androids don't have ki period. That's why they couldn't be sensed. What ever power fuels them was man made by Dr. Gero.
Beerus and SSG Goku have ki that can't be comprehended by mortal standards, hence why people like krillin couldn't sense godly ki. It's beyond him.
Like some have stated, no form of Gogeta or any other type of fusion is going to be enough to take down SSG Goku, because any fusion uses normal ki, and the movie stated that ordinary ki does not work on gods like BEERUS and Super Sayian god. And sense all of Gogeta's attacks use regular ki, he'll have a hard time hurting SSG Goku who also possess godly ki.
Also Frieza never said anything about Buu's power being comparable to Beerus. He said that his father warned him to never confront them. The Battle of the gods movie pretty much proved Majin Buu is no where near Beerus's league considering both Buu and Mystic Gohan(who is stronger than normal Buu) got the ish knocked out of them within a few seconds.
SSG Goku wins
Beerus and SSG Goku have ki that can't be comprehended by mortal standards, hence why people like krillin couldn't sense godly ki. It's beyond him.
Like some have stated, no form of Gogeta or any other type of fusion is going to be enough to take down SSG Goku, because any fusion uses normal ki, and the movie stated that ordinary ki does not work on gods like BEERUS and Super Sayian god. And sense all of Gogeta's attacks use regular ki, he'll have a hard time hurting SSG Goku who also possess godly ki.
Also Frieza never said anything about Buu's power being comparable to Beerus. He said that his father warned him to never confront them. The Battle of the gods movie pretty much proved Majin Buu is no where near Beerus's league considering both Buu and Mystic Gohan(who is stronger than normal Buu) got the ish knocked out of them within a few seconds.
SSG Goku wins
Its like you ddnt even read what I posted.
Lmao but okay.
SSJ4 Goku >>>> SSJG Goku. Sorry. I know it hurts.
Regarding your statement about mystic Gohan... This "Event" with beerus happened years after majin buu. 9 or so years. Gohan was weak. Watch DBZ last 3 episodes and you'll see he's just a retired nerd. So please don't go on with that crap. He's no where near as strong as he was when he fought Buu.
Theres a reason his father warned him about Majin Buu and Beerus (There equally a threat).
So please sit down.
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Doesn't hurt at all actually. And I read what you posted and it doesn't contain anything for a rebuttal. Just your undying love for Super Saiyan 4.
Beerus and Buu are no where near each other in power. His father warned freiza because they were just weaker than either Beerus or Buu. Gohan may not have trained, but it still doesn't change the fact that both he and Goku who was arguably stronger than Gohan at the time, got punked completely by a not even serious Beerus.
How is SS4 Goku gonna beat Beerus or SSG when he uses NORMAL KI? In the DBZ verse gods like beerus can't be hurt by anything EXCEPT GODLY KI, which no form of SS4 Goku has wither fused or not. The movie made by Toriyama plainly states this. Heck Goku flat out said in the movie itself that fusion won't be enough to beat him.
Beerus has been canonically proven to be a casual galaxy buster. SS4 never showed that kind of potential. Plus GT is non cannon and has nothing to do with the main story of DBZ. So unless SS4 shows up in the next upcoming movies, it remains an inferior form to SSG in terms of power.
I'm not downing SS4, but unless he somehow gains godly ki, no amount of big bang kamehamaha's are gonna hurt beerus or ssg.
Stay rustled.