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By feats, Zoro is greater than Smoker, Sanji is roughly equal to Smoker, and Crocodile is much weaker than all of them. Shiliew is way too low since he is a Yonko FM.
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Doflamingo said explicitly that his strings don't heal him when they're stitching his organs together. They weren't repaired or restored, it's simply a plothole.
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Yepp, pretty easy to comprehend. Don't know why people are having trouble with this.
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Marco being the 1st Division Commander doesn't mean Marco is number 1 after WB and above everyone else, it just means Marco is the commander of group 1. Oda clarified this himself.
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Riker believes, "pirate king" doesn't signify "personal strength".
But ranks such as a "Yonko" , "admiral", "WSS" do.
So Garp and WB being on the same level as Roger, only makes them yonko tier.. as he believes that Roger is in the same tier as the current yonko.
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Pirate King: Title gained by the combined efforts of you and your crew to accomplish a task which seen as impossible and changes with each generation.
Admiral: Rank gained through having enormous, individual strength and sufficient degrees of leadership skills.
WSS: Title gained by being the strongest swordsman
Yonko: Title gained by being one of the four strongest pirates in the New World and having extremely potent levels of charisma and influence.
Silly me. How dare I conclude the title that can only be gained by the combined efforts of a crew people not be about personal strength. That explains why Whitebeard and Kaido were automatically given the title of Pirate King, since no one during their era as strongest things alive could reach their level of personal strength, right?
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Yes Silly you..
Admiral : A rank that you have to work from the bottom to the top for. And only way to proceed from the bottom to the top, is by having navigators/cooks and etc on your ship, who are constantly helping you capture pirates. Because I'm sure Garp and Sengoku were 1-manning pirate crews from the start right? (Don't bring up the exceptions such as Fujitora and other dude as their past is not known).
Yonko: Because Shanks and Whitebeard conquered all those territories by themselves? Not like Shanks needed a crew to even stand a chance in the grand line.. Not like Whitebeard needed a crew to take on the Pirate King's..
WSS: A title gained by training, and learning how to use the sword and eventually becoming the strongest at using the sword and the most skilled. And guess what does training require? other people. You think Zoro is going to be becoming the WSS on his own? **** no. He needed the help of the strawhats, people like Chopper who healed his ass. People like Sanji who cooked for him.. to attain that title.
Sorry but every single title in One piece, requires that individual to have "help" from others. And the title of "pirate king", just like the title of Yonko or Admiral or WSS or WSM or WSC is only given to 1 person. And that is the guy who had the balls to form a crew, defeat strong ass pirates, make sure his crew was intact, and was able to use Haki himself, and there has only been 1 person like that in the known one piece history so far.
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Except Admirals were explained to be the strongest force in the Marines. It doesn't matter how many pirates you capture, you have to be a certain degree of strength because they are the strongest military force, showing achieving the rank is directly dependent on strength.
Yonko were described as BOTH the four strongest in the NW and those who capture territories, which can't be done without strength anyways.
Yes, he will. You can only be the WSS by defeating Mihawk, who has no crew and stays alone(that alone ruins this part of your post), which can only be done if you're stronger than Mihawk. The key to becoming WSS is achieving personal strength. If Zoro beats Mihawk with the help of others, then he wouldn't be WSS.
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Just like you have to be a certain degree of strength for pirate king, because you need to defeat people such as Yonko.
The 4 strongest pirates, who have territories. Buggy is also one of the strongest pirates out there, simply due to the fact that he has strong fighters and huge numbers under his command. You think any of them will be hailed as the strongest pirate, without having fleets or allies?
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^^^^^ "most powerful", isn't limited to personal strength and doesn't reflect personal strength, simply about them being powerful, which can be attributed to their huge fleets. You can replace anyone with WB and they'd still be A yonko, due to the vast territories, and the strong ass people under them.
Unless Zoro can cook + become a doctor + navigate to find Mihawk + can train himself (And not need his Sensei or Mihawk's help in learning the sword).. he isn't becoming the WSS.. oh wait he needs all of that aka he needs people helping him out.
Did the entire crew of Roger get called the Pirate King? No.
Why is it that only known Pirate King in the manga, needed to have the strength that was equal/greater than Whitebeard's and Garp's? But you are here claiming it reflects no personal strength..
"Wealth, fame, power.
The man who had acquired everything in this world, the Pirate King, Gold Roger!"
^^^^^^^^^ That is how the title of "pirate king" was introduced as.
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Except it's possible to become PK while being weak, but you can never be Admiral by being weak.
@Bold: Nope.
That doesn't affect his progress towards WSS tho.
Roger became PK because he was the leader of the first crew to travel around the world. Never would have happened if Roger had no crew, regardless of how strong he is.
Never was it said he needed to be, it just helped him greatly.
If including strength in the intro to who the PK is means you have to be the strongest, then it also means that including wealth in the intro means you have to be the richest.
Also, did WB not also gain fame, wealth and power? Hasn't Shanks? Hasn't Kaido? Hasn't all of the Yonko? Hasn't Doflamingo? Hasn't Teach? I wonder they aren't all the Pirate Kings.
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Yes you can become Admiral despite being weak yourself. You do not need to be the strongest in the marine to become admiral. Fine example is all those who became admiral during Garp's prime.
And its possible in fan-fic.. not in One piece by Oda.
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Then you must not know what "progress" is.
has no sensei.. how does he learn the techniques of the sword? Gets no medical help.. how does he stay alive? Can't navigate... how does he travel the seas?
^^^^^ He requires help in all of those, without getting help, there is no "progress" for him. Anyone who becomes a UFC champion or any sort of a champion, or any sort of "Best at ___" has had help from others.
Just like without any crew Whitebeard wouldn't have stood a chance in the GRand line hence no yonko. Shanks wouldn't have stood a chance in the grand line.. hence no yonko title. Kaido /Big mom wouldn't have stood a chance in the grandline , hence no yonko title. But of course you are choosing to ignore all that am I right?
Especially when the most important thing needed to be called an "emperor" is to have multiple territories under yourself.
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You think Mihawk if he wasn't in the warlords would be a Yonko, simply because hes one of the strongest pirates? lol
Never was it said Yonko need personal strength.
If including "the most powerful pirates" due to the fact they have multiple territories and have strong as hell people under them, means they are the 4 strongest.. then yes it means that for the PK. As to "acquire everything in the world", requires you yourself to have huge amount of strength.
On the level of Roger? No.
You disagree? Well then thats your fight against the manga.
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I don't agree with your tier listing at all, it looks like your blowing it all out of proportion because some of these characters aren't tiers apart.
Also post ts Enel stronger than Luffy and everyone you put in his tier. Hell no, he isn't going to come back stronger than Luffy.
Also post ts Enel stronger than Luffy and everyone you put in his tier. Hell no, he isn't going to come back stronger than Luffy.
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I know what he believes.
I took the argument outside of titles and into feats. Roger Garp and wb are the only ones who could fight each other, my point was only to suggest that roger is a tier above the spot he was put in here and so is wb and Garp simply because the story says they are.
I wasn't suggesting the pirate King is in another league although I believe that by nature of the title you must be the strongest pirate to get it and stronger than any individual who seeks to capture you. In real life teamwork gets you the title of pirate King, in shonen strength gets you that title. In any case riker and I have argued about this a lot already and I didn't feel like having that debate again so I stuck to the facts.
But riker I think you keep forgetting this is shonen. And you keep saying that roger was pirate King because he sailed the grand line first but I would make the argument that you need to be the strongest in order to sail it at all simply because at the time and currently, getting their first was desired by every pirate and its the marines job to prevent that from happening. So other people are getting in the way and in order to have free access to explore and find Raftel you must be able to beat all those forces trying to stop you who want to get their first.
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You have a funny way of ignoring everything I say just to nitpick one point that you should know had nothing to do with anything you said.
But while we are on that note, saying roger is PK because he sailed the grand line is correct but it is also vastly missing the point. You cant sail the grand line unless you beat everyone else who is trying to stop you or get there first. Welcome to shonen, enjoy your stay.
BTW, your opinions on what tier the pirate king isn't fact. So I stuck with what we know about roger garp and Wb which is fact. Every argument we make is subject to our own views so instead of presenting an argument based on interpretations I presented plain fact and elaborated only as far as the facts allowed. I didn't bring it into the tier of the title pirate kings because that isnt fact, its interpretation clearly because you think one thing I everyone else thinks another and it isnt based on what happened its is based on what we think happens meant, which is subject once again to opinion.
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Even in real life you won't be getting that title without being able to rival those dudes, when you have people like Whitebeard/Garp/Sengoku/Shiki out there, who have fleets under them.
And yea same, hes stuck on "teamwork" crap, that all titles in one piece requires. But only counts it important and as the core thing for Pirate King, when titles like Admirals and Yonko need it the most.
I have many doubt in this but for starter how can you compare weeble/Jack/magallen> luffy.About many we don't know as well.If all yonko are equal then why WB is considered as king of sea(as garp said that WG has angered the king of sea) of course after roger.Their are man other question that I have but for now only this suffice.
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For you people saying that the listing is wrong just read the first damn thing I said. The list is not a comparison of strength or a ranking of strongest to weakest. The point of it is to show who is able to compete with who in a one on one match.
Most of you people are just showing ignorance on the subject matter for the sake of disagreement.
Of course each tier is stronger than the next sure but the characters inside the tiers are not placed in order according to strength. Think of them as 'roughly equal'.
As for Enel, I do think he will be on that level when he returns but obviously Luffy will be in a higher tier by that time. Goddamn.
Most of you people are just showing ignorance on the subject matter for the sake of disagreement.
Of course each tier is stronger than the next sure but the characters inside the tiers are not placed in order according to strength. Think of them as 'roughly equal'.
As for Enel, I do think he will be on that level when he returns but obviously Luffy will be in a higher tier by that time. Goddamn.
