[SPOILERS] Very disappointed w/ The Force Awakens

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Yo the fact the whole movie was promoted and teased as Finn being a Jedi is what got me excited again... And Im a real fan but when i realized 20 minutes in it would be rey I lost interest too many holes and too many b.s. moments imo
 

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Yo the fact the whole movie was promoted and teased as Finn being a Jedi is what got me excited again... And Im a real fan but when i realized 20 minutes in it would be rey I lost interest too many holes and too many b.s. moments imo
....Why? Also why does it matter?

Also if you paid attention to the promotion you'd see that this was clearly a red herring...and one that doesn't really affect the film in any way unless you're just against female leads or a huge...Finn fan?
 

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I totally agree and I was actually thinking about adding another bullet on that. The sparks, heat from the blades, etc were nice cosmetic touches but the fighters had no finesse, acrobatic ability, speed, or flow that we saw in previous movies. It was all just hack and slash fighting.
That was because when we saw lightsaber fights in the prequels it was between trained jedi and sith. Who were in tune with the force and had long experience and training with lightsabers. Finn didn't have as good training in melee combat, Kylo was injured, and Rey did not have much experience like Finn.
Regarding your other points:
1. Yeah, I see your point. I'm assuming they did so they can get positive bias from the audience, and it's a new saga.
2. True. They don't even show what happens to her at the end lol.
3. ok rey was quite op. Especially when she rejected Ren's advances on her mind. Maybe she got trained by Luke but had her memory wiped.
4. Kylo was suppose to look like an ordinary guy and someone who tries to be intimidating and powerful like Vader cause he didn't complete his training. He'll be more intimidating and Vader-like in the later movies. I believe we will find out why he went to the Dark Side later
5. Ren was injured. Even Finn got a hit on him even though a stormtropper beat Finn with his electric baton thing.
6. Time passes. Perhaps we will see what happened between Han and Leia.
7.
 

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That's sad. I loved it a lot. Loved the new characters and story and everything.

Well, hope you find your Star Wars fix in a comic, game, or in another movie or something.
 

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I just saw The Force Awakens today and although I really, really wanted to like this movie I just can't.

Here are my reasons:

1.) Way too much rehashing from A New Hope:
- The story starts on a desert planet just like Tatooine.
- A secret map is stored on a droid and the enemy is looking for that droid.
- Rey lives on a desert planet, comes from humble beginnings, and dresses in white, loose fit clothes just like Luke.
- The bad guys have another circular, beam firing, planet busting super weapon.
- The heroes hide inside the Millennium Falcon's smuggling compartments when captured.
- The heroes go to a sketchy bar.
- The female lead is captured and kept on the super weapon.
- A team boards the weapon to save the female lead.
- The death star III Starkiller base attempts to blow up the rebel planet.
- The rebels find an obvious flaw in the super weapon, send x-wings, and blow it up.

2.) Captain Phasma was useless
- We only see her for three brief scenes and she does absolutely nothing.

3.) Rey was too perfect
- Now before anyone overreacts, I really like Rey's character. She's tough, she's smart, and my biggest wish of her being the Jedi instead of Finn came true. What bothers me though is that she could automatically pilot the Falcon, could operate any space faring tech even though she's never been on a spacefaring ship, could speak Wookiee despite us never seeing her interact with any on her home planet, and she used the force like a pro even though she had zero training. It's not a rewarding experience to see a character achieve so much with little struggle. A main character needs to overcome losses to grow!

4.) Kylo Ren:
- He wore a mask for no practical reason like Vader needed. It was obvioisly just a tool to make him look cool.
- His resolve and connection to the dark side felt weak when compared to other Sith.
- Every time I saw his face it looked like he was about to cry.
- His design was underwhelming when compared to other sith. No dark look, no twisted features, no red eyes, etc.

5.) Rey vs Kylo Ren
- How TF does Rey kick Ren's ass so bad when she's only had a connection with the force for about an hour and has had zero training?! I call bull****. Even the most powerful force sensitive will be obliterated if they are not properly trained.

6.) Han Solo
- We all saw his death coming from a mile away.
- He dies in a rehashed fashion to Obi Wan. Someone that he cares about kills him, he dies on board the super weapon, etc.
- The story keeps moving too quickly for us to stop and mourn his death, thus we don't really feel the weight of that event.
- Him and Leia breaking up was barely explained and wasn't necessary.
- Seeing that he abandoned the rebellion to smuggle again made no sense. At the end of ROTJ he became a general who had clearly dedicated himself to the cause and was there to stay. Why would he back out again just to overcome the same anxiety a second time? We don't want to see characters overcoming the same problems they've already overcome before. It's the opposite of character progression and a complete waste of time.

7.) Luke Skywalker
- Luke departing the Resistance just to leave them hanging during their most desperate time makes no sense.
- Turned into Yoda 2.0 by choosing self exile.
- Luke should have stepped in to save Rey from Ren. This would have been a great opportunity to display his power and to avoid having Rey unrealistically spank Ren's ass

8.) Too many fan service jokes
- Way too many fan service jokes instead of trying to make new, original ones.
- The very few jokes that were original are not memorable and will not be treasured like the classic one-liners we all love.

9.) The New Order
- Why even be called the New Order when it is the exact same thing as what the empire was? They have storm troopers, tie fighters, star destroyers, two dark side users, and the same motivation of galactic rule.
It was referring to A New Hope alot because J.J Abrams himself is a Star Wars geek and wants to remind the fandom that this movie is NOT in tune with the shitty prequels, and this is more along the lines of the original trilogy. Im pretty sure the references and feeling of deja-vu will be much lesser in the next 2 films.

And Ren is a dude who's not yet a full fledged Sith lord, he's the son of Han ****ing Solo and Leia and a student of Luke Skywalker. He needs much more training and brainwashing to even come close to Vader, so he puts on his mask to look more of a Sith lord.

About Ren's fight with Rey, the man had just killed his own father, but this had just worsened his dilemma about whether he belonged to the light or dark side, and he was in no state of mind to fight anyone, let alone someone who can use the force. And Rey was merely experimenting with using the force throughout, she is faaaar from mastering it.

Luke doing nothing in the movie (and being unable to, for the most part) is actually the biggest piece of character development the dude's got in a while. Something happened to him psychologically when Ren turned to the Dark Side, and he hasn't fully recovered yet. It could be pure guilt at somehow having created the next Vader or it could be something even worse that we'll come to know in the next 2 movies.

Your complaints are mostly questions that weren't answered in this movie. That's exactly the way any filmmaker would want you to feel about the first movie in any series.

E: ABOUT HAN: Han was the character apart from Rey who I loved the most, the dude was still his own badass self after all these years. He could never just settle down with Leia, that wasnt his style. He went back to smuggling as a way to forget about his son who had turned to the dark side, and he stopped being a ****ing genereal because there was no need for the army once Vader had been defeated.
 
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I saw the movie myself finally.


I just saw The Force Awakens today and although I really, really wanted to like this movie I just can't.

Here are my reasons:

1.) Way too much rehashing from A New Hope:
- The story starts on a desert planet just like Tatooine.
- A secret map is stored on a droid and the enemy is looking for that droid.
- Rey lives on a desert planet, comes from humble beginnings, and dresses in white, loose fit clothes just like Luke.
- The bad guys have another circular, beam firing, planet busting super weapon.
- The heroes hide inside the Millennium Falcon's smuggling compartments when captured.
- The heroes go to a sketchy bar.
- The female lead is captured and kept on the super weapon.
- A team boards the weapon to save the female lead.
- The death star III Starkiller base attempts to blow up the rebel planet.
- The rebels find an obvious flaw in the super weapon, send x-wings, and blow it up.
They probably went for a remix to play on nostalgia for the old fans while introducing new characters for the new gen.

2.) Captain Phasma was useless
- We only see her for three brief scenes and she does absolutely nothing.
She probably would survive and be back in sequel. I'm not even sure if she was meant to do something special. She was just a captain who happened to be captain of the troop, from which a storm-trooper deserted.

3.) Rey was too perfect
- Now before anyone overreacts, I really like Rey's character. She's tough, she's smart, and my biggest wish of her being the Jedi instead of Finn came true. What bothers me though is that she could automatically pilot the Falcon, could operate any space faring tech even though she's never been on a spacefaring ship, could speak Wookiee despite us never seeing her interact with any on her home planet, and she used the force like a pro even though she had zero training. It's not a rewarding experience to see a character achieve so much with little struggle. A main character needs to overcome losses to grow!
Err.. did you miss that she was in fact quite familiar with the Falcon- she worked on it for that mean garbage man. She was well aware of the changes he made to it and kept pointing out what he had been doing to it. She just thought of it as an old wreck. Just like she thought jedi's to be an old myth. She seem to have a natural aptitude with the Force and relatively quick learner but she wasn't using it like a pro. She only got lucky that Kylo didn't try that hard.

She has already lost her family once - been waiting for them forever to return and surviving on her own for a long time. Met Han who was probably the first father/parent like figure in a while who died at the hand of his real son soon after. First friend a droid, second one an ex storm-trooper, currently unconscious/in coma. Already noticed by the big bad villain along with his young trainee.


4.) Kylo Ren:
- He wore a mask for no practical reason like Vader needed. It was obvioisly just a tool to make him look cool.
- His resolve and connection to the dark side felt weak when compared to other Sith.
- Every time I saw his face it looked like he was about to cry.
- His design was underwhelming when compared to other sith. No dark look, no twisted features, no red eyes, etc.
You are right about the mask- he didn't need it- they even knew who he was. But he is also at mid point in his character and it's not fully formed yet. He obviously hero worships Darth Vader hence the mask. But I would say it's also because he is hiding the "light" side of his nature/emotions behind that mask. He was alert enough to notice the stormtrooper who wasn't happy and seem to have a moment of silent convo but he didn't try to fix him right there. He understood the emotion and yet walked off. He didn't try to fight Finn that seriously in the beginning either. He was trying to talk and convert Rey on the dark side and felt a connection because of her feeling towards Han.
5.) Rey vs Kylo Ren
- How TF does Rey kick Ren's ass so bad when she's only had a connection with the force for about an hour and has had zero training?! I call bull****. Even the most powerful force sensitive will be obliterated if they are not properly trained.
He was injured and bleeding and fought two of them, one after another and yet he was not attacking them with killing instinct...Instead he told Rey he needed a teacher to harness the Force better. I think he could kill them both if he didn't drag the fight. Rey got luck on her side in the end.
6.) Han Solo
- We all saw his death coming from a mile away.
- He dies in a rehashed fashion to Obi Wan. Someone that he cares about kills him, he dies on board the super weapon, etc.
- The story keeps moving too quickly for us to stop and mourn his death, thus we don't really feel the weight of that event.
- Him and Leia breaking up was barely explained and wasn't necessary.
- Seeing that he abandoned the rebellion to smuggle again made no sense. At the end of ROTJ he became a general who had clearly dedicated himself to the cause and was there to stay. Why would he back out again just to overcome the same anxiety a second time? We don't want to see characters overcoming the same problems they've already overcome before. It's the opposite of character progression and a complete waste of time.
They blamed it both of them returning to what they used to do by themselves to deal with the loss of their son... No surprise that Kylo has so much problem handling his emotions. It's inherited from both his parents... they don't throw tantrums but while they are mature enough not to whine and oppress their disappointment, they still couldn't deal with emotions itself - jedi and siths both seem to suck at it...They need Kirabi and learn the balance better. >_>
7.) Luke Skywalker
- Luke departing the Resistance just to leave them hanging during their most desperate time makes no sense.
- Turned into Yoda 2.0 by choosing self exile.
- Luke should have stepped in to save Rey from Ren. This would have been a great opportunity to display his power and to avoid having Rey unrealistically spank Ren's ass
He is an old man- they need new generation Jedi...and teach Rey and Finn and all..
8.) Too many fan service jokes
- Way too many fan service jokes instead of trying to make new, original ones.
- The very few jokes that were original are not memorable and will not be treasured like the classic one-liners we all love.
Only time will tell but original always remains original. ( unless it's superman maybe.. the original sucked).
9.) The New Order
- Why even be called the New Order when it is the exact same thing as what the empire was? They have storm troopers, tie fighters, star destroyers, two dark side users, and the same motivation of galactic rule.
Not sure - but maybe because the line of Sith Lord was broken, changed that rule of two and what not. Vader fulfilled the prophecy and ended their empire...the Dark side also maybe rearranging and redefining itself. Besides Kylo himself is still doubtful and feeling the pull of light, wasn't even trained fully and probably not sith, at least not yet. It's really hard to say since we are seeing Kylo and his group at mid point of character development. I expect their personalities and plot to shape up more decisively in the next part.

I am not saying the movie was without it's fault and many contrived situations like- Han finding the Falcon just like that, Poe disappearing in the sand to leave Finn alone with Rey and conveniently re-appearing when he was needed back. R2-D2 suddenly reactivating and providing the map- I really hope they explain the reason even if the reason was Rey coming there with her mysteriously strong connection to Force, another part to explain if there is a reason for her affinity with it .-.

But over all I enjoyed just watching the movie. Don't be over critical; especially do NOT let fan-hype dictate your expectations and ruin it for you.
 
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It was okay movie (7/10), I do believe it was over hyped but whatever. Agree on Rey fight against Kylo, and her miraculous skill in the force and lightsaber lel. Sort of felt the movie tried too hard to connect with older star wars movies instead of standing alone and connecting subtly to the older films. Also Han abandoning Leia seemed odd, I understand that losing their son was bad but it seemed forced for the sake of plot. Same with Luke going AWOL but I'm good with his absence; Luke isn't my favorite character. I would hope part 8 is more stand alone than this one.
 

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R2-D2 suddenly reactivating and providing the map- I really hope they explain the reason even if the reason was Rey coming there with her mysteriously strong connection to Force, another part to explain if there is a reason for her affinity with it .-.
You know when Luke was shown touching R2-D2 here?

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I think he used the force to make him activate himself when the time is right and show the map.
 

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I agree with everything you've said. The Deus Ex Machina is what bothered me the most. A seasoned force user who could freeze lasers and people in space, lost to Rae, who has had no force training whatsoever......she thought the Jedi were a myth until recently. He almost got bested by Finn in a lightsaber duel who has had next to no training.

The only original arc was Finn's and even that I felt wasn't done well. If he was groomed to be a stormtrooper since he was young, then why does he have no qualities of a stormtrooper, and I mean none. He's weak, he's cowardly, he has a sense of humor? It's just too convenient for him to be so different. Also....he says "bro." I mean really?

This movie could be summed up with one word. "Convenient"

Everything was just so perfectly laid out. Rae (who's probably Luke's daughter) and Finn just happily stumble upon the Millennium Falcon out of the entire galaxy after it's been stolen? Come on.
 

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Can Stop a shot from behind by pilot dude who was in cover right after killing an old man

Can't stop a shot from the front above by chewie who was not hidden
Yeah he was kinda going through some stuff at the time man, excuse him for being momentarily distracted after having a mental breakdown and murdering his father.
 

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Yeah he was kinda going through some stuff at the time man, excuse him for being momentarily distracted after having a mental breakdown and murdering his father.
But he murdered one of his childhood mentors in the beginning and managed to stop the laser blast after.

Also there's a reason he joined the Darkside. He hardly knew Han Solo. He grew up with Luke to become a Jedi and then joined Snoke.
 

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But he murdered one of his childhood mentors in the beginning and managed to stop the laser blast after.

Also there's a reason he joined the Darkside. He hardly knew Han Solo. He grew up with Luke to become a Jedi and then joined Snoke.
Regardless the motive, we know that Kylo was coming undone during Chewbacca's shot whilst he was calm at the beginning. Hell knows why but that still stands as the reason he got shot.
 

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Well my biggest problem was him losing to Rae in the most nonsensical way.
It was a little unsatisfying. Regardless Kylo clearly has little to no practise with a saber. His being home-made shows that it's a recent thing upon joining the First Order. With so few people to fight against, it's a fanboy prop than an actual holy trained weapon. A samurai he ain't.

I feel like it's half inexperience from Kylo and half Rey being a natural / (something currently unexplained that the next film will make clear)
 

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It was a little unsatisfying. Regardless Kylo clearly has little to no practise with a saber. His being home-made shows that it's a recent thing upon joining the First Order. With so few people to fight against, it's a fanboy prop than an actual holy trained weapon. A samurai he ain't.

I feel like it's half inexperience from Kylo and half Rey being a natural / (something currently unexplained that the next film will make clear)
But he's been trained since he was young by Luke, one of the most powerful Jedi in history and Snoke (whom may possibly be Darth Plagueis).

He's shown to have advanced force powers like freezing people in space, something no one has done before. Why didn't he use the force during his battle?

He's old enough to be skilled in fighting and in the ways of the force. Jedi use the force to amplify their physical abilities like being able to move faster and hit harder.

Rae until recently thought the force was a myth and all of a sudden is able to do everything? No Jedi in history was able to do that.
 

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Are you kidding me?! It was great, unlike that unbelievably dry and rehearsed antics in the smegma smelling prequels. I'd take a bunch of floppy dicks whacking each other over those scenes any day.
Thank you! Posted about this up there earlier. The battles were a great mix between OT & PT in my opinion. Not as heavy, emotional or good as the better Vader battles obviously because it's just the first film but they were fine.

Smh at the people expecting more Mustafar video game CGI swinging chains pole dancing action
 
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