SRA Gaara VS Part 1 Kakashi

[TheLostShinobi]

Kimi kept his distance from Gaara while attacking which is why he got caught from underneath which lead him to being hit. Kakashi has seen Gaara fought twice so he knows how he fights so I don't see much of a reason for Kakashi to try the same. As long as Kakashi runs in to attack Gaara himself he'll be able to reach him.

Gaara has barely fought in the air in part one, the only he did was "fly" to only dodge Kimi's bones forest, before that he never tried to fly and attack against Kimi and that includes when Kimi went CS lvl 2 and was rushing in at him so I don't have much of a reason to think Gaara is likely to do such here. Even if I was to assume Gaara would do such an unlikely thing Gaara has no feats of actually flying through the air or dodging attacks to suggest that Kakashi can't simply jump and reach him.

This is basically what I'm trying to say, you guys are equating Gaara's shippuden feats to his younger self which you simply cannot do. Gaara showed no feats for being able to create Sand Tsunami from the air, and like Antdog said, if he could fight in the air as a kid, he would have done so when he was getting rushed by Kimimaro. He hasn't shown any of these feats = he loses.

 

[Zetsu God]

Kakashi is faster, stronger and smarter than sasuke so there's no reason he can't compete with gaara.

All bold is irrelevant. Sasuke fought a different Gaara. Counter these points:

1. Gaara is airborne and Kakashi cannot hit him.
2. Kakashi cannot avoid a desert sand burial that covers the entire area.

This is basically what I'm trying to say, you guys are equating Gaara's shippuden feats to his younger self which you simply cannot do. Gaara showed no feats for being able to create Sand Tsunami from the air, and like Antdog said, if he could fight in the air as a kid, he would have done so when he was getting rushed by Kimimaro. He hasn't shown any of these feats = he loses.

Dude wtf are you saying? I told you how Gaara doesn't need physical contact to crush the ground into sand.

Gaara also doesn't need to be touching the ground to use sand tsunami. He doesn't control the sand through physical touch, as everyone knows.

All you've done so far is argue against manga facts and make baseless assumptions.

 

[Booker]

Part 1 Kakashi was blitzing/bunshin feinting Itachi. That alone displays his speed should be enough to put pressure on SRA Gaara, and since we also know Chidori pierces Gaara's sand, Gaara eats a Raikiri to the face.

If we're going to reduce this to something as stupid as "Gaara hides in the air", then Kakashi runs away and hides until Gaara comes down. That's essentially the same thing. Obviously Kakashi can't win a match based on feats if he cannot touch his opponent.

 

[UnknownJin]

Part 1 Kakashi was blitzing/bunshin feinting Itachi. That alone displays his speed should be enough to put pressure on SRA Gaara, and since we also know Chidori pierces Gaara's sand, Gaara eats a Raikiri to the face.

If we're going to reduce this to something as stupid as "Gaara hides in the air", then Kakashi runs away and hides until Gaara comes down. That's essentially the same thing. Obviously Kakashi can't win a match based on feats if he cannot touch his opponent.

This same shitlogic was used in thread Sai vs Zabuza -

- Kakashi wins

 

[TheLostShinobi]

Part 1 Kakashi was blitzing/bunshin feinting Itachi. That alone displays his speed should be enough to put pressure on SRA Gaara, and since we also know Chidori pierces Gaara's sand, Gaara eats a Raikiri to the face.

If we're going to reduce this to something as stupid as "Gaara hides in the air", then Kakashi runs away and hides until Gaara comes down. That's essentially the same thing. Obviously Kakashi can't win a match based on feats if he cannot touch his opponent.

Let's imagine somehow Gaara can make the gigantic tsunami in the air (which I've been shown no evidence of), does Kakashi just sit there and "lol I'm dead"? If gaara dicks around in the air, Kakashi can just do the same thing on the ground. The moment Gaara touches the ground he's dead. I'm not even sure Gaara can get into the air fast enough to NOT DIE once the match starts

 

[Zetsu God]

Lol, I'll humor the people who think it's unfair for Gaara to use his best option which would be going airborne.

Part 1 Kakashi's raikiri isn't getting through this, which isn't even remotely close to the best Gaara has.

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And top Panel in this scan, Kakashi is not blitzing Gaara.

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[UnknownJin]

Lol, I'll humor the people who think it's unfair for Gaara to use his best option which would be going airborne.

Part 1 Kakashi's raikiri isn't getting through this, which isn't even remotely close to the best Gaara has.

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And top Panel in this scan, Kakashi is not blitzing Gaara.

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Kagebushin / Going underground / Genjutsu / Ninjutsu - Do you think Kakashi will just stand there and watch ? ****ing joke

 

[Zetsu God]

Kagebushin / Going underground / Genjutsu / Ninjutsu - Do you think Kakashi will just stand there and watch ? ****ing joke

I'm arguing for Gaara here bud, I'm not going to offer how Kakashi might respond. That's your job.

Also do you not see the irony in being like:

"Waaah, Gaara going airborne is a bullshit tactic."

and following with

Kakashi hides underground.

And LMAO if Kakashi did go underground, he still gets crushed by the sand, just like Kimimaro. Except he doesn't live, he gets crushed into nothing.

Hiding like a mole was probably like top 3 worst ideas for Kakashi in this.

 

[Nattana]

Kakashi opens first gate and ends this before Gaara can even get started.

 

[UnknownJin]

I'm arguing for Gaara here bud, I'm not going to offer how Kakashi might respond. That's your job.

Also do you not see the irony in being like:

"Waaah, Gaara going airborne is a bullshit tactic."

and following with

Kakashi hides underground.

And LMAO if Kakashi did go underground, he still gets crushed by the sand, just like Kimimaro. Except he doesn't live, he gets crushed into nothing.

Hiding like a mole was probably like top 3 worst ideas for Kakashi in this.

I didnt say that shit about floating in the air that u made up.... Kakashi would simply dodge that by going underground or even cast genjutsu while Gaara is thinking Kakashi is right there but its just illusiong and BAM! RAIKIRI!

 

[DrProof]

If this is honestly what you individuals believe, that Gaara with the debaters using their shown abilities, to their utmost peak wouldn't go airborne, there's no point in arguing, because that is beyond ignorant, and unintelligent.

Pt.Gaara beats Kakashi due to his capability to go airbirne, and massive aoe sand tatctics. I can't believe id even have to stress further. Someone bring KG, or FT in here to clear this nonsense up.

Sheesh.

 

[DrProof]

For God's sake it's 100m, and people are talking about Kakashi blitzing.

Kimimaro was superior, or equal to Kakashi in speed in Pt.1, yet he was tagged by every single assault.

This doesn't take that much common sense guys.

So much bias.

 

[Booker]

For God's sake it's 100m, and people are talking about Kakashi blitzing.

Kimimaro was superior, or equal to Kakashi in speed in Pt.1, yet he was tagged by every single assault.

This doesn't take that much common sense guys.

So much bias.

Dr. Proof?

More like Dr. Dumbass. Please prove that assertion.

I agree. Thus, as soon as Gaara goes airborne, Kakashi runs and hides until Gaara comes down.

 

[DrProof]

Dr. Proof?

More like Dr. Dumbass. Please prove that assertion.

I agree. Thus, as soon as Gaara goes airborne, Kakashi runs and hides until Gaara comes down.

Im not going to insult you over a Naruto discussion, deadass grow up bruh, it's about time already.

Kakashi has a 4, then a 4.5 in DB 1/2
Kimimaro has a 4.5.

Kakashi hasn't shown any notable speed feats in pt.1 to put him above Kimimaro. Pt.2? Sure, but not pt.1.

Kakashi hides till Gaara comes down? Lord have mercy. Kakashi hides from a boy with a third eye, sand that can break down the earth, and cause sinkholes 200m in depth.

Surely, Kakashi hides successfully.

 

[Booker]

Im not going to insult you over a Naruto discussion, deadass grow up bruh, it's about time already.

Kakashi has a 4, then a 4.5 in DB 1/2
Kimimaro has a 4.5.

Kakashi hasn't shown any notable speed feats in pt.1 to put him above Kimimaro. Pt.2? Sure, but not pt.1.

Kakashi hides till Gaara comes down? Lord have mercy. Kakashi hides from a boy with a third eye, sand that can break down the earth, and cause sinkholes 200m in depth.

Surely, Kakashi hides successfully.

Databook stats are absolute nonsense and are incredibly inconsistent. How much more speed is 4.5 than a 4? They're just arbitrary numbers the editors put down for a general sense of the character. They're essentially meant to give a general idea of where their skill lies *inside* their weight class. Kimmimaro is not in Kakashi's weight class.

Kakashi was Bunshin Feinting and Blitzing Itachi, proving that Part 1 Kakashi was capable of matching Itachi in combat speed (at least for a while). Meanwhile Kimmimaro couldn't tag Drunk Lee, who is slower than 4th (5th? I forget) Gate Lee. And unless Gaara's sand speed got some massive powerup from Chunnin Exam to SRA, it couldn't even keep up with 4th Gate Lee. 4th Gate Lee is not faster than kakashi (and is certainly not faster than 1st Gate Kakashi). Speedwise, Kakashi absolutely outclasses both Kimi and Gaara. It's not even close.

Yes, why wouldn't he be able to? If Gaara goes airbourne, Kakashi has more than enough speed to get the hell out of dodge and wait him out. He can even Shunshin away, then go Hiding Mole. Two can play this stupid game, obvioisly Gaara wins if he just sits in the air spamming sand while Kakashi is *forced* to stay in one area.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Im not going to insult you over a Naruto discussion, deadass grow up bruh, it's about time already.

Kakashi has a 4, then a 4.5 in DB 1/2
Kimimaro has a 4.5.

Kakashi hasn't shown any notable speed feats in pt.1 to put him above Kimimaro. Pt.2? Sure, but not pt.1.

Kakashi hides till Gaara comes down? Lord have mercy. Kakashi hides from a boy with a third eye, sand that can break down the earth, and cause sinkholes 200m in depth.

Surely, Kakashi hides successfully.

third eye can't see underground or see any better than his normal eyes for that matter and leaves him susceptible to genjutsu/hypnosis.

Not to mention kimmi slows down when using cm2

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But despite being slower garra can't dodge

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[Oblivionx]

third eye can't see underground or see any better than his normal eyes for that matter and leaves him susceptible to genjutsu/hypnosis.

Not to mention kimmi slows down when using cm2

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But despite being slower garra can't dodge

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Changing slowed kimi down till his body hadn't adapted. Clearly referring to a certain situation which didn't last long.
As for 2nd scan, that's the worst possible argument for kakashi. Gaara clearly blocked kimi, why would he dodge if he can creat a wall of sand in front of him? And gaara is not a cqc fighter, he'd obviously get demolished in cqc, and that's why he would block rather than dodge.

As for hiding underground, that's the worst thing kakashi can do. If gaara even has a general idea of area where kakashi is, he gets crushed underground. Gaara is a bad match up for part one kakashi. If gaara can fly and use even one grand scale jutsu, kakashi would lose.



@Booker, kakashi was fighting itachi a battle of wits. Intelligence plays no part here. Because if he can't get close to gaara, bunshin fainting would just prolong this battle. Itachi never engaged kakashi in a battle of speed in part 1. For all we know, kabuto managed to escape from kakashi in part 1 and was said to be his equal by jiraya. I can't see part 1 kabuto beating SRA gaara.

 

[TheLostShinobi]

As for hiding underground, that's the worst thing kakashi can do. If gaara even has a general idea of area where kakashi is, he gets crushed underground. Gaara is a bad match up for part one kakashi. If gaara can fly and use even one grand scale jutsu, kakashi would lose.

@Bold, he obviously doesn't go underground right in Gaara's ****ing face, that'd be stupid no? He runs out of Gaara and his 3rd eyes line of sight, goes underground, and waits for Gaara to come back down to the ground. He can Shunshin away with or without the First Gate opened, cast a genjutsu and then running, or even just run away on foot. Either way he's getting outta there and is going to wait for Gaara to come back down. Once he touches the ground the brat takes a Raikiri to the face =D

This a good battle tho i'd debate it

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Changing slowed kimi down till his body hadn't adapted. Clearly referring to a certain situation which didn't last long.

there's 0 proof that his body adapted, since after he got bumrushed by slow kimmi, kimmi doesn't change his position. He immediately tries his strongest spear(doesn't move for that) then goes bone forest. nor is that the point. The point being that a slower kimmi got through him. Whether or not he later gets faster doesn't change him being slower when said bum rush takes place. And this is assuming he does actually get faster, which to the best of my knowledge he did not.

As for 2nd scan, that's the worst possible argument for kakashi. Gaara clearly blocked kimi, why would he dodge if he can creat a wall of sand in front of him? And gaara is not a cqc fighter, he'd obviously get demolished in cqc, and that's why he would block rather than dodge.

raikiri is blasting through the way kimmi did. But unlike kimmi who's slower in that scan, kakashi has sharingan and first gate to assist and speed up his movements.

As for hiding underground, that's the worst thing kakashi can do. If gaara even has a general idea of area where kakashi is, he gets crushed underground. Gaara is a bad match up for part one kakashi. If gaara can fly and use even one grand scale jutsu, kakashi would lose.

quite the opposite. Gaara has no idea that he's underground, since hiding like mole doesn't leave a hole. Compiled with the fact that it gives the user complete control over the sand immediately around them one can even argue that it gives the user a free pass out of any sand burial technique but that's an argument for another time.

 

[BLAZE]

What is the max height part 1 gaara can levitate since he was still was in range of bone forest that seems to be as high as a normal tree.
If that's his max range I don't see why kakashi can't jump and reach him considering even Karin a non combat char can jump much higher height than it